Cancun shooting

[Obliviax]

mexico has really defended Cancun to keep the tourist traffic up in the middle of ongoing drug wars. I am willing to bet, after yesterday's shootings, that a) Mexico really goes after the druggies in this area and b) rates will be cheap for the next few months.

Two 'drug dealers' dead after gunmen open fire at hotel in Cancun''

Two people believed to be drug dealers have reportedly died following a shooting at a five-star hotel in Cancun that is popular with American tourists.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[fastlax16]

Wow, that was on our list of possible babymoon locations earlier this year.

 

[Obliviax]

Wow, that was on our list of possible babymoon locations earlier this year.

I can't even imagine....a bunch of dudes roll up with AK 47s on a high-speed boat and start shooting up the five-star beach resort. That can't be good for business!

 

[psuaxe70]

I can't even imagine....a bunch of dudes roll up with AK 47s on a high-speed boat and start shooting up the five-star beach resort. That can't be good for business!

 

[psuaxe70]

When they told me it was all inclusive I didn’t think……..

 

[WPTLION]

Glad to see Cancun and DC have something in common. I was fortunate to be at Nationals Park the night of the drive by outside the stadium. Right after that the nationals traded everybody!

 

[Obliviax]

Glad to see Cancun and DC have something in common. I was fortunate to be at Nationals Park the night of the drive by outside the stadium. Right after that the nationals traded everybody!

Reminds me of when the Washington Bullets changed their name because the name brought to mind violence and bloodshed. A writer then posed that it would have been more appropriate to replace the "Washington" part of the name instead of the "bullets".

 

[indoorgolf]

mexico has really defended Cancun to keep the tourist traffic up in the middle of ongoing drug wars. I am willing to bet, after yesterday's shootings, that a) Mexico really goes after the druggies in this area and b) rates will be cheap for the next few months.

Two 'drug dealers' dead after gunmen open fire at hotel in Cancun''

Two people believed to be drug dealers have reportedly died following a shooting at a five-star hotel in Cancun that is popular with American tourists.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You have to be nuts to go to Mexico on vacation. I went to Acapulco several years ago and if you like soldiers walking around with MACHINE Guns on the beach it’s a nice place. A high school friend of mine and his wife were killed there after being robbed while driving on a road.

 

[dailybuck777]

mexico has really defended Cancun to keep the tourist traffic up in the middle of ongoing drug wars. I am willing to bet, after yesterday's shootings, that a) Mexico really goes after the druggies in this area and b) rates will be cheap for the next few months.

Two 'drug dealers' dead after gunmen open fire at hotel in Cancun''

Two people believed to be drug dealers have reportedly died following a shooting at a five-star hotel in Cancun that is popular with American tourists.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Since we have facto open borders and sanctuary cities where almost certainly the shooters would not be turned over to be deported, these are the types of people that can easily come into the United States and make a bigger profit.

 

[The Spin Meister]

You have to be nuts to go to Mexico on vacation. I went to Acapulco several years ago and if you like soldiers walking around with MACHINE Guns on the beach it’s a nice place. A high school friend of mine and his wife were killed there after being robbed while driving on a road.

Yep, no one should ever go to Mexico. They are not our allies. Far too corrupt.

 

[BringBackStoneys]

Yep, no one should ever go to Mexico. They are not our allies. Far too corrupt.

York, Harrisburg, and Chester all have higher murder rates than Cancun. Should we not go to Pennsylvania?

 

[The Spin Meister]

York, Harrisburg, and Chester all have higher murder rates than Cancun. Should we not go to Pennsylvania?

Does the Pa government allow massive drug cartels to freely operate? Does the Pa government aid illegals from other countries to pass through and enter other states? Does the Pa government encourage its people to leave, illegally get jobs elsewhere, and then send billions of dollars back every year?

 

[The Spin Meister]

Beheadings on beaches, bodies lies up, bystanders wounded. All in exclusive resorts that cater to the rich and bring in huge dollars to Mexico. Perhaps the federalis will finally take a stand. Don’t bet on it.

