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[JeffClear]

$0.14 of every $1.00 of PSU ICA revenue goes “to the kids”.

The rest?


Laugh, or Cry?

Amateur athletics? Don’t be a F-Ing dope.

First of all what does this mean? For example, how is this calculated?
What is meant by "the kids"'
Are coaches salaries, facility costs like weight rooms, training rooms, locker rooms, dining rooms, etc., training staff, academic advisors, etc. being counted as being "for the kids" or are they counted as being costs of running the program?
Is "for the kids" restricted to scholarships and room and board costs only or does it include some of these other costs that I listed, which do benefit the student athlete.
You need to be more specific.
And secondly, for argument sake lets take it as a given that 14 percent of revenue goes to student athletes. I would say that is pretty good, most corporations don't come close to earning a 14 percent profit.
And that means 14 percent of my money that I spend at Penn State football games goes towards student athletes.
If I go to a Steeler game instead, how much of that money would go to Penn State student athletes,? A big fat zero, thats how much.
You think those student athletes in non-revenue sports would be better off if everyone went to NFL games instead of college football games so their sports received no revenue at all from football?

 

[JeffClear]

You totally missed the point. Please read it again. I didn't say anything about people working . You need to comprehend what you read.

This is what you wrote:
"Sounds like an NCAA commercial

Do you have any idea how many folks - who have ZERO to do with anything regarding the games, and ZERO to do with anything that benefits the (wink wink) student-athletes - are pulling down huge coin from the “amateur” athletics revenue?

Of the thousands of folks involved, the only “amateurs” are the handful of kids who take the field each week."
I would say broadcasters would fit your description because they make a lot of money and are not needed to stage the games. Most college sporting events are not televised and they still occur.
The problem is you need to be more specific because I have no idea who you are talking about.

 

[JeffClear]

Yes, football does support the Blue Band. To what degree? $200k, maybe. Less than half a percent of the program's expense budget. As for other university programs receiving direct financial support from the athletic department, nope, not a dime. But it's all okay since you approve.

Yea right, there are 300 members of the Blue Band, you think the university only spends $666 per member?
Heck the director of the Blue Band probably makes more than 100K on his own.

 

[Art]

Yea right, there are 300 members of the Blue Band, you think the university only spends $666 per member?
Heck the director of the Blue Band probably makes more than 100K on his own.

Are you really this dense, or is just an act? You wrote:

"And football supports things other than athletics, for example the Blue Band and the school of music."

Regardless of the overall cost to run the Blue Band, the question is how much does "football" contribute to it? Well, the Athletic Department spends $285k on "bands, cheerleaders, mascots, dancers, etc." The AD doesn't break this amount down any further, nor does it allocate it by team. I took $200k as a reasonable amount for the Band from "football." If you want the other $85k, knock yourself out.

 

[JeffClear]

Are you really this dense, or is just an act? You wrote:

"And football supports things other than athletics, for example the Blue Band and the school of music."

Regardless of the overall cost to run the Blue Band, the question is how much does "football" contribute to it? Well, the Athletic Department spends $285k on "bands, cheerleaders, mascots, dancers, etc." The AD doesn't break this amount down any further, nor does it allocate it by team. I took $200k as a reasonable amount for the Band from "football." If you want the other $85k, knock yourself out.

Hahaha,
The AD football contributes far more to the BB than 285K.
For example, the blue band director is an AD employee, as is his assistant so their salary and benefits would be paid by the AD and that would be separate from the 285k you mentioned.
Plus the band goes to bowl games, it has to cost at least $1,000 per band member to fly them out to LA or Arizona or wherever they go and pay for their room and board.
So it probably costs $200-$300k to send the band to a bowl game so the school probably pays for this using bowl game revenue, obviously it doesn’t come from the $285 K you mentioned.
And there would be no bowl game revenue without football.
There is also blue band facilities, the band has practice fields and buildings and maintaining those probably comes out of the AD budget.

