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Cal Is F*'d Because Of Its Stupid Stadium Deal

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Literally that's the title of this article...

... The Bears now owe at least $18 million per year in interest-only payments on the stadium debt, and that number will balloon to at least $26 million per year in 2032 when Berkeley starts paying off the principal stadium cost. Payments will increase until they peak at $37 million per year in 2039, then subside again in 2051 before Berkeley will owe $81 million in 2053. After that, the school is on the hook for $75 million more and will have six decades to pay it off. The stadium might not get paid off until 2113, by which time, who knows, an earthquake could send the stadium back into the earth or football as we know it might be dead......


Let's hope we avoid this fiasco with our upcoming reno of the Beav coming up.
 
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Sounds like things aren't going too well with that....pretty blunt headline.

http://deadspin.com/cal-is-****ed-because-of-its-stupid-stadium-deal-1795896858

Cal Is ****ed Because Of Its Stupid Stadium Deal
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The University of California-Berkeley first built Memorial Stadium atop their campus in 1923 as a tribute to those who died fighting World War I. It’s one of the most beautiful college football stadiums in the country, a gem perched in the Berkeley Hills that overlooks the East Bay, San Francisco, and the Golden Gate Bridge. Problem is, stadiums get old, especially stadiums that straddle the Hayward Fault, a more destructive cousin of the famous San Andreas Fault. Memorial Stadium is quite literally bisected by the fault, which not only means that there is risk of a catastrophic earthquake, but that the stadium is slowly being pulled apart by fault creep.

A 1997 study rated the seismic safety of the stadium “poor,” and school officials embarked on a quest to fix it shortly after. Regents told the school to either fix the stadium or find a new place to play. That’s an impossible decision, given that Berkeley is a high-density urban area crisscrossed with fault lines and bound by mountains to the east and the San Francisco Bay to the west. By 2006, Berkeley officials had decided not to try and build a stadium somewhere else or play home games in the Raiders stadium, but rather to completely renovate and retrofit Memorial Stadium and build a new locker room and workout facility underneath it. The school was going to take on a bonded debt of $445 million for the $474 million project, hoping to pay it back by selling 50-year rights to season tickets for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Almost immediately, the project got mired in a series of delays. An infamous tree-sitting protest began on the morning of Cal’s annual rivalry game with Stanford in 2006 and delayed construction all the way until September 2008. A neighborhood association sued the university over potential plans to build a parking garage (there is a comical dearth of parking in Berkeley), and that case wasn’t settled until 2010. The delays, the adjacent American economic crisis, Cal football’s declining on-field relevance, and the UC system’s budget crisis (which prompted $650 million in cuts and 17 percent tuition spikes) turned the incredibly ambitious project into an unholy albatross. Stanford stadium guru Roger Noll warned Berkeley officials that the project was too risky, and he was proven correct in his assessment.

By June 2011, only 49 of the 3,000 long-term seats had been sold. By December, the school said that they were $113 million short of their goal. Kansas tried a similar long-term seat plan and they abandoned it after it failed spectacularly. Cal tried to pivot away from the seat selling plan by 2013, but by that point, a gaping budget shortfall was staring them in the face, and that was just from paying off the debt. The Bears now owe at least $18 million per year in interest-only payments on the stadium debt, and that number will balloon to at least $26 million per year in 2032 when Berkeley starts paying off the principal stadium cost. Payments will increase until they peak at $37 million per year in 2039, then subside again in 2051 before Berkeley will owe $81 million in 2053. After that, the school is on the hook for $75 million more and will have six decades to pay it off. The stadium might not get paid off until 2113, by which time, who knows, an earthquake could send the stadium back into the earth or football as we know it might be dead.

Cal has a historically strong athletics program across the board, with several teams competing for national championships every year, multiple Bears winning Olympic medals every few years, and many high-profile pros in the NBA and the NFL. The school’s 30 teams are the second-most in the Pac-12, and even though Berkeley is more famous for its strong record of academic success, no other public school can stand up to Berkeley’s combination of elite academics and big-time sporting success. However, the current budgetary crisis brought on by the stadium debt is an existential threat to athletics at Cal.

