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Cael does not seem particularly happy ...

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... with the performance against Iowa. His body language, low energy, hesitancy to fully praise the team or individuals, and cautious words are kind of telling.

He does acknowledge a general toughness in gritting out a win for a number of guys.

Mentions not being able to get off bottom. Mentions not finishing takedowns. Mentions close matches (including OT), including 174 as a "weird match".

He might have been disappointed as well with the way things ended at 285. But that is conjecture.

 
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... with the performance against Iowa. His body language, low energy, hesitancy to fully praise the team or individuals, and cautious words are kind of telling.

He does acknowledge a general toughness in gritting out a win for a number of guys.

Mentions not being able to get off bottom. Mentions not finishing takedowns. Mentions close matches (including OT), including 174 as a "weird match".

He might have been disappointed as well with the way things ended at 285. But that is conjecture.

"weird match is Cael-speak for Rivera sucks.
 
I think he hints at it; the coaches might not have had the training load dialed In appropriately. Both athletes and coaches learn from training and competition.
 
Cael wants to dominate these big matches. He’s right, we didn’t show the energy and enthusiasm he likes to talk about.

We won, and gritted out some tough matches, lost some weird ones.

i like when Caels not happy (meaning he’ll make sure whatever he didn’t like gets corrected)
Confident we show more energy going forward
 
We as fans should be very happy. Winning @ Carver is special.

But a guy like Cael? I wouldn't remotely expect him to be. Tonight if anything showed the team race is close as can be. I get normal rules go out the door at Carver but I think Cael wanted total domination and didn't get it. 3 champs taken to the brink, a 4th not getting bonus against a guy he might see in the second round. Kerk has a let down off his Parris upset with getting completely worked by Cass in all 3 positions. Berge didn't look like he belonged on the same mat as Marinelli (who has barely bonused anyone this year though I think it's possible the Kharchla loss awakened him)

Cael is a perfectionist ... today was far from perfect. The hardest dual stretch is over and we should enjoy the final 3 home duals but I imagine we'll see some flatness as Cael works the team hard.
 
We as fans should be very happy. Winning @ Carver is special.

But a guy like Cael? I wouldn't remotely expect him to be. Tonight if anything showed the team race is close as can be. I get normal rules go out the door at Carver but I think Cael wanted total domination and didn't get it. 3 champs taken to the brink, a 4th not getting bonus against a guy he might see in the second round. Kerk has a let down off his Parris upset with getting completely worked by Cass in all 3 positions. Berge didn't look like he belonged on the same mat as Marinelli (who has barely bonused anyone this year though I think it's possible the Kharchla loss awakened him)

Cael is a perfectionist ... today was far from perfect. The hardest dual stretch is over and we should enjoy the final 3 home duals but I imagine we'll see some flatness as Cael works the team hard.
Maybe, but recall that 141 and 174 were both rematches of the 2021 NCAA final, and both of those bouts also went to OT. So I doubt the issues for the PSU staff were at at 141 and 174. Besides, Starocci and Kemerer are about as evenly matched as you'll find,

Rather, Sanderson probably had a residual bad taste from 285, where Kerk unexpectedly got manhandled. Further, the bout at 133 was strange, and 165 was just ugly.
 
honestly, i don't think either team wrestled that well tonight.

125 hildebrandt was okay, but ybarra is bad and he had to beat the buzzer for that major. only 1 takedown.

133 my thoughts are known here. rby is capable of more. desanto can't finish without the dump and that will always be his ceiling. neither team should feel great about this match

141 was going how i expected until the brain fart at the end. iowa can't be happy about eierman still being flat and cael can't be happy about lee almost pissing that away

149 murin very good. cael has to be frustrated with bartlett

157 young owes me 7 minutes of my life back. obv 157 not a strength for you guys

165 marinelli best match of the year. berge broke.

174 starocci aggressive, but couldn't finish. had kem dead to rights multiple times. 2nd match in a row where kem struggled to get to legs. going forward, even though neither can reliably score, starocci is better suited to rideouts.

184 should have been a major. assad fought, but is not on the level. brooks capable of more.

197 warner blew this match. couldn't hold up to the pace. dean has carved out a style at 197, but it's a tight rope to walk

285 good job cass. weird match kerk.

on balance, there's a lot for both coaches to be displeased about.
 
