Cleveland Browns new stadium

[Obliviax]

They leave the lakefront allowing for better lakefront development. This is right next to the CLE airport where the Ford Engine Plant used to be so it is largely abandoned land. there is about a 75% chance this gets done. The city kind of phoned in a $500k restoration but I am told that this was to appease voters. The city likes the idea of getting the lakefront land.

Having gone to the Peach Bowl, I was shocked at what a great fan experience they provided. I know people that flew into ATL the morning of that noon game, took the MARTA, saw the entire game, then caught a 6:00+ pm flight home. I stayed at an airport hotel (on points) and bought a $9 week MARTA ticket. My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

 

[The Spin Meister]

They leave the lakefront allowing for better lakefront development. This is right next to the CLE airport where the Ford Engine Plant used to be so it is largely abandoned land. there is about a 75% chance this gets done. The city kind of phoned in a $500k restoration but I am told that this was to appease voters. The city likes the idea of getting the lakefront land.

Having gone to the Peach Bowl, I was shocked at what a great fan experience they provided. I know people that flew into ATL the morning of that noon game, took the MARTA, saw the entire game, then caught a 6:00+ pm flight home. I stayed at an airport hotel (on points) and bought a $9 week MARTA ticket. My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

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How old is current stadium? Didn’t they build it to get a new Browns franchise?

 

[Obliviax]

How old is current stadium? Didn’t they build it to get a new Browns franchise?

1999 I think. They broke ground in 1997. They made a big mistake rushing it through to capture a franchise after hammering the NFL the way they allowed Art Model to leave. But it was always stupid to have a stadium on the lake where any other development would be worth a lot more. It is right next to the R&R hall of fame and great lakes science museum. They can build condos there and get much more revenue from taxes. The new location will be right next to the airport which will allow much better access and even more development. It will be modeled after MB Stadium in ATL so that people can fly in and out. Unlike MBS, it will come with development for hotels, restaurants and condos. Since the land is abandoned, it is a great investment and will yield 12 month events like Tay-tay class concerts, monster trucks, rodeos, and more.

Having said that, it is just as good as the Steelers or Ravens stadiums. They are in need of about $500m so the question is to put a bandaid on the old stadium for the same events and fan experience or spend $2B for a much better facility.

 

[Vic Vaselino]

As A kid we lived near the airport, just off Rocky River drive. Moved to PA when the jet service started.

 

[NedFromYork]

They leave the lakefront allowing for better lakefront development. This is right next to the CLE airport where the Ford Engine Plant used to be so it is largely abandoned land. there is about a 75% chance this gets done. The city kind of phoned in a $500k restoration but I am told that this was to appease voters. The city likes the idea of getting the lakefront land.

Having gone to the Peach Bowl, I was shocked at what a great fan experience they provided. I know people that flew into ATL the morning of that noon game, took the MARTA, saw the entire game, then caught a 6:00+ pm flight home. I stayed at an airport hotel (on points) and bought a $9 week MARTA ticket. My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

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What is the hype music? I want it in my Spotify list.

 

[The Spin Meister]

They leave the lakefront allowing for better lakefront development. This is right next to the CLE airport where the Ford Engine Plant used to be so it is largely abandoned land. there is about a 75% chance this gets done. The city kind of phoned in a $500k restoration but I am told that this was to appease voters. The city likes the idea of getting the lakefront land.

Having gone to the Peach Bowl, I was shocked at what a great fan experience they provided. I know people that flew into ATL the morning of that noon game, took the MARTA, saw the entire game, then caught a 6:00+ pm flight home. I stayed at an airport hotel (on points) and bought a $9 week MARTA ticket. My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

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What do they want for naming rights? Spin Meister Stadium has a nice ring to it!😻

 

[Obliviax]

What is the hype music? I want it in my Spotify list.

Beer barrel polka

 

[Wandering Spectator]

My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

And you still paid too much for that game 😉

My blood is still boiling from that trip.

 

[mcruny42]

The lack of lake front development in Cleveland always confused me. Seems like such a missed opportunity.

 

[Lion_Backer]

They leave the lakefront allowing for better lakefront development. This is right next to the CLE airport where the Ford Engine Plant used to be so it is largely abandoned land. there is about a 75% chance this gets done. The city kind of phoned in a $500k restoration but I am told that this was to appease voters. The city likes the idea of getting the lakefront land.