The debt financing plan relies on athletics revenues going up, which is not encouraging given that ticket sales declined next year, the TV rights bubble might be popping, and the football team does not look like it will be worth a damn in the foreseeable future. Austerity measures have been broached before, and in 2010 Cal Athletics almost lost five teams, including its iconic rugby team. Last-ditch donor efforts saved those teams, but the budget is still mired in horrifying amounts of debt. The program ran a $22 million deficit last year, and a new apparel deal and a new naming rights deal for Memorial Stadium’s field will only take small chunks out of that gap. A new task force was formed by the school in August 2016 to find solutions to the budget crisis, and as co-chair Robert O’Donnell told Bloomberg, “Everything is on the table.”

Tensions between Cal’s athletics and academics are nothing new, and this situation isn’t helping. The stadium debt is so large that funding may have to come out of the school’s non-athletics budget soon. The school’s largest donors donate to both the school and the athletics programs, and any disruption of sports could decrease the overall amount of donations. The task force issued a report on its findings this week—you can read it below—and while they did not mention any specific remedies, things look incredibly dire.

Given its magnitude, it is virtually certain that interest expense will exceed IA’s operating income for the foreseeable future no matter what actions are taken regarding program scope in IA.

As the task force made clear, cutting sports might save money, but could also dry up the donor well that the school relies on to pay teachers.

If the scope of the program were reduced, what would be the potential savings? To bound the problem, we received estimates that reducing the number of intercollegiate sports from 30 to the NCAA minimum of 14 might produce an initial annual savings on the order of $9- 12 million. In addition, total IA annual capital spending of $7-8 million might decline to $3-4 million. Substantial uncertainty surrounds both of these estimates.

Set against these savings is the effect that reducing the number of sports would likely have on philanthropy, not only to IA but also to the entire campus. Development staff estimates that the initial annual impact could be on the order of $25 million. 4 While this estimate is consistent with that made in the 2010 report, this number, like the estimated cost savings from reducing sports, is subject to great uncertainty. Notwithstanding this uncertainty, any recommendation must consider the net cost of scope savings after taking into account the potential reduction in philanthropy.

The task force noted that cuts and changes must be made but stopped just short of any prescriptions. Tighter budgetary control is a given, but the school simply owes too much money to avoid taking any drastic measures. The other shoe will drop soon for Cal, and it’s not going to be pretty when it does.
 
Yeah, I sure hope she doesn't make the same mistake at PSU. If there's extra money they can't spend from football, put it in the bank or give it to students for scholarships or whatever. Who needs a gold-plated press box and a pretty brick wall around the erector set.

The seismic issues made the upgrade necessary at Cal. But I'm not aware of Happy Valley experiencing earthquakes.
 
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Sharkies. Dude. Are you really operating under the impression that the stadium deal is what eff'ed Cal? We have not been to the Rose Bowl since January 1, 1959.

As for the stadium financing,. the debt can readily be refinanced it necessary. What really has to happen is that the Cal football program has to return to some level of competence and competitiveness. If that happens, season ticket sales and donations will rebound.
 
You're asking Art this?? And expect a fair and impartial answer?? We will see!!
 
You're asking Art this?? And except fair and impartial answer?? We will see!!

Ha ha! No - am not expecting a fair and impartial answer, which is what I'm sort of hoping for.
 
That report is pretty accurate but, as discussed on the Cal Boards ad nauseum, the University could refinance the debt, if necessary, to delay the day of reckoning (i.e., the day on which principal starts being repaid in addition to interest). The long term solution is increasing top line income, through both ticket sales and donations.
 
Sharkies. Dude. Are you really operating under the impression that the stadium deal is what eff'ed Cal? We have not been to the Rose Bowl since January 1, 1959.

As for the stadium financing,. the debt can readily be refinanced it necessary. What really has to happen is that the Cal football program has to return to some level of competence and competitiveness. If that happens, season ticket sales and donations will rebound.
There are situations where debt cannot be refinanced in any case, let alone "readily be refinanced it necessary". Suppose the underlying security has been so devalued no sensible creditor would touch it?
 
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ACGT: This is hardly your standard mortgage loan. The underlying security is only part of the equation. This is a loan to a public entity that is ultimately supported by tax dollars.
 