Inside world of Cancun's cartel wars as gangsters behead and torture rivals

FROM brutal beheadings to violent kidnappings, the cartel wars of Cancun have unleashed horror on Mexico’s Caribbean coast as gangsters wreak havoc yards away from luxury resorts. Violent dru…

www.the-sun.com

 

[KC-KS-Lion]

I can't even imagine....a bunch of dudes roll up with AK 47s on a high-speed boat and start shooting up the five-star beach resort. That can't be good for business!

Just in time for the Netflix release of the next Narcos Mexico. Maybe they're working on inspiration for the next or following seasons...don't want to run out of story lines and twists.

 

[Waltwam]

Does the Pa government allow massive drug cartels to freely operate? Does the Pa government aid illegals from other countries to pass through and enter other states? Does the Pa government encourage its people to leave, illegally get jobs elsewhere, and then send billions of dollars back every year?

The answers are yes, yes, and sometimes!!!! 😉🤣🙄

 

[Cosmos]

You have to be nuts to go to Mexico on vacation. I went to Acapulco several years ago and if you like soldiers walking around with MACHINE Guns on the beach it’s a nice place. A high school friend of mine and his wife were killed there after being robbed while driving on a road.

Broken country just to our south. Yes? Well then, you might want to tighten up that border lest more violence come here. Just a thought.

 

[Cosmos]

Does the Pa government allow massive drug cartels to freely operate? Does the Pa government aid illegals from other countries to pass through and enter other states? Does the Pa government encourage its people to leave, illegally get jobs elsewhere, and then send billions of dollars back every year?

No, but it's working on it.

 

[SR108]

mexico has really defended Cancun to keep the tourist traffic up in the middle of ongoing drug wars. I am willing to bet, after yesterday's shootings, that a) Mexico really goes after the druggies in this area and b) rates will be cheap for the next few months.

Two 'drug dealers' dead after gunmen open fire at hotel in Cancun''

Two people believed to be drug dealers have reportedly died following a shooting at a five-star hotel in Cancun that is popular with American tourists.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The drug cartels control the Mexican government as well as our southern border. I doubt that this incident changes anything.

 

[Obliviax]

The drug cartels control the Mexican government as well as our southern border. I doubt that this incident changes anything.

They have always kept Cancun clean because of the tourist revenue. One of two things is about to change. First, Cancun becomes a shit hole. Or there will be a war. The pact between the govt and gangs has been violated

there will be blood

 

[SR108]

There may be a temporary show of force, but nothing will change in the long run. The cartels out finance and out gun the Mexican government. I’m beginning to think they have quite a few US politicians in their pockets as well.

 

[LaJollaLion]

Well the good news is the US's War on Drugs ended this all years back and our politicians never take money from interest groups that have a hand in gun violence here in the US and across the border.

 

[Steve G]

mexico has really defended Cancun to keep the tourist traffic up in the middle of ongoing drug wars. I am willing to bet, after yesterday's shootings, that a) Mexico really goes after the druggies in this area and b) rates will be cheap for the next few months.

Two 'drug dealers' dead after gunmen open fire at hotel in Cancun''

Two people believed to be drug dealers have reportedly died following a shooting at a five-star hotel in Cancun that is popular with American tourists.

www.dailymail.co.uk

January-April concert season win the beach there. Playing in the Sand in January. Is a great time and great place to watch a concert, ducking bullets might make it more challenging

 

[GreggK]

mexico has really defended Cancun to keep the tourist traffic up in the middle of ongoing drug wars. I am willing to bet, after yesterday's shootings, that a) Mexico really goes after the druggies in this area and b) rates will be cheap for the next few months.

Two 'drug dealers' dead after gunmen open fire at hotel in Cancun''

Two people believed to be drug dealers have reportedly died following a shooting at a five-star hotel in Cancun that is popular with American tourists.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It would also help if Americans stopped buying drugs.

