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Bryce Baker's preferred coach, Chip Lindsey, just signed on with MI to be their OC.

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I believe he wanted to see if the new HC at UNC would retain Lindsey. Hence, his delayed signature. Belichik's son better make a damn good impression on him if he is to wind up at UNC. Either that or a whole lot of money gets thrown at him.

So, what does your gut tell you? He stays with UNC, flips to PSU, or flips to X school?
 
My gut tells me that he'll stay at NC. Why? UM doesn't need him as they signed the number one kid after flipping him from LSU for millions of dollars. PSU has Grunk who redshirted last year and really hasn't developed a starting NFL quarterback since Kerry Collins. If we are LB U, we are the antithesis if QB U. Lastly, BB will hit the ground running at NC with this NFL light college program. He is coming in unburdened by previous college coaches. He's coming in without any pretense to pretending college football has anything to do with college. Think "Prime" in Colorado. BB is coming in to make NC a feeder school to NFL fame and fortune. If you happen to get an education along the way, so be it. They will be "athlete-students" as opposed to "student-athletes". And with the new portal and NIL rules, who can argue with that? Things have changed.
 
I believe he wanted to see if the new HC at UNC would retain Lindsey. Hence, his delayed signature. Belichik's son better make a damn good impression on him if he is to wind up at UNC. Either that or a whole lot of money gets thrown at him.

So, what does your gut tell you? He stays with UNC, flips to PSU, or flips to X school?

It's not for certain but I wouldn't bet against a Belichik being able to make a good impression with regards to football.

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My gut tells me that he'll stay at NC. Why? UM doesn't need him as they signed the number one kid after flipping him from LSU for millions of dollars. PSU has Grunk who redshirted last year and really hasn't developed a starting NFL quarterback since Kerry Collins. If we are LB U, we are the antithesis if QB U. Lastly, BB will hit the ground running at NC with this NFL light college program. He is coming in unburdened by previous college coaches. He's coming in without any pretense to pretending college football has anything to do with college. Think "Prime" in Colorado. BB is coming in to make NC a feeder school to NFL fame and fortune. If you happen to get an education along the way, so be it. They will be "athlete-students" as opposed to "student-athletes". And with the new portal and NIL rules, who can argue with that? Things have changed.
Oh, I wasn't thinking of MI when I wrote "X school". If he and his parents had their hearts set on UNC before Mack got canned, it probably won't take much convincing for them to stay put. I just don't think that Belichik is the right guy for a young guy at QB.
 
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A couple of things, IMO:

Weird hire for Michigan - Moore has built that team around the idea of being run-first with strong RBs/OL. It's my understanding Lindsey is a pass-happy spread them, explosive-seeking OC. Hopefully from a personnel perspective, this take UM a bit to adjust to.

The Belicheck/UNC thing seems like such a huge risk, obviously with a big reward if it works out. The Baker family, in the limited amount I've read, seem like a very loyal/thoughtful bunch. Maybe this excites them, and the name alone adds massive intrigue, but there's a pretty known commodity out there in PSU/Franklin.

And on the note about QB development, we've taken an unwarranted hit on rep, but does it make sense? Every QB that has started under Franklin has been drafted, and how many of them were sure-fire NFL QBs when they were HS prospects? Clifford and McSorley both were drafted! Drafted! Who in their right mind, thought either of those guys were NFL QBs? Then throw in Levis and Stevens (both drafted, originally scouted/recruited by Franklin). And Allar would be a round 2/3 right now, let alone what happens when the tape of that last TD throw vs Oregon makes it's way to scouting depts. this week. And if Allar returns, I think we're talking about potential #1 QB taken in the 2026 draft after another year with Coach K.
 
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Moore just retained what Harbaugh cultivated. Looking at Lindsey's career, it stands to reason that he does well with future NFL talent and less well without it. Not an uncommon thing, but his is quite pronounced.

I think it signals a shift. They didn't bring this guy in to run Harbaugh's run heavy style. He's got a good eye for QBs. I suspect he's there to weed out the worst, bring in a portal QB (certainly they don't expect Underwood to start day 1), and develop Underwood and mold the offense around him.

No telling as far as Baker. The biggest question becomes: does BB want Baker?
 
I believe he wanted to see if the new HC at UNC would retain Lindsey. Hence, his delayed signature. Belichik's son better make a damn good impression on him if he is to wind up at UNC. Either that or a whole lot of money gets thrown at him.

