Checking out the O-Zone.

[Howie'81]

Many of them can't accept that they lost to Penn State. Say we're a ho hum team. We'll lose a couple more, blah, blah, blah.

Well if all that's true, then how bad must Ohio State suck, turning their own words against them?

Hey Bucknuts! Penn State whipped you. The final gun sounded! You've been beaten.

Stop acting like the Black Knight in Monty Python's In Search of the Holy Grail! Link below.


https://youtu.be/2eMkth8FWno

 

[uscgPSU]

They better hope we don't lose a bunch of our remaining games because that loss is gonna look even worse. I imagine if you have to lose late in the season you want to be to a team that is as good as possible.

 

[Howie'81]

They better hope we don't lose a bunch of our remaining games because that loss is gonna look even worse. I imagine if you have to lose late in the season you want to be to a team that is as good as possible.

They're fans are too dumb to recognize that.

 

[Nashville Lion]

I hope Ohio State wins out and they should hope we win out....it looks better for both of our teams. I want them to be good so that win look credible for us....because whatever they think...we won because we are....

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

Meh. Who cares. It's not changing the record book.

(Only Marky Mark Emmert can change the record book).

 

[Nitwit]

Act like you've been there before. No reason to gloat. Beat Purdue.

 

[Howie'81]

Meh. Who cares. It's not changing the record book.

(Only Marky Mark Emmert can change the record book).

Until you take him to court. Then he changes it back.

 

[Howie'81]

Act like you've been there before. No reason to gloat. Beat Purdue.

Wasn't gloating. Was just reading. Sorry ass losers.

 

[Lion8286]

They are slowly coming to realize that Penn State may have Urban's number. That 2 out of the last 3 years Penn State has won or should have won and have done so with what, on paper, is a less talented roster.

 

[Fayette_LION]

I hope Ohio State wins out and they should hope we win out....it looks better for both of our teams. I want them to be good so that win look credible for us....because whatever they think...we won because we are....

Hey Nashville, I saw an SUV parked outside the stadium with Nashville Nittany Lions on it. Were you part of the group?

 

[GastonLion]

My concern is that OSU loses a few more games this year and that our win, in retrospect, will be less impressive.

 

[SR108]

Many of them can't accept that they lost to Penn State. Say we're a ho hum team. We'll lose a couple more, blah, blah, blah.

Well if all that's true, then how bad must Ohio State suck, turning their own words against them?

Hey Bucknuts! Penn State whipped you. The final gun sounded! You've been beaten.

Stop acting like the Black Knight in Monty Python's In Search of the Holy Grail! Link below.

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I think we are better than ho hum and getting better, especially on Defense. The offensive line still has room for improvement, but the style of offense has helped. They are correct however, in that we could lose a couple more games, be we also could possibly run the tables as well. Should make for an interesting five games.

 

[PSUCYCLING]

If they know what's good for them, they need us to win out, and Michigan to win until they play them. They would have a pretty good resume for a 1 loss team.

- win at Oklahoma
- win on the road against a strong Wisconsin team
- tough loss on the road to 10-2 PSU
- win against a 11-1 Michigan
- win in the BIG CG

That's a strong argument for the committee.

 

[Lion78]

Meh. Who cares. It's not changing the record book.

(Only Marky Mark Emmert can change the record book).

Turns out only temporarily.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Many of them can't accept that they lost to Penn State. Say we're a ho hum team. We'll lose a couple more, blah, blah, blah.

Well if all that's true, then how bad must Ohio State suck, turning their own words against them?

Hey Bucknuts! Penn State whipped you. The final gun sounded! You've been beaten.

Stop acting like the Black Knight in Monty Python's In Search of the Holy Grail! Link below.

View embedded media

We did not "whip" them. We were losing until we got a long-overdue, fortuitous bounce off a blocked FG attempt that allowed us to take the lead. A great win, but let's not label it as a "whipping".

 

[Lion8286]

We did not "whip" them. We were losing until we got a long-overdue, fortuitous bounce off a blocked FG attempt that allowed us to take the lead. A great win, but let's not label it as a "whipping".

Oh crap, another PPB?? They're multiplying.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Oh crap, another PPB?? They're multiplying.

Just wait for our exponential procreation. At first there's only 2, then....

 

[Howie'81]

We did not "whip" them. We were losing until we got a long-overdue, fortuitous bounce off a blocked FG attempt that allowed us to take the lead. A great win, but let's not label it as a "whipping".

Bullshit. 6 sacks. Shut out last 23 minutes. Couldn't get anything going with 4.5 minutes left. They were whipped.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Do they not realize that we competed last year and beat 'em again in 2014?