Maybe, but recall that 141 and 174 were both rematches of the 2021 NCAA final, and both of those bouts also went to OT. So I doubt the issues for the PSU staff were at at 141 and 174. Besides, Starocci and Kemerer are about as evenly matched as you'll find,

Rather, Sanderson probably had a residual bad taste from 285, where Kerk unexpectedly got manhandled. Further, the bout at 133 was strange, and 165 was just ugly.
Actually, I bet Cael is less than satisfied with 174 tonight. Finish a couple of those deep shots, and Carter wins by 4 or 5.
 
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There were some strange matches. RBY did very little offensively, just enough to win; seemed like Eierman gave up points more than Lee creating them; nothing from Beau; Berge got dominated; Starocci could not finish a shot (incredible match); Brooks had an opportunity for bonus but no takedowns after the 1st; Kerk had no business playing around up top with Cass (back outta that tie if you have to).

Hildebrandt, BearClaw and Dean wrestled really well, I thought. But otherwise, I don’t think we saw the best version of the team
 
I got a feeling of what he was talking about, especially at 133 & 285, and how did Brooks not get bonus?? The good news is BigTens and Nationals aren't wrestled at Carver on a Friday night after traversing the state of Michigan 5 days earlier. Expect to see more separation in some of those wins and better performances from some of the guy that lost in the post season.
 
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I thought they wrestled like a team that had just wrestled two matches away the week before including one that they outdid themselves at. Winning at Iowa is different than winning at Ann Arbor, especially back to back. The best part is that Penn State always wrestles far better at NCAAs than in duals at this point of the season. Most of their competition do not.
 
honestly, i don't think either team wrestled that well tonight.

125 hildebrandt was okay, but ybarra is bad and he had to beat the buzzer for that major. only 1 takedown.

133 my thoughts are known here. rby is capable of more. desanto can't finish without the dump and that will always be his ceiling. neither team should feel great about this match

141 was going how i expected until the brain fart at the end. iowa can't be happy about eierman still being flat and cael can't be happy about lee almost pissing that away

149 murin very good. cael has to be frustrated with bartlett

157 young owes me 7 minutes of my life back. obv 157 not a strength for you guys

165 marinelli best match of the year. berge broke.

174 starocci aggressive, but couldn't finish. had kem dead to rights multiple times. 2nd match in a row where kem struggled to get to legs. going forward, even though neither can reliably score, starocci is better suited to rideouts.

184 should have been a major. assad fought, but is not on the level. brooks capable of more.

197 warner blew this match. couldn't hold up to the pace. dean has carved out a style at 197, but it's a tight rope to walk

285 good job cass. weird match kerk.

on balance, there's a lot for both coaches to be displeased about.
pretty fair assessment
 
Outside of 125, I think that was as good as Iowa has and rightfully so in Carver. But PSU just seemed lethargic tonight. RBY did very little. Even Lee looked a little off. If you would have told me before the match that out of 149-165 that 157 would wrestle the best I’d say ur crazy. But that’s what happened. The BB’s were very disappointing. CS should have clocked old man Klem. As many have said, he just couldn’t finish. Brooks, what the heck? Did he know what the score was? Love Dean but he is a 184 wrestling at 197... Kerk, just wrestle, don’t “throw” with these heavies. Use ur quickness and ability to get to the leg.

I expected PSU to win 7 out of 10 bouts. 285 did not go the way I expected but it was not PSU’s best and easily could have been an Iowa win but the Nits did gut it out! It won’t be close at Nationals. Big Tens are just prep.
 
Outside of 125, I think that was as good as Iowa has and rightfully so in Carver. But PSU just seemed lethargic tonight. RBY did very little. Even Lee looked a little off. If you would have told me before the match that out of 149-165 that 157 would wrestle the best I’d say ur crazy. But that’s what happened. The BB’s were very disappointing. CS should have clocked old man Klem. As many have said, he just couldn’t finish. Brooks, what the heck? Did he know what the score was? Love Dean but he is a 184 wrestling at 197... Kerk, just wrestle, don’t “throw” with these heavies. Use ur quickness and ability to get to the leg.

I expected PSU to win 7 out of 10 bouts. 285 did not go the way I expected but it was not PSU’s best and easily could have been an Iowa win but the Nits did gut it out! It won’t be close at Nationals. Big Tens are just prep.
Now ask yourself how many years in a row did Penn State look uncharacteristically off in a dual meet at around this point of the season. I'd love to know what Cael does, but I think it includes wrestling a big dual under a heavy training stress each season.
 
honestly, i don't think either team wrestled that well tonight.