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LOL at this entire thread, in particular the notion that PSU is at risk of a stadium deal it cannot financially support.

Notwithstanding the unduly complimentary verbiage in that Deadspin article concerning Cal athletics ,the differences between Cal and Penn State athletics could hardly be more profound. What Joe built, among many other things, is a football program and tradition that easily endured even the most painful and trying of dislocations. PSU football has been highly successful for DECADES, so its alums support it enthusiastically, and insist on excellence. And the football program makes a shiatload of money, which will support virtually ANY kind of stadium retrofit or reconstruction.

Cal has had plenty of success in the Olympic sports (i.e., the ones which produce costs, rather than revenue). Football is another story. There is no legacy of success at Cal, so the support is lukewarm in the best of times. Further, the administration and the faculty are generally hostile to big time college athletics, being of the opinion that success in football undermines and detracts from the school's academic success and image.

That is so far from PSU that it's not funny. Even if Sandy was the kind of bumbler that Barry portrays her to be (I'm not a big fan of hers, but I wouldn't go quite as far as Barry), PSU's football tradition and income make a stadium retrofit, IMO, pretty much Sandy-proof.
 
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You're asking Art this?? And expect a fair and impartial answer?? We will see!!

Ha ha! No - am not expecting a fair and impartial answer, which is what I'm sort of hoping for.

Fine, then you can continue in your ignorance. The only poster in this thread who is close to having a clue is ACGT.

And, BTW, how is that 20 Year Master Plan coming along?
 
Fine, then you can continue in your ignorance. The only poster in this thread who is close to having a clue is ACGT.

And, BTW, how is that 20 Year Master Plan coming along?

If I didn't make it clear earlier, while I do think you're hard on Sandy, I do think you call it like it is and don't think you would be critical without good reason.
 
Fine, then you can continue in your ignorance. The only poster in this thread who is close to having a clue is ACGT.

And, BTW, how is that 20 Year Master Plan coming along?

Patience. It takes 20 years to write it.
 
If I didn't make it clear earlier, while I do think you're hard on Sandy, I do think you call it like it is and don't think you would be critical without good reason.

Let's roll the clock back to when DUMBSHIT, if someone will forgive me for stealing the term, was hired by PSU. I had no idea who she was, so I looked up her background. For the most part, her experience was what one might expect of someone that PSU would hire for the AD job. One unexpected thing was that she was fired from her previous job. Why did Cal fire her? Two reasons: a) she ****ed up the stadium retrofit project royally, and b) she fiddled while that grad rates of the football and men's basketball program went into the crapper.

If I'm a university president, I try to hire somebody without those stains on the resume and I certainly don't hire them with a mega pay boost.

But I'm not the President of PSU, so all I can do is evaluate. So far, I haven't seen anything that makes me turn cartwheels. I've seen some things that concern me. Without her record, I'd ignore them. With them, I worry.
 
Patience. It takes 20 years to write it.

If that's the case, I don't want to think of how long it will take to build it, and I don't have near enough computing power to calculate how much and how long it will take to pay for it.:eek:
 
Sharkies. Dude. Are you really operating under the impression that the stadium deal is what eff'ed Cal? We have not been to the Rose Bowl since January 1, 1959.

As for the stadium financing,. the debt can readily be refinanced it necessary. What really has to happen is that the Cal football program has to return to some level of competence and competitiveness. If that happens, season ticket sales and donations will rebound.
Cal will always have trouble because they have to compete with the NFL and other pro sports for the spectator sports dollar. This is true in major urban areas everywhere, the NFL rules. The Raiders are moving to Vegas but do you really see many Raider fans showing up to Cal Bear games? The 49ers will rule the Bay Area. Cal and Stanford are distant minor leagues.
 
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There are situations where debt cannot be refinanced in any case, let alone "readily be refinanced it necessary". Suppose the underlying security has been so devalued no sensible creditor would touch it?


Sorta where the State of Illinois is fast approaching!
 
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Literally that's the title of this article...