 

[LAVAR!!!1]

If they know what's good for them, they need us to win out, and Michigan to win until they play them. They would have a pretty good resume for a 1 loss team.

- win at Oklahoma
- win on the road against a strong Wisconsin team
- tough loss on the road to 10-2 PSU
- win against a 11-1 Michigan
- win in the BIG CG

That's a strong argument for the committee.

We have the tiebreaker HTH vs the Buckeyes. Wouldn't Michigan have the 3 way tiebreaker? If so, how is THE ohio state going to the CG?

 

[bjf1991]

We have the tiebreaker HTH vs the Buckeyes. Wouldn't Michigan have the 3 way tiebreaker? If so, how is THE ohio state going to the CG?

if PSU wins out, and UM goes unbeaten to the OSU game..........OSU would win the tie breaker...... If they beat UM

The three way tie breaker first begins by eliminating one team - - in this case PSU ( due to the loss to Pitt)
OSU would then win the tie breaker over UM (by beating UM)


FWIW - the only reasonable way for PSU to go to the CCG is for UM to lose one between now and then - and then OSU beat UM..... Then PSU would win the head to head tie breaker w OSU

GO SPARTY!!!!!!!!!

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

We did not "whip" them. We were losing until we got a long-overdue, fortuitous bounce off a blocked FG attempt that allowed us to take the lead. A great win, but let's not label it as a "whipping".

If anyone got fortuitous bounces, it was the buckeyes. The blocked punt had Apke in position to scoop and score but the bounce was just a little off. Their muffed punt that bounced right to their own player early while our punt coverage was all around was very lucky and would have likely had them instead of us playing from behind. In the first half, it seemed as though the bounces were going their way.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

We have the tiebreaker HTH vs the Buckeyes. Wouldn't Michigan have the 3 way tiebreaker? If so, how is THE ohio state going to the CG?

Don't believe you have that correct. If PSU, daO$U and scUM all tie in b1g East @ 8-1 in conference play (i.e., daO$U beats SCUM), daO$U would win 3-way tie-breaker I believe (PSU eliminated on overall record - i.e., 2 losses versus 1 for other two teams and daO$U holds advantage over scUM).

 

[PSUArnie]

If they know what's good for them, they need us to win out, and Michigan to win until they play them. They would have a pretty good resume for a 1 loss team.

- win at Oklahoma
- win on the road against a strong Wisconsin team
- tough loss on the road to 10-2 PSU
- win against a 11-1 Michigan
- win in the BIG CG

That's a strong argument for the committee.

If OSU wins out, they're a lock for the 4 team playoff.

 

[baircub1!]

if PSU wins out, and UM goes unbeaten to the OSU game..........OSU would win the tie breaker...... If they beat UM

The three way tie breaker first begins by eliminating one team - - in this case PSU ( due to the loss to Pitt)
OSU would then win the tie breaker over UM (by beating UM)


FWIW - the only reasonable way for PSU to go to the CCG is for UM to lose one between now and then - and then OSU beat UM..... Then PSU would win the head to head tie breaker w OSU

GO SPARTY!!!!!!!!!

But if Michigan and PSU both have just two losses in the scenario you mentioned... Michigan would still go because they beat us head to head... Yes?

We have to have OSU lose another but beat Michigan... But Michigan to lose a total of 3 games... Yes?

Not going to happen but hey... You never know ?!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Bullshit. 6 sacks. Shut out last 23 minutes. Couldn't get anything going with 4.5 minutes left. They were whipped.

Also shutout daO$U for the first 25 minutes of play defensively as daO$U's first 3 points came via a muffled punt TO deep in PSU territory and PSU defense stoned them for just the FG (you can't hang that FG on the PSU defense). So the PSU defense really held their offense in check for the first 25 minutes and last 23 minutes of a 60 minute game. IOW, the PSU defense stopped the daO$U offense on each of their first 5 possessions - the 4th possession being the freebie possession via Reid's muffed punt TO...daO$U was not really able to do anything with it and kicked FG on 5th play after TO. PSU drove length to daO$U 21 on first possession and muffed the exchange on FG attempt. Then punted next 5 possessions and scored on last possession of 1st Half. Hard to qualify that as domination as score would have been 10-10 without Reid's muffed punt TO and the two exchange muffs on PSU FG attempt & daO$U PAT.

In second half daO$U punted or stopped on downs on 5 of their 7 possessions. PSU only had 5 possessions and punted on threel of them. So daO$U was really stopped on 10 of their 14 possessions by the PSU defense (again, you can't blame D for a muffed punt reception that gives daO$U the ball deep in our territory & they hold them to a FG). daO$U held PSU's offense in check on 9 of 12 possessions including FG after PSU blocked punt. Clearly a defensive oriented game but absurd to claim daO$U "dominated" the game - beyond absurd.

