BTN Final Drive apologetic for Iowa loss

[Cosmos]

Not so much Chuck Long or the other guy but the guy on the left. He focused on three plays where Iowa had the chance to "put Penn State away." No mention of Trace's bad exchange with Sanders which took away a TD. It was an excuse fest for Iowa.

So that evening I'm out at a restaurant-bar. I overhear two Iowa fans talking to a guy wearing a Meatchicken hat. They said "Iowa beat themselves." We will never be welcomed in this God-foresaken conference. Win it again and get out.

IMHO we can salvage the season by beating Meat in The Outhouse.

Have a blessed Sabbath.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

we can salvage the season by beating Meat in The Outhouse.

 

[NittPicker]

Iowa was gifted enough points that they should have won. Iowa didn't beat Iowa. It was more like Penn State tried to beat Penn State but Iowa wouldn't let them

 

[psuro]

Not so much Chuck Long or the other guy but the guy on the left. He focused on three plays where Iowa had the chance to "put Penn State away." No mention of Trace's bad exchange with Sanders which took away a TD. It was an excuse fest for Iowa.

So that evening I'm out at a restaurant-bar. I overhear two Iowa fans talking to a guy wearing a Meatchicken hat. They said "Iowa beat themselves." We will never be welcomed in this God-foresaken conference. Win it again and get out.

IMHO we can salvage the season by beating Meat in The Outhouse.

Have a blessed Sabbath.

If I was an Iowa fan, I would be saying the same thing - the team did beat itself. On the PSU 4 yard line with a chance to go up and less than a couple of minutes left in the game; and they throw a pick because the TE was not ready for the snap.

Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.

 

[HazletonLion]

Now Iowa fans know what it felt like for us in the 6-4 game.

 

[LoyalandTrueLion]

Iowa was gifted enough points that they should have won. Iowa didn't beat Iowa. It was more like Penn State tried to beat Penn State but Iowa wouldn't let them

Yes this is correct and when Iowa had a chance to throw daggers they kicked field goals. Penn State offensively and ST gave them every opportunity early in this game. And the defense held up reasonably well.

If Dotson doesnt catch 4th and 3. I think we lose.

That being said we hung tough and after kicking our own ass. We started playing and made plays. And then we tried to gift it back. With the Int and fumble. Our defense gave them another opportunity and then ripped it away.

Roller coaster win and a good one. The team being flat is on the staff. The halftime adjustments is on the staff.

One thing though they don't seem to be getting better. Again the offense at the end was better but failed to get to victory formation.

 

[AWS1022]

Yes this is correct and when Iowa had a chance to throw daggers they kicked field goals. Penn State offensively and ST gave them every opportunity early in this game. And the defense held up reasonably well.

If Dotson doesnt catch 4th and 3. I think we lose.

That being said we hung tough and after kicking our own ass. We started playing and made plays. And then we tried to gift it back. With the Int and fumble. Our defense gave them another opportunity and then ripped it away.

Roller coaster win and a good one. The team being flat is on the staff. The halftime adjustments is on the staff.

One thing though they don't seem to be getting better. Again the offense at the end was better but failed to get to victory formation.

So they beat a one loss ranked team in a tough battle in horrible conditions yet they don’t seem to be getting better. Got it.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Yes this is correct and when Iowa had a chance to throw daggers they kicked field goals. Penn State offensively and ST gave them every opportunity early in this game. And the defense held up reasonably well.

If Dotson doesnt catch 4th and 3. I think we lose.

That being said we hung tough and after kicking our own ass. We started playing and made plays. And then we tried to gift it back. With the Int and fumble. Our defense gave them another opportunity and then ripped it away.

Roller coaster win and a good one. The team being flat is on the staff. The halftime adjustments is on the staff.

One thing though they don't seem to be getting better. Again the offense at the end was better but failed to get to victory formation.

Any explanation given for icing our own kicker? I mean, it worked out, but not sure what CJF was thinking there...