Having gone to the Peach Bowl, I was shocked at what a great fan experience they provided. I know people that flew into ATL the morning of that noon game, took the MARTA, saw the entire game, then caught a 6:00+ pm flight home. I stayed at an airport hotel (on points) and bought a $9 week MARTA ticket. My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

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Being located right on Lake Erie, I wonder if the Brown's considered a floating offshore stadium?

If the team would choose to leave again, you could pack them up and send them away in their new stadium to their next destination (Toronto?)

 

[bcspsu]

They leave the lakefront allowing for better lakefront development. This is right next to the CLE airport where the Ford Engine Plant used to be so it is largely abandoned land. there is about a 75% chance this gets done. The city kind of phoned in a $500k restoration but I am told that this was to appease voters. The city likes the idea of getting the lakefront land.

Having gone to the Peach Bowl, I was shocked at what a great fan experience they provided. I know people that flew into ATL the morning of that noon game, took the MARTA, saw the entire game, then caught a 6:00+ pm flight home. I stayed at an airport hotel (on points) and bought a $9 week MARTA ticket. My only fee was that MARTA cost, meals, and ticket. My hotel and flight were on points.

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I have a feeling that the Steelers will be looking for a new stadium soon, probably in Butler or Washington County, as Acrisure Stadium is being more and more outdated compared to the new palaces that are being built.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I have a feeling that the Steelers will be looking for a new stadium soon, probably in Butler or Washington County, as Acrisure Stadium is being more and more outdated compared to the new palaces that are being built.

Their stadium sucked day one. Just a terrible rush job and being next to ghe best baseball stadium in the country just amplifies his bad if is.

But would be a big mistake to move out of city and county. It’s a small market and they need to be centrally located.

 

[Obliviax]

I have a feeling that the Steelers will be looking for a new stadium soon, probably in Butler or Washington County, as Acrisure Stadium is being more and more outdated compared to the new palaces that are being built.

For Pittsburgh, it would be tough to move out of downtown due to the way the rivers and bridges are built. Moving north would alienate fans in the south and so forth. CLE is different in that NOBODY lives north of the stadium so moving south benefits everyone except the city (who will lose tax revenue). The lake is beautiful but a very limiting factor. and, of course, having an open stadium that only gets a few uses a year is not ideal. A retractable dome that is available 365 days of a year and right next to the airport makes complete sense.

 

[bcspsu]

Their stadium sucked day one. Just a terrible rush job and being next to ghe best baseball stadium in the country just amplifies his bad if is.

But would be a big mistake to move out of city and county. It’s a small market and they need to be centrally located.

Considering the totally negative effect that the idiotic and unnecessary lockdowns had on downtown Pittsburgh beginning in 2020 (businesses leaving and moving to the suburbs, restaurants closing, homeless encampments, etc.), I bet the Penguins, if they had to do it all over again, would've built their new arena in Cranberry or Southpointe.

I went to Duquesne as an undergrad and worked in downtown from 1986 to 2021, and always thought that downtown Pittsburgh was pretty nice compared to most major American cities. Well, that's all changed, mainly because the City and Allegheny County are so poorly managed.

Downtown Pittsburgh rapidly is beginning to resemble one of those Western towns in the movies that have tumbleweeds blowing down the streets, which is a shame. I remember walking the streets of downtown when I was a kid in the 70s, and there were so many people walking up and down Fifth Avenue that they looked like ants. Now, you could shoot a cannon down Fifth Avenue and not hit anybody, even in the middle of a working day.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Considering the totally negative effect that the idiotic and unnecessary lockdowns had on downtown Pittsburgh beginning in 2020 (businesses leaving and moving to the suburbs, restaurants closing, homeless encampments, etc.), I bet the Penguins, if they had to do it all over again, would've built their new arena in Cranberry or Southpointe.

I went to Duquesne as an undergrad and worked in downtown from 1986 to 2021, and always thought that downtown Pittsburgh was pretty nice compared to most major American cities. Well, that's all changed, mainly because the City and Allegheny County are so poorly managed.

Downtown Pittsburgh rapidly is beginning to resemble one of those Western towns in the movies that have tumbleweeds blowing down the streets, which is a shame. I remember walking the streets of downtown when I was a kid in the 70s, and there were so many people walking up and down Fifth Avenue that they looked like ants. Now, you could shoot a cannon down Fifth Avenue and not hit anybody, even in the middle of a working day.