... The Bears now owe at least $18 million per year in interest-only payments on the stadium debt, and that number will balloon to at least $26 million per year in 2032 when Berkeley starts paying off the principal stadium cost. Payments will increase until they peak at $37 million per year in 2039, then subside again in 2051 before Berkeley will owe $81 million in 2053. After that, the school is on the hook for $75 million more and will have six decades to pay it off. The stadium might not get paid off until 2113, by which time, who knows, an earthquake could send the stadium back into the earth or football as we know it might be dead......


Let's hope we avoid this fiasco with our upcoming reno of the Beav coming up.

Anything California and economic sanity parted ways decades ago.
 
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Anything California and economic sanity parted ways decades ago.
I'll only say:


1 - If anyone thinks this can't happen here..... they are wrong (in fact, based on the trajectory of the last few years, the odds are significant.... and all the "pieces are in place" for just that occurrence)

2 - If anyone thinks the Cal situation can be rectified without a lot of pain - that there are any magic pills, like winning a bunch of football games - they have no idea what they are talking about.


Some folks - and they only had to be attentive and "non-stupid", not particularly prescient - could see this coming from way down the road.
 
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Yeah, I sure hope she doesn't make the same mistake at PSU. If there's extra money they can't spend from football, put it in the bank or give it to students for scholarships or whatever. Who needs a gold-plated press box and a pretty brick wall around the erector set.

The seismic issues made the upgrade necessary at Cal. But I'm not aware of Happy Valley experiencing earthquakes.
Fixing the seismic issues were about $15 Million (a drop in the bucket - FWIW)
It's a red herring

I have the engineers reports
 
That report is pretty accurate but, as discussed on the Cal Boards ad nauseum, the University could refinance the debt, if necessary, to delay the day of reckoning (i.e., the day on which principal starts being repaid in addition to interest). The long term solution is increasing top line income, through both ticket sales and donations.
It's already pushed out for One hundred Years....... they still gonna be playing on Memorial Stadium 100 years from now? With no more costs!
 
who the heck made that kind of loan? its clearly not sustainable. I have to suspect the reporting because that seems like lunacy both on the part of the lender and Cal.

At PSU, the issue is much different. If the JS situation only cost us an average of 10,000 less seats sold, I can't imagine what would be worse (in terms of finances). So we can pretty much count on 90,000 per game average. Add to that parking, food, TV, Big Ten participation and so on. PSU football is a cash cow. USC game tickets are going to $42 on stubhub. the other games are in the $30 range. PSU vs Pitt are minimum of $140. The worst (Akron) are in the $30 range.

Cal holds 60,000, the Beav holds 107,000. Doing the math, that's a lot of money.
 
Cal holds 60,000, the Beav holds 107,000. Doing the math, that's a lot of money.
My wife, who graduated from PSU in 1982, reacts with mild revulsion any time I refer to "the Beav." She insists that no one called it that, at least no one she knew when she was in school. I told her that term is used here by a number of posters. I wonder whether it is widely used or not.
 
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who the heck made that kind of loan? its clearly not sustainable. I have to suspect the reporting because that seems like lunacy both on the part of the lender and Cal.

At PSU, the issue is much different. If the JS situation only cost us an average of 10,000 less seats sold, I can't imagine what would be worse (in terms of finances). So we can pretty much count on 90,000 per game average. Add to that parking, food, TV, Big Ten participation and so on. PSU football is a cash cow. USC game tickets are going to $42 on stubhub. the other games are in the $30 range. PSU vs Pitt are minimum of $140. The worst (Akron) are in the $30 range.

Cal holds 60,000, the Beav holds 107,000. Doing the math, that's a lot of money.
The report is accurate

It's not that hard to get someone to buy a 100 year bond (make a loan), it takes a real idiot to use 100 year debt to finance the RENOVATION of a football stadium.
Exponentially worse when the debt is amortized to be principal level or increasing for the first two decades (IIRC)

But we know who's Genius Time plan that was

(In fact, it was worse than that...... this report didn't enter into the discussion of "margin investing", among other things. Probably because either the writer or his audience was unlikely to understand those issues)
 
My wife, who graduated from PSU in 1982, reacts with mild revulsion any time I refer to "the Beav." She insists that no one called it that, at least no one she knew when she was in school. I told her that term is used here by a number of posters. I wonder whether it is widely used or not.
just have her google it. its got its on wiki and all kinds of stuff. its named after Gov. James A. Beaver.
 