 

[Cosmos]

If I was an Iowa fan, I would be saying the same thing - the team did beat itself. On the PSU 4 yard line with a chance to go up and less than a couple of minutes left in the game; and they throw a pick because the TE was not ready for the snap.

Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.

My approach to watching college football. Sit back and let the momentum shifts wash over you. Note the lack of execution. Try taking emotion out-of-the-equation. Based on those parameters PSU screwed the proverbial pooch. I am dying for a reporter to ask Franklin why his team is not improving. A Pulitzer for the question.

 

[BBrown]

Yes this is correct and when Iowa had a chance to throw daggers they kicked field goals. Penn State offensively and ST gave them every opportunity early in this game. And the defense held up reasonably well.

If Dotson doesnt catch 4th and 3. I think we lose.

That being said we hung tough and after kicking our own ass. We started playing and made plays. And then we tried to gift it back. With the Int and fumble. Our defense gave them another opportunity and then ripped it away.

Roller coaster win and a good one. The team being flat is on the staff. The halftime adjustments is on the staff.

One thing though they don't seem to be getting better. Again the offense at the end was better but failed to get to victory formation.

I thought the defense played well and improved from last week.

 

[AWS1022]

Any explanation given for icing our own kicker? I mean, it worked out, but not sure what CJF was thinking there...

There’s been some pretty reasonable explanations in other threads on this board. I didn’t think it was difficult to figure out. They were rushing to get the snap off and it’s probably not a good thing to rush a FG from that distance. If Pinegar would have missed it and CJF had not taken the timeout, he would have been crucified for not using a time out to let them get better set.

 

[BBrown]

Any explanation given for icing our own kicker? I mean, it worked out, but not sure what CJF was thinking there...

I think the clock was running out and he didn't want to rush the kick.

 

[CJF_Said_The_Great_Joe_Paterno]

If I was an Iowa fan, I would be saying the same thing - the team did beat itself. On the PSU 4 yard line with a chance to go up and less than a couple of minutes left in the game; and they throw a pick because the TE was not ready for the snap.

Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.

"Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.". Ummm, not for nuth'in, but PSU threw a really bad Pick-6 on their very next possession! Both teams had 2 turnovers that were hugely costly (both effectively had one for a Pick-6 Defensive TD and one which turned the ball over at their opponents 5 yard line on the doorstep of the goal-line). How Iowa's were clearly "worse" only you know. But let me guess, PSU essentially gift wrapping and spotting Iowa 11 special teams points...and PSU overcoming this huge deficit, says nothing in this debate as to who "gave" the other team more points in terms of beating themselves???

 

[Lionguy32]

I thought the defense played well and improved from last week.

The defense is definitely improving week to week. Unfortunately the offense and special teams seem to be moving in the other direction.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

There’s been some pretty reasonable explanations in other threads on this board. I didn’t think it was difficult to figure out. They were rushing to get the snap off and it’s probably not a good thing to rush a FG from that distance. If Pinegar would have missed it and CJF had not taken the timeout, he would have been crucified for not using a time out to let them get better set.

Makes sense. I saw CJF say something like 'there was one second left' and I guess he was thinking he didn't want to rush.

 

[AWS1022]

My approach to watching college football. Sit back and let the momentum shifts wash over you. Note the lack of execution. Try taking emotion out-of-the-equation. Based on those parameters PSU screwed the proverbial pooch. I am dying for a reporter to ask Franklin why his team is not improving. A Pulitzer for the question.

Not improving? You mean like Purdue was improving after the Ohio State game? Oh wait, never mind. Every team has up and down games...get the win and get out.

 

[Connorpozlee]

My approach to watching college football. Sit back and let the momentum shifts wash over you. Note the lack of execution. Try taking emotion out-of-the-equation. Based on those parameters PSU screwed the proverbial pooch. I am dying for a reporter to ask Franklin why his team is not improving. A Pulitzer for the question.