125 hildebrandt was okay, but ybarra is bad and he had to beat the buzzer for that major. only 1 takedown.

133 my thoughts are known here. rby is capable of more. desanto can't finish without the dump and that will always be his ceiling. neither team should feel great about this match

141 was going how i expected until the brain fart at the end. iowa can't be happy about eierman still being flat and cael can't be happy about lee almost pissing that away

149 murin very good. cael has to be frustrated with bartlett

157 young owes me 7 minutes of my life back. obv 157 not a strength for you guys

165 marinelli best match of the year. berge broke.

174 starocci aggressive, but couldn't finish. had kem dead to rights multiple times. 2nd match in a row where kem struggled to get to legs. going forward, even though neither can reliably score, starocci is better suited to rideouts.

184 should have been a major. assad fought, but is not on the level. brooks capable of more.

197 warner blew this match. couldn't hold up to the pace. dean has carved out a style at 197, but it's a tight rope to walk

285 good job cass. weird match kerk.

on balance, there's a lot for both coaches to be displeased about.

Not a bad analysis. I disagree at 141. Lee broke Eierman, again.
 
Does this mean that poor man is still pissed?

This was not an intentional “train through“ Dual. But I’ll agree our guys looked sluggish as a group. We got the dub deep in enemy territory, and I’m sure a good list of adjustments to make. So I’m good.
 
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honestly, i don't think either team wrestled that well tonight.

125 hildebrandt was okay, but ybarra is bad and he had to beat the buzzer for that major. only 1 takedown.

133 my thoughts are known here. rby is capable of more. desanto can't finish without the dump and that will always be his ceiling. neither team should feel great about this match

141 was going how i expected until the brain fart at the end. iowa can't be happy about eierman still being flat and cael can't be happy about lee almost pissing that away

149 murin very good. cael has to be frustrated with bartlett

157 young owes me 7 minutes of my life back. obv 157 not a strength for you guys

165 marinelli best match of the year. berge broke.

174 starocci aggressive, but couldn't finish. had kem dead to rights multiple times. 2nd match in a row where kem struggled to get to legs. going forward, even though neither can reliably score, starocci is better suited to rideouts.

184 should have been a major. assad fought, but is not on the level. brooks capable of more.

197 warner blew this match. couldn't hold up to the pace. dean has carved out a style at 197, but it's a tight rope to walk

285 good job cass. weird match kerk.

on balance, there's a lot for both coaches to be displeased about.
Could not agree more, excellent analysis...
 
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honestly, i don't think either team wrestled that well tonight.

125 hildebrandt was okay, but ybarra is bad and he had to beat the buzzer for that major. only 1 takedown.

133 my thoughts are known here. rby is capable of more. desanto can't finish without the dump and that will always be his ceiling. neither team should feel great about this match

141 was going how i expected until the brain fart at the end. iowa can't be happy about eierman still being flat and cael can't be happy about lee almost pissing that away

149 murin very good. cael has to be frustrated with bartlett

157 young owes me 7 minutes of my life back. obv 157 not a strength for you guys

165 marinelli best match of the year. berge broke.

174 starocci aggressive, but couldn't finish. had kem dead to rights multiple times. 2nd match in a row where kem struggled to get to legs. going forward, even though neither can reliably score, starocci is better suited to rideouts.

184 should have been a major. assad fought, but is not on the level. brooks capable of more.

197 warner blew this match. couldn't hold up to the pace. dean has carved out a style at 197, but it's a tight rope to walk

285 good job cass. weird match kerk.

on balance, there's a lot for both coaches to be displeased about.
I agree here 100%- super on-point assessment. I'd add- I thought the entire match felt weird... entertaining as hell, but weird...
 
honestly, i don't think either team wrestled that well tonight.

125 hildebrandt was okay, but ybarra is bad and he had to beat the buzzer for that major. only 1 takedown.

133 my thoughts are known here. rby is capable of more. desanto can't finish without the dump and that will always be his ceiling. neither team should feel great about this match

141 was going how i expected until the brain fart at the end. iowa can't be happy about eierman still being flat and cael can't be happy about lee almost pissing that away

149 murin very good. cael has to be frustrated with bartlett

157 young owes me 7 minutes of my life back. obv 157 not a strength for you guys

165 marinelli best match of the year. berge broke.