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Build a stadium on a fault line in a regulation-crazy state like California? Yeah, gonna be a expensive
 
My wife, who graduated from PSU in 1982, reacts with mild revulsion any time I refer to "the Beav." She insists that no one called it that, at least no one she knew when she was in school. I told her that term is used here by a number of posters. I wonder whether it is widely used or not.
I've never heard anyone call it "the Beav". I think that's just message board shorthand to save a few keystrokes. The same goes for "CJF", "BOB", etc. Maybe things have changed since I graduated in 1986.
 
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who the heck made that kind of loan? its clearly not sustainable. I have to suspect the reporting because that seems like lunacy both on the part of the lender and Cal.

At PSU, the issue is much different. If the JS situation only cost us an average of 10,000 less seats sold, I can't imagine what would be worse (in terms of finances). So we can pretty much count on 90,000 per game average. Add to that parking, food, TV, Big Ten participation and so on. PSU football is a cash cow. USC game tickets are going to $42 on stubhub. the other games are in the $30 range. PSU vs Pitt are minimum of $140. The worst (Akron) are in the $30 range.

Cal holds 60,000, the Beav holds 107,000. Doing the math, that's a lot of money.

Yes, the situations are different, but right now the surplus generated by the football program goes to fund other sports (or could go elsewhere). How are those sports funded if that surplus is earmarked for renovation of beaver Stadium?

It goes beyond that. On the table is a 20 year plan to redo virtually every athletic facility. If the conceptual renderings for Phase I are any indication, that will require a shitload of, using Barbour's own term, "philanthropy." What are the prospects for that?
 
Yes, the situations are different, but right now the surplus generated by the football program goes to fund other sports (or could go elsewhere). How are those sports funded if that surplus is earmarked for renovation of beaver Stadium?

It goes beyond that. On the table is a 20 year plan to redo virtually every athletic facility. If the conceptual renderings for Phase I are any indication, that will require a shitload of, using Barbour's own term, "philanthropy." What are the prospects for that?
Maybe they could find a complete douchebag with money, like T Boone Pickens (or maybe 2 or 3 such douchebags) to sell the University's Soul to.

Better make it 4........ inflation, you know
 
I don't mind a few renovations, but why a complete overhaul? The 3 tier design is a poor plan in my opinion. Take a look at the elevation of the highest tier. If you have a seat there, you are in a separate universe, with many seats higher than the highest of the north end zone. Your cheers will die in the wind. The players on your TV screen will be bigger. I hope a different design is approved. http://footballstadiumdigest.com/2017/03/penn-state-releases-beaver-stadium-renovation-details/
 
Yes, the situations are different, but right now the surplus generated by the football program goes to fund other sports (or could go elsewhere). How are those sports funded if that surplus is earmarked for renovation of beaver Stadium?

It goes beyond that. On the table is a 20 year plan to redo virtually every athletic facility. If the conceptual renderings for Phase I are any indication, that will require a shitload of, using Barbour's own term, "philanthropy." What are the prospects for that?
its a great point. one would hope that they feel the new facilities are part of an increased revenue opportunity. Secondly, the other funded programs are discretionary.
 
Let's roll the clock back to when DUMBSHIT, if someone will forgive me for stealing the term, was hired by PSU. I had no idea who she was, so I looked up her background. For the most part, her experience was what one might expect of someone that PSU would hire for the AD job. One unexpected thing was that she was fired from her previous job. Why did Cal fire her? Two reasons: a) she ****ed up the stadium retrofit project royally, and b) she fiddled while that grad rates of the football and men's basketball program went into the crapper.

If I'm a university president, I try to hire somebody without those stains on the resume and I certainly don't hire them with a mega pay boost.

But I'm not the President of PSU, so all I can do is evaluate. So far, I haven't seen anything that makes me turn cartwheels. I've seen some things that concern me. Without her record, I'd ignore them. With them, I worry.
B) now how many of those students athletes at Cal did Sandy admit?? I would guess none. If a school has academic problems with its athletes it's on the school not the AD not the FB/BB coach they don't admit anyone. And you know that
 
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