The defense has definitely improved from the start of the season. At least to my eyes. Tough for the offense to progress much when the receivers don’t catch the ball. As the season goes on, opponents begin to figure out what you can and can’t do on offense. At this point if you’re playing Penn State you key on McSorley, find a way to take Hamler away, and take your chances with the rest.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The defense is definitely improving week to week. Unfortunately the offense and special teams seem to be moving in the other direction.

I really miss reading Andrew Callahan's take on the games. My untrained eye see our WR's not getting open before the pocket collapses. And when they are, they've been dropping passes. Friermuth and Hamler (and Sanders) appear to be our only reliable options at WR though Dotson has played well in limited action. Would like to see him and the other young WR's get more reps. Shame Shorter has been dinged up.

 

[psuro]

"Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.". Ummm, not for nuth'in, but PSU threw a really bad Pick-6 on their very next possession! Both teams had 2 turnovers that were hugely costly (both effectively had one for a Pick-6 Defensive TD and one which turned the ball over at their opponents 5 yard line on the doorstep of the goal-line). How Iowa's were clearly "worse" only you know. But let me guess, PSU essentially gift wrapping and spotting Iowa 11 special teams points...and PSU overcoming this huge deficit, says nothing in this debate as to who "gave" the other team more points in terms of beating themselves???

Just get hard watching the soft porn, Bushie.

Everything else is beyond your comprehension.

 

[AWS1022]

The defense has definitely improved from the start of the season. At least to my eyes. Tough for the offense to progress much when the receivers don’t catch the ball. As the season goes on, opponents begin to figure out what you can and can’t do on offense. St this point if you’re playing Penn State you key on McSorley, find a way to take Hamler away, and take your chances with the rest.

I also don’t remember this many horrible weather games. That certainly doesn’t help the offense and the receivers catch the ball. I know both teams have to play in it, but it just always seems to be crappy weather one way or another.

 

[bdgan]

If I was an Iowa fan, I would be saying the same thing - the team did beat itself. On the PSU 4 yard line with a chance to go up and less than a couple of minutes left in the game; and they throw a pick because the TE was not ready for the snap.

Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.

Both teams kept shooting themselves in the foot yesterday. All wins are nice but that one was ugly.

Who would have expected PSU to win if they knew:

• Iowa blocks a punt for a safety
• PSU snaps the ball out of the EZ for a safety
• PSU fumbles on the Iowa 10
• McSorley throws a pick 6
• PSU commits 5 (I think) penalties in the 1st quarter to keep Iowa drives alive.

Stanley's overthrow of a wide open WR, Reid's INT return to inside the 5 yard line, Stanley's Q4 INT when the TE wasn't looking were needed to counter PSU mistakes.

 

[Lionguy32]

I really miss reading Andrew Callahan's take on the games. My untrained eye see our WR's not getting open before the pocket collapses. And when they are, they've been dropping passes. Friermuth and Hamler (and Sanders) appear to be our only reliable options at WR though Dotson has played well in limited action. Would like to see him and the other young WR's get more reps. Shame Shorter has been dinged up.

That definitely seems to be the case, but we also don’t do much quickly. Very few slants or screens. Everything goes to the far sideline .

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Let’s be BRUTALLY honest: BOTH teams took turns winning and losing and winning and losing and winning and losing and winning and losing yesterday.

Stanley had to have played the worst game of his career. Missing a receiver open by 15 yds for a walk-in TD? Throwing the int at the PSU goal line (on a first down play)?

Take away McSorley’s one TD run and one TD throw and he certainly wasn’t much better.

PSU had no luck missing out on all the fumbles that looked like they should have recovered. Iowa had no luck as the blocked punt and the bad snap both might have ended up as TDs instead of safeties with slightly different bounces.

Honestly, one of the strangest games I’ve ever watched.

 

[CJF_Said_The_Great_Joe_Paterno]

Both teams kept shooting themselves in the foot yesterday. All wins are nice but that one was ugly.

Who would have expected PSU to win if they knew:

• Iowa blocks a punt for a safety
• PSU snaps the ball out of the EZ for a safety
• PSU fumbles on the Iowa 10
• McSorley throws a pick 6
• PSU commits 5 (I think) penalties in the 1st quarter to keep Iowa drives alive.