So, what does your gut tell you? He stays with UNC, flips to PSU, or flips to X school?
Why would he go to Michigan after the Underwood deal?
 
My gut tells me that he'll stay at NC. Why? UM doesn't need him as they signed the number one kid after flipping him from LSU for millions of dollars. PSU has Grunk who redshirted last year and really hasn't developed a starting NFL quarterback since Kerry Collins. If we are LB U, we are the antithesis if QB U. Lastly, BB will hit the ground running at NC with this NFL light college program. He is coming in unburdened by previous college coaches. He's coming in without any pretense to pretending college football has anything to do with college. Think "Prime" in Colorado. BB is coming in to make NC a feeder school to NFL fame and fortune. If you happen to get an education along the way, so be it. They will be "athlete-students" as opposed to "student-athletes". And with the new portal and NIL rules, who can argue with that? Things have changed.
I don't think BB has any idea what he is in for. He is basically old school, who hates the press and is used to X'S and O's. College football is year round. If you are any good you have a 13-14 game season, you need to recruit high school kids year round starting when they were 15-16. Then you need to re recruit each year to keep them out of the portal, and do your own portal hunting. Then you are a spokesperson for the school. [Bill Belicheck???]

Further how good is he? Post Brady???
Brady was a prototypical drop back passer. Not so popular in college these days.

Add to that his son becomes coach in waiting. Kirk Ferentz, Bobby Bowden, Lou Holtz and some guy named Paterno just said "hold my beer". Maybe, his name keeps Baker but he is a terrible choice.
 
I don't think BB has any idea what he is in for. He is basically old school, who hates the press and is used to X'S and O's. College football is year round. If you are any good you have a 13-14 game season, you need to recruit high school kids year round starting when they were 15-16. Then you need to re recruit each year to keep them out of the portal, and do your own portal hunting. Then you are a spokesperson for the school. [Bill Belicheck???]

Further how good is he? Post Brady???
Brady was a prototypical drop back passer. Not so popular in college these days.

Add to that his son becomes coach in waiting. Kirk Ferentz, Bobby Bowden, Lou Holtz and some guy named Paterno just said "hold my beer". Maybe, his name keeps Baker but he is a terrible choice.
I agree with you. Apparently, BB showed up to his final interview with a 300-page outline of his plan. He blew the NC officials away. But I don't know where he is going to get the energy to reinvent himself.
 
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I agree with you. Apparently, BB showed up to his final interview with a 300-page outline of his plan. He blew the NC officials away. But I don't know where he is going to get the energy to reinvent himself.
Do you know anything about the personality and coaching acumen of BB's son Steve? I believe that he is currently the DC for the Washington Huskies.

If Steve is the real deal in that he can communicate, recruit and do the primary legwork responsibilities for his dad, it could work.

Not every coach's son turns out to be a Kyle Shanahan.

Lots of undefined variables in the equation as we embark on the new age of paid college football.
 
Do you know anything about the personality and coaching acumen of BB's son Steve? I believe that he is currently the DC for the Washington Huskies.

If Steve is the real deal in that he can communicate, recruit and do the primary legwork responsibilities for his dad, it could work.

Not every coach's son turns out to be a Kyle Shanahan.

Lots of undefined variables in the equation as we embark on the new age of paid college football.
I don't know much about him. He was a nepo coach hired by his dad and coached several years at NE. he apparently was let go when BB was let go and the Pats hired a new staff. He was DC at U of Washington this season. They ended up 6-5...interestingly 6-0 at home, 0-5 away. They ranked 14th in the 18 team B1G in total defense. They play Louisville in the Sun Bowl on 12/31.
 
I don't think BB has any idea what he is in for. He is basically old school, who hates the press and is used to X'S and O's. College football is year round. If you are any good you have a 13-14 game season, you need to recruit high school kids year round starting when they were 15-16. Then you need to re recruit each year to keep them out of the portal, and do your own portal hunting. Then you are a spokesperson for the school. [Bill Belicheck???]
One of the reports I saw was that BB has a list of things he doesn't want to do, and it includes most things that aren't directly related to on-field coaching. For example, he's not interested in recruiting visits and wants others to handle NIL, even when talking with the players. He has never been known as a great relationship builder, so the theory is that he will offer NFL preparation at a level so much higher than other HCs that nothing else will really matter. The best I can say for that idea is that if anyone can make it work, it may be him.
 