 

[Rollin Stone]

UM needs to have 2 conference losses before we are ahead of them in the tiebreaker. That way our head to head match up isn't part of the tiebreaker.

That's why if UM's only lost is to OSU, It would be a head to head tiebreaker between UM and OSU. Because in that scenario you would have 3 team with 1 conference loss. They would at overall winning %, we have 2 losses, so we would get knocked out. Then you would just have the 2 teams left which would revert back to head to head between UM and OSU.

 

[jwinslow]

They better hope we don't lose a bunch of our remaining games because that loss is gonna look even worse. I imagine if you have to lose late in the season you want to be to a team that is as good as possible.

It's literally the middle game of the season, assuming they win out, play in the CCG and the committee is actually analyzing when they lost. If they're not in the playoff picture, then it really doesn't matter.

 

[jwinslow]

But if Michigan and PSU both have just two losses in the scenario you mentioned... Michigan would still go because they beat us head to head... Yes?

We have to have OSU lose another but beat Michigan... But Michigan to lose a total of 3 games... Yes?

Not going to happen but hey... You never know ?!

If everyone wins out, except...

UM loses to OSU: 3 teams with 1 loss, PSU is the worst for multiple reasons. OSU would go to the CCG.

UM loses to MSU & OSU: 2 teams with 1 loss (OSU & PSU), PSU goes with the head to head CCG.

The pitt loss only matters in the first scenario. It does not matter in the second.


Michigan must lose twice for PSU to have a shot.

 

[KnightSlayer]

But if Michigan and PSU both have just two losses in the scenario you mentioned... Michigan would still go because they beat us head to head... Yes?

We have to have OSU lose another but beat Michigan... But Michigan to lose a total of 3 games... Yes?

Not going to happen but hey... You never know ?!

No, because Michigan's two losses would be in Big Ten play.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No, because Michigan's two losses would be in Big Ten play.

Correct, only PSU and daO$U would be tied for the b1g East Title in that scenario with 8-1 Conference Records (5-1 East Division records) - scUM would be in third place in the East with a 7-2 conference record and 4-2 East Division record.

BTW, anyone else think it is stupid that the first determinant is not Division Record by itself rather than overall In-Conference Record including X-over games? Wisconsin is getting screwed in the West - they will be behind UNL even if they beat them and remain undefeated in b1g West play because their X-over games included both daO$U and scUM who are at the top of the b1g East??? IOW, if Wisconsin beats UNL this weekend, they could very likely be the only team to go 6-0 in b1g West play and still not be the West Division representative in the CCG???

 

[Rollin Stone]

Correct, only PSU and daO$U would be tied for the b1g East Title in that scenario with 8-1 Conference Records (5-1 East Division records) - scUM would be in third place in the East with a 7-2 conference record and 4-2 East Division record.

BTW, anyone else think it is stupid that the first determinant is not Division Record by itself rather than overall In-Conference Record including X-over games? Wisconsin is getting screwed in the West - they will be behind UNL even if they beat them and remain undefeated in b1g West play because their X-over games included both daO$U and scUM who are at the top of the b1g East??? IOW, if Wisconsin beats UNL this weekend, they could very likely be the only team to go 6-0 in b1g West play and still not be the West Division representative in the CCG???

I agree and there should be some explanation as to why divisional record isn't in there before conference.

I'm sure that the powers that be, may have thought this out and have a reason for it. But there is some credence that divisional record be taken into consideration.

My guess it could be a black eye either way, how's it look if Neb has a better conference record than Whisky but doesn't go to the BCG.

Personally I would rather see Whisky get another shot at or OSU.

 

[jwinslow]

BTW, anyone else think it is stupid that the first determinant is not Division Record by itself rather than overall In-Conference Record including X-over games? Wisconsin is getting screwed in the West - they will be behind UNL even if they beat them and remain undefeated in b1g West play because their X-over games included both daO$U and scUM who are at the top of the b1g East??? IOW, if Wisconsin beats UNL this weekend, they could very likely be the only team to go 6-0 in b1g West play and still not be the West Division representative in the CCG???

No. It would be quite stupid if a team was allowed to lose all of their cross-division games but go undefeated in their division and still win their division.

Infrequent fretting over inequal cross-divisional schedules is not enough reason to set up that kind of backwards system

 

[PSUMATT85]

But if Michigan and PSU both have just two losses in the scenario you mentioned... Michigan would still go because they beat us head to head... Yes?

We have to have OSU lose another but beat Michigan... But Michigan to lose a total of 3 games... Yes?

Not going to happen but hey... You never know ?!