174 starocci aggressive, but couldn't finish. had kem dead to rights multiple times. 2nd match in a row where kem struggled to get to legs. going forward, even though neither can reliably score, starocci is better suited to rideouts.

184 should have been a major. assad fought, but is not on the level. brooks capable of more.

197 warner blew this match. couldn't hold up to the pace. dean has carved out a style at 197, but it's a tight rope to walk

285 good job cass. weird match kerk.

on balance, there's a lot for both coaches to be displeased about.
You have a very balanced take.

125 - The major was expected just not how. if your Brands you have to be content. If your Cael, you can't be happy that your 2 time all-american is 0-0 going to the second without taking a shot against Iowa's 3rd stringer

133 - About expected. ADS needs to figure out how to wrestle when he can't dump. I think RBY respects ADS and is not taking chances, he gets the 1 TD he needs to win and is content not that Cael is.

141 - About expected. Cael probably not happy that Lee almost gave the match away. Eierman needs to figure out how to take down Lee to get to his top game since Lee is not voluntarily taking bottom

149 - Does Bartlett even know how to shoot? Murin did what he had to do.

157 - Horrible match, does either know how to shoot? Barraclough never came close to getting out. Hard to win when you can't shoot, can't get off the bottom and accumulated about 5 seconds of riding time.

165 - Berge needs to get to 157. Marinelli dominated. I don't understand how Berge got hit for stalling 4 times. A few times, Marinelli literally shoved Berge off the mat for stall calls, Berge was not fleeing and this is not freestyle. Berge did nothing

174 - Carter needs to finish his shots and this is not close. Kem needs to do the same, he is not beating Carter in OT if it gets to rideouts.

184 - Brooks needed to bonus here, rode too much in the 1st period.

197 - Very good match from Dean, nearly broke Warner in half to secure the match.

285 - Great match from Cass, not sure what Kerk was doing trying to go upper body. When he missed on it in the first, it was a different match and he shutdown.

Overall, if your Cael you have to be happy that you won at Carver. There were 5 matches featuring two wrestlers in the top 5, PSU went 4-1 in those matches. The ultimate goal is to get the hand raised, mission accomplished. That being said, plenty for both teams to work on and neither coach is probably particularly happy. PSU looked much better last week against Michigan.

Rivera did Rivera things.

This was not the best dual to attract the casual fan to wrestling, it was like the NCAA finals in 2021, too many matches were 0-0 after the first period.
 
And btw, @js8793 , your talents are wasted in the cesspool. You should convert to the good guyz.
Ya know what’s funny, there are some over there that hate him more than they hate me. He gives his honest opinion on things and if it doesn’t fit their own beliefs as a Hawk fan it drives them up the wall. Lol.
 
Michigan walked out of the dual with tail between their legs and PSU walked out like BOSSES!

Last night, both teams went back to locker room, knowing it wasn’t their best effort. The guys that lost for both teams, believe they can turn it around the next time (except maybe Brady) and the guys that won believe they can widen the gap.
As Cael said “weird dual”
 
I thought they wrestled like a team that had just wrestled two matches away the week before including one that they outdid themselves at. Winning at Iowa is different than winning at Ann Arbor, especially back to back. The best part is that Penn State always wrestles far better at NCAAs than in duals at this point of the season. Most of their competition do not.
No excuses are needed when you win. And, they're not particularly good look when you lose.
 
Brady is better than he showed last night and I’m not talking about his wrestling skills. He just didn’t seem right. Like he was low energy. He looked worn out from the start. The Bull is certainly better but I gotta think he can put up more of a fight than what we saw last night.
This probably won't go over well but IMO, Brady didn't look like he wanted anything to do with The Bull, or wrestling whatsoever last night. It makes me wonder if last night makes him second guess his decision to return. I hope my opinion ends up being complete BS.
 
Man was 174 a fun match, both guys the legs a couple times and I thought they were going to finish.

Anyone else thought how weird it was that Kem didn't fight the escape when he was riding Star in rideouts and they both got to their feet? He basically just let go, which makes no sense given the situation. I'm curious if 1) he forgot the new rules that the first rideout can end it even if both escape or 2) he's making a concerted effort to avoid certain positions because of his shoulder.
 