In fact, if they stopped buying drugs, the cartels would cease to exist.

 

[Obliviax]

It would also help if Americans stopped buying drugs.

yeah. but a much larger problem.

 

[GreggK]

yeah. but a much larger problem.

It IS the problem. You won't stop the cartels if you don't stop the addiction.
Even if you stop the Mexican cartels, you will then have them shift somewhere else,
Venuzuela, Columbia, Brazil etc etc.

While I do agree the Mexican government is corrupt to the core, WE are the problem here.

 

[Obliviax]

January-April concert season win the beach there. Playing in the Sand in January. Is a great time and great place to watch a concert, ducking bullets might make it more challenging

I don't disagree at all. However, I think the govt will move to cordon off certain "safe zones" and the resort area of Cancun needs to be one of those. If the govt can't do it, I am sure that there are "families" in Mexico that own those Marriott, Hyatt, and other franchises that will take a proactive hand in protecting those properties. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that those families employ the thugs that shot up the Hyatt and just didn't know it. The drug money has to be put into some asset in order to launder it.

 

[Obliviax]

It IS the problem. You won't stop the cartels if you don't stop the addiction.
Even if you stop the Mexican cartels, you will then have them shift somewhere else,
Venuzuela, Columbia, Brazil etc etc.

While I do agree the Mexican government is corrupt to the core, WE are the problem here.

I really don't agree. The world is the problem, not just us. And, Mexico is simply the entry point for most of the harder core drugs. With today's transportation, if we shut down the spigot from Mexico, it will just come in via some other channel. Just way too much demand and money to be made.

And we've been fighting this problem for several decades. We will never win the war on drugs. many nations, if you want to buy illegal drugs and kill yourself, will hold your coke spoon for you. If you die, just one less drain on society. We, for some reason, think we can fix everything. We can't.

 

[GreggK]

I really don't agree. The world is the problem, not just us. And, Mexico is simply the entry point for most of the harder core drugs. With today's transportation, if we shut down the spigot from Mexico, it will just come in via some other channel. Just way too much demand and money to be made.

And we've been fighting this problem for several decades. We will never win the war on drugs. many nations, if you want to buy illegal drugs and kill yourself, will hold your coke spoon for you. If you die, just one less drain on society. We, for some reason, think we can fix everything. We can't.

Not sure you really do disagree with me. Your first paragraph basically agreed with me about shutting down Mexico. And not sure I disagree with anything else you said.

 

[Steve G]

It would also help if Americans stopped buying drugs.

In fact, if they stopped buying drugs, the cartels would cease to exist.

why not legalize drugs and take the black market premium out of the business? American never going to stop buying drugs, never going to happen, so maybe come at it from the other direction

 

[GreggK]

why not legalize drugs and take the black market premium out of the business? American never going to stop buying drugs, never going to happen, so maybe come at it from the other direction

I don't disagree with this either. I think it would need to be done in the way a place like Holland or the Nordic countries do it, where help is given when wanted, but yeah, cut out the middle man.

 

[SR108]

It would also help if Americans stopped buying drugs.

In fact, if they stopped buying drugs, the cartels would cease to exist.

You think? Just. Americans buying drugs? It could help if we actually had a secure border.

 

[Obliviax]

why not legalize drugs and take the black market premium out of the business? American never going to stop buying drugs, never going to happen, so maybe come at it from the other direction

Well. Food and drug admin would be kaput. Talk about horse dewormer and pain meds being abused. It's a drug free for all!!!

 

[SR108]

why not legalize drugs and take the black market premium out of the business? American never going to stop buying drugs, never going to happen, so maybe come at it from the other direction

You want to legalize fentanyl, opiates, and coke? That's whats coming in. Pot has been legalized and decriminalized throughout the US and it has not stopped the black market because government regulations and taxes have made black market pot cheaper than regulated pot.