Stanley's overthrow of a wide open WR, Reid's INT return to inside the 5 yard line, Stanley's Q4 INT when the TE wasn't looking were needed to counter PSU mistakes.

Fumble was at the 5, not the 10 (ball was snapped from 5 and rolled forward toward LOS and into LOS scrum after bad exchange between McSorley and Sanders. In any event, PSU started the play from the 5, not the 10.

 

[massimoManca II]

So they beat a one loss ranked team in a tough battle in horrible conditions yet they don’t seem to be getting better. Got it.

If your observations tell you that this team is getting better, then your living room must smell like model airplane glue

 

[CJF_Said_The_Great_Joe_Paterno]

Just get hard watching the soft porn, Bushie.

Everything else is beyond your comprehension.

Awe, Always-Wrong all upset that he's wrong again, so cute! How's "The U" doing? LMAO

 

[massimoManca II]

The defense has definitely improved from the start of the season. At least to my eyes. Tough for the offense to progress much when the receivers don’t catch the ball. As the season goes on, opponents begin to figure out what you can and can’t do on offense. At this point if you’re playing Penn State you key on McSorley, find a way to take Hamler away, and take your chances with the rest.

Yes, I’ve begin noticing that there are now occasions when the first tackler will actually bring the ball-carrier down *

 

[THEEHMANN]

It was nice to see Parsons and Ellis Brooks get more meaningful snaps. This bodes well for the future.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

The offense is not getting any better, so it is reasonable to say Iowa would have probably won if they went up 31-30.

Before Trace's fumble, there was a play where #84 was wide open in the endzone. I have to believe that Trace saw him. Is #84 really at a point where defenses just let him go and the QB won't throw to him except as a last resort? I think getting him into the game is the key to turning around the offense.

 

[SR108]

Yes this is correct and when Iowa had a chance to throw daggers they kicked field goals. Penn State offensively and ST gave them every opportunity early in this game. And the defense held up reasonably well.

If Dotson doesnt catch 4th and 3. I think we lose.

That being said we hung tough and after kicking our own ass. We started playing and made plays. And then we tried to gift it back. With the Int and fumble. Our defense gave them another opportunity and then ripped it away.

Roller coaster win and a good one. The team being flat is on the staff. The halftime adjustments is on the staff.

One thing though they don't seem to be getting better. Again the offense at the end was better but failed to get to victory formation.

I think the defense is getting better overall. This team as a whole has yet to play a complete game.

 

[AWS1022]

If your observations tell you that this team is getting better, then your living room must smell like model airplane glue

Is this the team that was going to get manhandled by Iowa’s OLine? And the same team that was not going to be able to control the vaunted Iowa DLine? The team that was so bad they were going to be lucky to beat Maryland or even Rutgers? Because that’s what I read all week and then they win, yet they’re not getting better. Yeah, I’m the one sniffing glue.

 

[bdgan]

The offense is not getting any better, so it is reasonable to say Iowa would have probably won if they went up 31-30.

Before Trace's fumble, there was a play where #84 was wide open in the endzone. I have to believe that Trace saw him. Is #84 really at a point where defenses just let him go and the QB won't throw to him except as a last resort? I think getting him into the game is the key to turning around the offense.

I agree that getting JJ going would really help the offense but I don't know if he's up to the challenge. He might get over the dropped passes but I'm not sure if he's tough enough to get off the LOS and fight for 50/50 balls. Sure hope it changes.

 

[massimoManca II]

Is this the team that was going to get manhandled by Iowa’s OLine? And the same team that was not going to be able to control the vaunted Iowa DLine? The team that was so bad they were going to be lucky to beat Maryland or even Rutgers? Because that’s what I read all week and then they win, yet they’re not getting better. Yeah, I’m the one sniffing glue.