One of the reports I saw was that BB has a list of things he doesn't want to do, and it includes most things that aren't directly related to on-field coaching. For example, he's not interested in recruiting visits and wants others to handle NIL, even when talking with the players. He has never been known as a great relationship builder, so the theory is that he will offer NFL preparation at a level so much higher than other HCs that nothing else will really matter. The best I can say for that idea is that if anyone can make it work, it may be him.
"He has never been known as a great relationship builder...." I look at him the way I looked at Bobby Knight, ruthless and miserable. If I am Mr. and Mrs. Baker, I want my son in the hands of someone with broader priorities than winning alone. Love or hate James Franklin, he seems to connect with young people. I'm not the young man's parents. Time will tell what Bryce and his parents think of the hire and their desire to be at UNC.

Hey, they could be looking at Andy K and wondering who will be in charge of the offense when Bryce is ready to compete for a starting role. Stability runs both ways, and PSU has had more than its share of turnover at OC and WR coaching.
 
I don't know much about him. He was a nepo coach hired by his dad and coached several years at NE. he apparently was let go when BB was let go and the Pats hired a new staff. He was DC at U of Washington this season. They ended up 6-5...interestingly 6-0 at home, 0-5 away. They ranked 14th in the 18 team B1G in total defense. They play Louisville in the Sun Bowl on 12/31.
I don't believe that the NC football program can be successful long term and still remain affiliated and compensated by the ACC TV package. With or without BB as their HC.

It would be difficult to conceive some booster making a long term annual commitment to make up their deficit. And those additional monies only level the playing field.

A great football coach like BB is certainly a fountain of knowledge. But if he can not connect with his players and they are not respectful of him......

Football is the ultimate team game.
 
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One of the reports I saw was that BB has a list of things he doesn't want to do, and it includes most things that aren't directly related to on-field coaching. For example, he's not interested in recruiting visits and wants others to handle NIL, even when talking with the players. He has never been known as a great relationship builder, so the theory is that he will offer NFL preparation at a level so much higher than other HCs that nothing else will really matter. The best I can say for that idea is that if anyone can make it work, it may be him.
When he coached in CLE and early in NE, he had a complete and undying commitment to winning. From what I heard, he had an incredible work ethic and attention to detail. He came off as impersonal because he had zero, ZERO, patience for people that didn't share his passion for winning. He also was a no-BS guy and didn't tolerate BS. If you went into a meeting with BB and tried to BS him and got caught, you were done. DONE! There was no coming back. He just rolled over people promoting high paid free agents and high draft picks when they weren't performing. He wasn't going to settle for anyone trying to save face for a bad decision. He knew that bad decision would get worse if it was covered. up. he was extremely intolerant of politics, BS, incompetence and laziness. He drove to the end-game: winning.

As an example, he benched Bernie Kosar when Bernie could play well but wouldn't take BB's reign. I'll bet that is what led to the benching of the injured QB and Tom Brady's emergence. BB played the best QB who was a very low draft pick. He didn't try to save anyone's mistake on paying other QBs a ton of money.

A famous story in CLE. BB benched CLE legend Bernie Kosar for Vinny Testiverde. Vinny got hurt so BB put in Bernie. BB was sending in plays and Bernie kept audibling to passing plays. Bernie QBed the Browns right down the field and threw a strike to Michael Jackson for a TD right before half. The celebrating offense was met by BB who got in Bernie's face and told him if he ever overrode a play call again he'd be cut. Later, Bernie hit Michael Jackson for a TD against the Denver Brocos when he audibled to a pass. BB cut him the following day. Bernie then signed with the Cowboys as a backup after Troy Aikman got injured and replaced Jason Garrett when he was ineffective. He started a handful of key games for the 'boys and they ended up winning the Super Bowl and Bernie got his ring. He's told that story several times on local radio shows.
 
Do you know anything about the personality and coaching acumen of BB's son Steve? I believe that he is currently the DC for the Washington Huskies.

If Steve is the real deal in that he can communicate, recruit and do the primary legwork responsibilities for his dad, it could work.

Not every coach's son turns out to be a Kyle Shanahan.

Lots of undefined variables in the equation as we embark on the new age of paid college football.
I think he needs to quit dyeing his hair and lose the man bun. Soft looking coach with a soft defense.
 
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