Building in Cranberry or Southpointe for either team is a huge problem. Both have small populations and couldn’t support the teams. And both are far enough from city center that a lot of people wouldn’t travel that far.

Downtown is centrally located, has several major highways, and mass transit. Even river travel.

 

[bcspsu]

Building in Cranberry or Southpointe for either team is a huge problem. Both have small populations and couldn’t support the teams. And both are far enough from city center that a lot of people wouldn’t travel that far.

Downtown is centrally located, has several major highways, and mass transit. Even river travel.

It just seems like the trend is beginning to reverse with teams now looking into building new stadia and arenas in the suburbs rather than in urban areas, which is a reversal of the trend of building stadia and arenas in the heart of downtowns. The Bears and Chiefs, and now the Browns, are exploring building new stadia in the suburbs. Also, the owner of the Washington Capitals and Wizards was exploring moving those teams out of downtown D.C. to a VA or MD suburb, although I understand that this now may not happen; he cited D.C.'s crime rate and the fact that the city was supplying very few police for games, and he was fearful for his customers.

With the Turnpike and I-79 and I-279, I don't think that it would as big of an issue for people driving to a Steelers' game at a new stadium in the Cranberry or Southpointe areas. Also, like I said, Acrisure Stadium is like a high school stadium now when you cmpare it to new NFL stadia like the Vikings' one, and there is almost no space to tailgate anymore, and the parking and traffic situation around that stadium is terrible on game days. It's just not a very fan friendly facility.

 

[The Spin Meister]

It just seems like the trend is beginning to reverse with teams now looking into building new stadia and arenas in the suburbs rather in urban areas, which is a reversal of the trend of building stadia and arenas in the heart of downtowns. The Bears and Chiefs, and now the Browns, are exploring building new stadia in the suburbs. Also, the owner of the Washington Capitals and Wizards was exploring moving those teams out of downtown D.C. to a VA or MD suburb, although I understand that this now may not happen; he cited D.C.'s crime rate and the fact that the city wasn't supplying very few police for games, and he was fearful for his customers.

True but every city is different. And Pittsburgh is a much smaller city than most people realize. Like only 400,000 in the city itself. The regional market is also pretty small compared to others.

And the river system/roads make it difficult for people 20 miles on one side to get to some location 20 miles on another side.

 

[Nbergbuck]

1999 I think. They broke ground in 1997. They made a big mistake rushing it through to capture a franchise after hammering the NFL the way they allowed Art Model to leave. But it was always stupid to have a stadium on the lake where any other development would be worth a lot more. It is right next to the R&R hall of fame and great lakes science museum. They can build condos there and get much more revenue from taxes. The new location will be right next to the airport which will allow much better access and even more development. It will be modeled after MB Stadium in ATL so that people can fly in and out. Unlike MBS, it will come with development for hotels, restaurants and condos. Since the land is abandoned, it is a great investment and will yield 12 month events like Tay-tay class concerts, monster trucks, rodeos, and more.

Having said that, it is just as good as the Steelers or Ravens stadiums. They are in need of about $500m so the question is to put a bandaid on the old stadium for the same events and fan experience or spend $2B for a much better facility.

I am a life-long Clevelander. The stadium built in 1999 should have been a dome. That would have really enhanced downtown since it would allow for 30-40 events a year instead just 10. That would have really helped the restaurants, hotels, casino, R&R HOF etc.

 

[knickslions]

Living south of Cleveland having the new one near airport would be awesome

 

[Obliviax]

I am a life-long Clevelander. The stadium built in 1999 should have been a dome. That would have really enhanced downtown since it would allow for 30-40 events a year instead just 10. That would have really helped the restaurants, hotels, casino, R&R HOF etc.

I like moving it out of the city. Screw 'em. The cabal that has been in charge for 40 years has had billions and billions dumped in their laps and we have made some improvements, but not kept up with cities like Pittsburgh and Indy. Detroit only improved once they sent half of the political leaders to jail. The lakefront is an awful place to build a stadium because 50% of the land is unusable (the lake). Build it on the river or build it at East 55th and Huff. Given the options, the airport area is the best choice that has been made available.