YGM made himself known last night, but Shaka was on radio-silence... guys still flailing and flinging themselves at ballcarriers instead of making tackles.... OL played okay but MS24 largely neutralized

 

[CJF_Said_The_Great_Joe_Paterno]

Is this the team that was going to get manhandled by Iowa’s OLine? And the same team that was not going to be able to control the vaunted Iowa DLine? The team that was so bad they were going to be lucky to beat Maryland or even Rutgers? Because that’s what I read all week and then they win, yet they’re not getting better. Yeah, I’m the one sniffing glue.

No doubt AWS... BTW, like your style - apologize for my transgressions toward you (just get very frustrated with the true a-holes on this board and perhaps jump the gun in going off...again, my apologies.).

 

[bdgan]

Is this the team that was going to get manhandled by Iowa’s OLine? And the same team that was not going to be able to control the vaunted Iowa DLine? The team that was so bad they were going to be lucky to beat Maryland or even Rutgers? Because that’s what I read all week and then they win, yet they’re not getting better. Yeah, I’m the one sniffing glue.

Who said that PSU was going to get manhandled by Iowa's OL? Iowa is 10th in the conference in rushing offense. Almost everybody said that Iowa has to rely on passes to their TEs.

I'm not sure that PSU controlled Iowa's DL. PSU had 118 rushing yards with nearly half of them coming on McSorley's 51 yard TD run.

I think PSU is improving in some areas. Reid is getting better. Big game for Pinegar. Freirmuth and Matos continue to impress. Some nice contributions from Dotson & Brooks in limited action. But there's still a long way to go.

 

[OhioLion]

If Pinegar would have missed it and CJF had not taken the timeout,

Amen!
Some on here could have won the $1.6 billion and been upset they had to pay taxes.

OL

 

[Lion84]

If I was an Iowa fan, I would be saying the same thing - the team did beat itself. On the PSU 4 yard line with a chance to go up and less than a couple of minutes left in the game; and they throw a pick because the TE was not ready for the snap.

Yeah, PSU flubbed as well, but from an Iowa fan's perspective; I can see their point.

We could also argue it should have been a PSU run away - if you look at all our mistakes, even with a few less we win easily - Stanley was terrible. So much for the idiot announcers pumping him up - Griese stinks as well.

 

[Lion Lineage]

Is this the team that was going to get manhandled by Iowa’s OLine? And the same team that was not going to be able to control the vaunted Iowa DLine? The team that was so bad they were going to be lucky to beat Maryland or even Rutgers? Because that’s what I read all week and then they win, yet they’re not getting better. Yeah, I’m the one sniffing glue.

The defensive line is really coming along and they’re young. Nice to see. Penn State won the LOS on both sides more than they lost. Iowa couldn’t even score an offensive TD.

Oh and for everyone saying Iowa should have won and they blew their chances, does that make Ferentz a bad coach? Because when Penn State doesn’t capitalize on opportunities it’s Franklin’s fault - good recruiter bad game day coach, etc.

Realistically, without gifting Iowa 4 points and flubbing the handoff on the 10, Penn State wins 37-20 and I think Penn State played well enough that that should have been the score.

 

[olelion]

Not so much Chuck Long or the other guy but the guy on the left. He focused on three plays where Iowa had the chance to "put Penn State away." No mention of Trace's bad exchange with Sanders which took away a TD. It was an excuse fest for Iowa.

So that evening I'm out at a restaurant-bar. I overhear two Iowa fans talking to a guy wearing a Meatchicken hat. They said "Iowa beat themselves." We will never be welcomed in this God-foresaken conference. Win it again and get out.

IMHO we can salvage the season by beating Meat in The Outhouse.

Have a blessed Sabbath.

hey, F$ck em. What they didn't say was that Ferentz et al thought they were playing one of the Joe pa plodder teams. "....damn, 17 points use to be plenty against this outfit, what the f$ck is happening?

I honestly do not listen to these gasbags. Some are worse than others but not one of them interests me

 

[BobPSU92]

I think the clock was running out and he didn't want to rush the kick.

Rushing the kick worked well for Tosu in 2016.