 

[Art]

Hahaha,
The AD football contributes far more to the BB than 285K.
For example, the blue band director is an AD employee, as is his assistant so their salary and benefits would be paid by the AD and that would be separate from the 285k you mentioned.
Plus the band goes to bowl games, it has to cost at least $1,000 per band member to fly them out to LA or Arizona or wherever they go and pay for their room and board.
So it probably costs $200-$300k to send the band to a bowl game so the school probably pays for this using bowl game revenue, obviously it doesn’t come from the $285 K you mentioned.
And there would be no bowl game revenue without football.
There is also blue band facilities, the band has practice fields and buildings and maintaining those probably comes out of the AD budget.

Only the director's assistant, not the director himself, is an employee of the Athletic Department. Her salary can easily be accommodated in the $285k. And don't go by the Athletic Department listing. There are about a dozen people on it who aren't even employees of PSU.

Sending the Band to a bowl game is your idea of "football" supporting the University? I don't know how to respond to that inanity. How about picking up the travel tab for Fat Barron and Molly? I'm gonna guess that the bill for onion dip alone pushes well into four figures.

 

[Art]

One might think that:

There are idiots on the PSU ICA payroll who use their "job time" to go around through social media and make idiotic "defenses" of Sandy Baby's bureaucracy.
(Of course, their are also plenty of "NitWit" volunteers )

Maybe?

LMAO

That very well could be. You'd think that they'd come to the task better equipped of it, even considering for whom they "work."

 

[Nitt1300]

Maybe almost as much as I seem to be in your head.

 

[JeffClear]

Only the director's assistant, not the director himself, is an employee of the Athletic Department. Her salary can easily be accommodated in the $285k. And don't go by the Athletic Department listing. There are about a dozen people on it who aren't even employees of PSU.

Sending the Band to a bowl game is your idea of "football" supporting the University? I don't know how to respond to that inanity. How about picking up the travel tab for Fat Barron and Molly? I'm gonna guess that the bill for onion dip alone pushes well into four figures.

The director is listed on the AD staff directory so I would say he is an AD employee.
And going to a bowl game certainly benefits The Blue Band and it’s members.

 

[Art]

The Face That Sunk a Thousand Ships.

 

[Art]

The director is listed on the AD staff directory so I would say he is an AD employee.
And going to a bowl game certainly benefits The Blue Band and it’s members.

Look at the director's PSU staff listing, then look at his assistant's.

There are twenty people listed on the "AD staff directory" who aren't even employees of PSU.

So this is the best you can do? Pretty lame.

 

[JeffClear]

Look at the director's PSU staff listing, then look at his assistant's.

There are twenty people listed on the "AD staff directory" who aren't even employees of PSU.

So this is the best you can do? Pretty lame.

If you can show some proof that the band director’s salary isn’t paid by the AD then I will accept it.
Regardless, whether it is or not the AD provides significant resources to the Blue Band.
As for the athletic department, it is doing exceptionally well and Sandy has the support of Franklin so she is ok with me too.
You sound like an old grouch wishing for the days when Paterno ran things and sports other than football, received little support from the athletic department.
Times have changed for the better and so has Penn State.

 

[JeffClear]

Blue Band director is a member of the College of Arts and Architecture - and paid through that college.

Anything else, Doofus?

Haha, fine I’ll take your word on this, but it is of little import, the fact remains the AD provides significant support to the BB.
Heck I would say having a football team and a successful one helps attract talent to the BB.
Maybe you should go outside and yell at the kids to get off your lawn.

 

[JeffClear]

LOL.

Your "gauntlet" of proof, once exposed, is now "of little import" (FWIW, I would agree that none of your spewed jibberish is of any import - - - - but that's a whole 'nuther subject)

Just admit that you are wrong.... and have no F-ing idea what you are talking about.

