Clarion getting new wrestling facility
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That is a shame. Perfect example of why there is no affordable education option in PA. They are about to dump $43 million into a gym at a school that many are calling for it to be closed down. To put that in perspective that is $10,000 per student! That is even more then their entire endowment ($31 million).
Your math is correct, but I think your statement is very misleading.
Your research to find current enrollment (4,330 undergrad, which does not include approx. 900 grad students), should have also showed that Tippin Gymnasium is over 45 years old now.
If the new renovation lasts 45 years, and enrollment (undergrad only) stays comparable, that $43 million cost then works out to $220 per student.
If you've seen Tippin, it was due for repairs.
I do agree that college education costs are skyrocketing out of control.
No dog in this discussion, but is it really fair to boil this down to a one-year, cost-per-student figure? The website says..."The project is being funded, designed, and constructed by the Department of General Services of the Commonwealth."
So, Clarion University is getting support from the PA Commonwealth, right? And there's likely some wealthy alumni contributing too, right? Don't know those answers, only saying that $43 Million projects aren't tackled through student tuition support.
So, Clarion University is getting support from the PA Commonwealth, right? And there's likely some wealthy alumni contributing too, right? Don't know those answers, only saying that $43 Million projects aren't tackled through student tuition support.
Tearing down the gym means a more expensive replacement. Can't have it both ways. If the objection is to yet another college campus Taj Mahal, regardless of new vs. retrofit, agreed -- but that's a separate point.
Endowment size is irrelevant, only means Clarion alumni don't donate and the school has not developed corporate relations.
And it's a cause of unaffordable tuition, but well behind socio-political forces artificially driving up demand, the explosion of administrative bloat, and decades of university presidents who saw no reason to contain costs (especially when they could dump costs back onto students thru federally guaranteed loans, no skin off the school's back if the degree is worthless).
They average about 300 per game. I think they could have built a facility to hold that many for well under $43 million. Did they really need an all glass auxiliary gym as part of the renovation? Did they need a recreation pool as part of the renovation? All this at a college that some are proposing to close down.
Your last paragraph perfectly sums up why college is so expensive. Saw the same rational in a newspaper editorial in of all places Ithaca, NY on a college visit about 5 years ago.
With the news that some of those state schools are in dire financial straits, I think we're in the beginning of the college inflation bubble bursting. From 1985 until 2011, CPI went up 114%. During that same time, the college inflation rate went up 498%.
It may not burst as quickly as something like housing, but it is going to burst, and it is going to hurt a lot of people, except, likely, the college administrators and tenured faculty that have benefited from it.
It may not burst as quickly as something like housing, but it is going to burst, and it is going to hurt a lot of people, except, likely, the college administrators and tenured faculty that have benefited from it.
Can you give us some examples of “...at a college some are proposing to close down.”? First I’ve heard of this.
I was wondering too, so I googled. With the state cutting funding they were talking about closing some of the state schools.
Whatever proposals are out there ... Edinboro and Clarion both have 96% acceptance rate. Even if they are taking in a large number of night school adults, that's a crazy high rate. They're barely filling the rooms. It's a bad financial sign.
Do you think that there is a way to move the BJC to Clarion 
I agree with the rising cost of tuition. To me it comes down to the "lenders" (whoever they may be) handing out $$$ so easily. If the lenders hand it out the schools will take it very happily.
I agree with the rising cost of tuition. To me it comes down to the "lenders" (whoever they may be) handing out $$$ so easily. If the lenders hand it out the schools will take it very happily.
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