BC -

Only need two, as one of ours is out of conference.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No. It would be quite stupid if a team was allowed to lose all of their cross-division games but go undefeated in their division and still win their division.

Really? So UNL should go over Wisconsin in the West despite losing to them, having an inferior Division Record and is only going because they played easier X-over Conference games??? UNL's X-over games are Indiana, Maryland and daOSU, while Wisconsin's were scUM, daO$U and MSU - how on earth do you think record in X-over games against "uncommon" opponents should be more important than each team's record in the West Division against COMMON OPPONENTS??? Wisconsin could go 6-0 in West Division play and still not go to the CCG while a team they beat in Division play goes.....and that makes perfect sense to you???

 

[jwinslow]

Really? So UNL should go over Wisconsin in the West despite losing to them, having an inferior Division Record and is only going because they played easier X-over Conference games??? UNL's X-over games are Indiana, Maryland and daOSU, while Wisconsin's were scUM, daO$U and MSU - how on earth do you think record in X-over games against "uncommon" opponents should be more important than each team's record in the West Division against COMMON OPPONENTS??? Wisconsin could go 6-0 in West Division play and still not go to the CCG while a team they beat in Division play goes.....and that makes perfect sense to you???

You sure set up a lot of strawmen. My point was quite simple and resembled none of yours.

All of the games matter, not just the ones that fit your narrative in a very specific year. It would be reckless to set up a system that makes cross-divisional games into preseason games that don't count. Because life isn't fair, you're proposing to construct a system where UW is allowed to lose every single cross-divisional game but still make the CCG if they win all of their divisional games. That's much worse than asking UW to win the games on their schedule.

If you want a competent solution, move to a pod system (which I think they will after the next round of expansion). Then everyone plays the same teams, other than perhaps a protected rivalry game.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No. It would be quite stupid if a team was allowed to lose all of their cross-division games but go undefeated in their division and still win their division.

Infrequent fretting over inequal cross-divisional schedules is not enough reason to set up that kind of backwards system

Really? So UNL should go over Wisconsin in the West despite losing to them, having an inferior Division Record and is only going because they played easier X-over Conference games??? UNL's X-over games are Indiana, Maryland and daOSU, while Wisconsin's were scUM, daO$U and MSU - how on earth do you think record in X-over games against "uncommon" opponents should be more important than each team's record in the West Division against COMMON OPPONENTS??? Wisconsin could go 6-0 in West Division play and still not go to the CCG while a team they beat in Division play goes.....and that makes perfect sense to you???

BTW, what's the point of having separate Divisions and 100% Division Play if it really is meaningless at the end of the day (i.e., going undefeated in Division Play guarantees you nothing???). Show me any other sports league where this is the way it works - not MLB, not NFL, etc... Why not count non-conference games and just go by overall record for that matter??? It makes the same logical sense as ignoring Divisional Record against "common" opponents and allowing X-over games against "uncommon" opponents determine the Division winner.....

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You sure set up a lot of strawmen. My point was quite simple and resembled none of yours.

All of the games matter, not just the ones that fit your narrative in a very specific year. It would be reckless to set up a system that makes cross-divisional games into preseason games that don't count. Because life isn't fair, you're proposing to construct a system where UW is allowed to lose every single cross-divisional game but still make the CCG if they win all of their divisional games. That's much worse than asking UW to win the games on their schedule.

If you want a competent solution, move to a pod system (which I think they will after the next round of expansion). Then everyone plays the same teams, other than perhaps a protected rivalry game.

That's utter nonsense - especially from a "logic" standpoint. X-over games are no more "in-season" games than OOC games and NONE of them are "preseason" games contrary to your made-up, bull$hit argument, which is not a legitimate argument of any kind. According to your absurd logic, OOC games should be counted and they should just go by overall record because "all of the games are important".....and ignoring OOC games turns them into "pre-season games"....blah, blah, blah.......word vomit, illogical, bull$hit, false crap-argument, after crap-argument. A team that goes undefeated IN DIVISION PLAY when all Division Teams play each other (i.e., record against common opponents) and does not win THE DIVISION is ILLOGICAL to the EXTREME!

 

[sluggo72]

BTW, what's the point of having separate Divisions and 100% Division Play if it really is meaningless at the end of the day (i.e., going undefeated in Division Play guarantees you nothing???). Show me any other sports league where this is the way it works - not MLB, not NFL, etc... Why not count non-conference games and just go by overall record for that matter??? It makes the same logical sense as ignoring Divisional Record against "common" opponents and allowing X-over games against "uncommon" opponents determine the Division winner.....

huh? you can go undefeated in your division in the NFL and not make the playoffs.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Nebraska still has to play Ohio State. If the Buckeyes win that, then the winner of the Husker-Badger game this weekend will most likely win the West.