Good luck with stopping demand as long as we have an open border, we will have a free flow of cheap drugs coming across the border with the undocumented refugees.

 

[GreggK]

Well. Food and drug admin would be kaput. Talk about horse dewormer and pain meds being abused. It's a drug free for all!!!

I am not sure what the answer is, but let me say that, I was born in Johnstown PA and lived around Altoona when I was a kid. Then in my teenage years, I worked in Red Hook Brooklyn and around NYC. Back in the early 90s in Brooklyn, I remember driving down Hamilton Ave. and seeing huge lines in front of the methadone clinics and zombies walking the streets around 5am when I was on my way to work.

Now, when I go to those parts of Brooklyn its Tesla's and Maseratis. Even today, despite what those cheering on the demise of NYC want to spine it.

Meanwhile though, you have zombies and clinics now in places like Altoona and Johnstown. It's really sad to see.

It is hard to say what the answer is, but whatever we are doing right now isn't working.

 

[Obliviax]

I am not sure what the answer is, but let me say that, I was born in Johnstown PA and lived around Altoona when I was a kid. Then in my teenage years, I worked in Red Hook Brooklyn and around NYC. Back in the early 90s in Brooklyn, I remember driving down Hamilton Ave. and seeing huge lines in front of the methadone clinics and zombies walking the streets around 5am when I was on my way to work.

Now, when I go to those parts of Brooklyn its Tesla's and Maseratis. Even today, despite what those cheering on the demise of NYC want to spine it.

Meanwhile though, you have zombies and clinics now in places like Altoona and Johnstown. It's really sad to see.

It is hard to say what the answer is, but whatever we are doing right now isn't working.

all great points, greggk. My take is that if people want to kill themselves, there isn't much you can do about it. But you also don't want to be handing them a gun.

I see decriminalization usage of illegal drugs. Go after those making and selling. But if someone is a drug addict, it is up to his/her family. Some will say crime will go up. In the end, you let them die off. Doing what we are doing is not only NOT helping, but hurting those who can use the resources as an investment and not flushing it down the toilet. I am sure that there are those who feel that is mean-spirited, but I feel that you help people that can and will help themselves. You've got to make deposits if you need to make withdrawals.

 

[SR108]

"I see decriminalization usage of illegal drugs. Go after those making and selling."

Agreed, Along with actually securing our border so the cartels don't control it.

It's not just drugs that the cartels are trafficking currently.

 

[Obliviax]

Agreed, Along with actually securing our border so the cartels don't control it.

A secured border is key....then you move to planes and boats which would drive up the costs. But there are politicians that are more focused on illegal immigrants than US citizens...so...there it is.

 

[Steve G]

Agreed, Along with actually securing our border so the cartels don't control it.

how much money has this country spent since Richard Nixon declared a war on drugs on trying to interdict drugs at the border? "Securing the border" in your words? How effective has it been? And what if anything did that do to demand for drugs here? If you could emphasis on could "secure the border" meth cook and PCP cooks and chyna white cooks all over the country would be back in business.

 

[Obliviax]

how much money has this country spent is nee Richard Nixon declared a war on drugs on trying to interdict drugs at the border? "Securing the border" in your words? How effective has it been? And what if anything did that do to demand for drugs here? If you could emphasis on could "secure the border" meth cook and PCP cooks and chyna white cooks all over the country would be back in business.

well, Nixon's "war" was a multi-front war. What I believe needs be done is to pull in many of those initiatives (like going after simple users) and focusing on more effective strategies (like closing the border). It is a priority and resource issue.

 

[SR108]

how much money has this country spent is nee Richard Nixon declared a war on drugs on trying to interdict drugs at the border? "Securing the border" in your words? How effective has it been? And what if anything did that do to demand for drugs here? If you could emphasis on could "secure the border" meth cook and PCP cooks and chyna white cooks all over the country would be back in business.

What is your plan for reducing demand? making pot legal has only increased the number of teenagers now using pot.