You are an idiot, my entire argument does not rest on the band director being paid by the AD.
And I said I believed you but it is inconsequential.
I am right that the AD provides significant support to student both athletes and non athletes including the BB.
What would the BB be without the football team?
And I am right that you are an old coot who complains about change.
The athletic department is wildly successful, with full arenas and a bevy if successful teams all in the wake of a massive sex scandal.

But despite all this success, you still criticize, complain and rant. You think you are so smart and know how to run the athletic department better than Sandy B and the professionals in the AD.

And Franklin hasn’t endorsed you for the job as athletic director, yet so I’m fine with Barbour keeping the job.

 

[JeffClear]

Sorry...... I lost you somewhere on the midst of your irrelevant YadaYadaYada mindless blather.

Sorry.

Not surprised, you’re just thick headed and set in your ways.

 

[Art]

If you can show some proof that the band director’s salary isn’t paid by the AD then I will accept it.
Regardless, whether it is or not the AD provides significant resources to the Blue Band.
As for the athletic department, it is doing exceptionally well and Sandy has the support of Franklin so she is ok with me too.
You sound like an old grouch wishing for the days when Paterno ran things and sports other than football, received little support from the athletic department.
Times have changed for the better and so has Penn State.

Without a football program there would be no need for a large, well-trained marching band. Well, gooooolllleee-gee, Gomer.

And I've got to prove to you that the band director's salary isn't paid by the Athletic Department?!?! Well, shazzam, Gomer.

Never thought I'd see the day that there'd be a poster on this board dumber than Kenneth, but wonders never cease. Consider yourself, crowned, Gomer.

 

[JeffClear]

Without a football program there would be no need for a large, well-trained marching band. Well, gooooolllleee-gee, Gomer.

And I've got to prove to you that the band director's salary isn't paid by the Athletic Department?!?! Well, shazzam, Gomer.

Never thought I'd see the day that there'd be a poster on this board dumber than Kenneth, but wonders never cease. Consider yourself, crowned, Gomer.

Wow you are stupid. What a worthless post.
I’ve said multiple times that I believed you on the band director’s salary but it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme.
But somehow you are obsessed with it.
Not as much as you are with Sandy Barbour
You are a sad pathetic person.
I know getting old is hard, but you don’t have to be such a grouch.
Well I’ll let you get back to you juvenile insults and name calling, and making fun of Sandy Barbour, perhaps it will give you a respite from your sorry life.

 

[Art]

Wow you are stupid. What a worthless post.
I’ve said multiple times that I believed you on the band director’s salary but it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme.
But somehow you are obsessed with it.
Not as much as you are with Sandy Barbour
You are a sad pathetic person.
I know getting old is hard, but you don’t have to be such a grouch.
Well I’ll let you get back to you juvenile insults and name calling, and making fun of Sandy Barbour, perhaps it will give you a respite from your sorry life.

Just an FYI, Gomer. One isnt't multiple and I'm not Barry. And whatever I may be, I'm not you and for that I'm thankful.

You can go back to pressing Sandy's pantsuits now.

 

[JeffClear]

Just an FYI, Gomer. One isnt't multiple and I'm not Barry. And whatever I may be, I'm not you and for that I'm thankful.

You can go back to pressing Sandy's pantsuits now.

I said it at least twice, senility perhaps?

 

[Art]

I said it at least twice, senility perhaps?

Not to me, Gomer.

Make sure those creases are razor-sharp.

 

[BostonNit]

I read a great book about this a bunch of years ago. Written by a former CFB player. Suggests we just do away with any pretense of this being about college, and affiliate college teams with regional pro teams, almost like AAA baseball teams are affiliated with MLB teams. PSU would be the college affiliate of the Steelers or Eagles for example, and in exchange for helping to fund the program they get first dibs on any players.

I don't remember the specifics of his plan but it included education being paid for by the pro team if the kid is either not good enough to make the NFL or after his NFL time is done. It was a great read.

Here's a link on Amazon...

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