This probably won't go over well but IMO, Brady didn't look like he wanted anything to do with The Bull, or wrestling whatsoever last night. It makes me wonder if last night makes him second guess his decision to return. I hope my opinion ends up being complete BS.
After a couple of hard collar ties and not getting to any openings he did fade. I said it before, I thought a few of our guys seemed to get winded early. They did have a long bus ride home last week!
 
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You have a very balanced take.

125 - The major was expected just not how. if your Brands you have to be content. If your Cael, you can't be happy that your 2 time all-american is 0-0 going to the second without taking a shot against Iowa's 3rd stringer

133 - About expected. ADS needs to figure out how to wrestle when he can't dump. I think RBY respects ADS and is not taking chances, he gets the 1 TD he needs to win and is content not that Cael is.

141 - About expected. Cael probably not happy that Lee almost gave the match away. Eierman needs to figure out how to take down Lee to get to his top game since Lee is not voluntarily taking bottom

149 - Does Bartlett even know how to shoot? Murin did what he had to do.

157 - Horrible match, does either know how to shoot? Barraclough never came close to getting out. Hard to win when you can't shoot, can't get off the bottom and accumulated about 5 seconds of riding time.

165 - Berge needs to get to 157. Marinelli dominated. I don't understand how Berge got hit for stalling 4 times. A few times, Marinelli literally shoved Berge off the mat for stall calls, Berge was not fleeing and this is not freestyle. Berge did nothing

174 - Carter needs to finish his shots and this is not close. Kem needs to do the same, he is not beating Carter in OT if it gets to rideouts.

184 - Brooks needed to bonus here, rode too much in the 1st period.

197 - Very good match from Dean, nearly broke Warner in half to secure the match.

285 - Great match from Cass, not sure what Kerk was doing trying to go upper body. When he missed on it in the first, it was a different match and he shutdown.

Overall, if your Cael you have to be happy that you won at Carver. There were 5 matches featuring two wrestlers in the top 5, PSU went 4-1 in those matches. The ultimate goal is to get the hand raised, mission accomplished. That being said, plenty for both teams to work on and neither coach is probably particularly happy. PSU looked much better last week against Michigan.

Rivera did Rivera things.

This was not the best dual to attract the casual fan to wrestling, it was like the NCAA finals in 2021, too many matches were 0-0 after the first period.
Berge and stalling. Agree, Also agree 4 stall calls was a bit much considering Rivera wasn't anywhere that aggressive calling stalls in any other match.
If that is the best Berge has to offer one of the very elite 165 pounders he probably should consider 157. He isn't going to challenge Carr, nor Deaken but nobody at 157 is going to bully him like Marinelli did.
 
thought they wrestled like a team that had just wrestled two matches away the week before including one that they outdid themselves at.
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RBY decided to avoid his offense, in favor of wrestling a close match, not sure why. Lee made a mistake to loose control of the match, but fortunately for us, both Iowa’s 141 and 174 can not hang through being pushed hard for 7 minutes, we saw this in the finals last year as well. Berge needs some more time to get in peak wrestling shape and not sure what happened to Brooks, he slowed down in the 3rd. Kerk needs to stay away from the upper body stuff with Cass, keep it on the feet, work his TD’s and I think we’ll see a different outcome.

Oh and you got to love that fake challenge by Brands to give Kemerer a lunger, fortunately it did not work.
 
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This was a gritty win and we all should be happy. Can some of them perform better - sure. But we won the ones we were expected to easily (Brooks/Hildebrandt), and won 4 of the 5 that were essentially toss ups where the guys were ranked within 3 spots of each other. And all in a hostile environment and needing to overcome bad calls. Didn’t pull any upsets at 149, 157 or 165, but except for Berge they kept those close till the bell.
 
Both interviews were good (I watched Brands too). Coach Cael seemed a bit tired himself. His comments contained a lot more positives than I expected with the thread's heading. Each answer contained an opposing more-positive view after a seemingly disappointing view.

Not the exact wordings, just some observations...
Weren't feeling great...that's a tough place to wrestle.
Not real happy with our performance...that's a really good Iowa team.
Not the energy we wanted...it's tough to wrestle hard duals two weekends in a row.
We'll be fine.
We'll figure it out.
We'll be ready in March.
NOT UNLIKE 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. Scheduling from here out is set up perfectly. Two tough duals next weekend (both at home), a week off, a relatively easy dual (at home), then another week off before going to Lincoln. The best is yet to come.
 
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