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College football players are paid (indirectly), and that's the way it should be

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I thought this article-thread may bring back some college memories...If we all chip in maybe we can by a "plain" pie...no extra toppings. :eek::( by the third semester, I had my share of baby food.

"You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles."


College football players are paid (indirectly), and that's the way it should be
John Crist | 19 hours ago


Much has been made of the fact that Alabama coach Nick Saban will make something in the vicinity of $11 million in 2017.

Upon agreeing to yet another contract extension, this one through 2024, Saban has been given a $4 million signing bonus on top of his annual salary north of $7 million. The crazy thing is that he might still be underpaid.

As is usually the case when financial figures like these are released — the Crimson Tide strength coach, Scott Cochran, now makes $535,000 per year — a lot of belly-achers are up in arms that the players actually coached by Saban walk away with nothing. Some go so far as to say that they’re a step above slave labor.

My response, however, continues to be this: Give me an effin’ break. College football players are paid. They just get paid indirectly.

I’m not here to tell you that the NCAA operates a perfect system. Even suggesting that it’s fair to student-athletes can be a stretch. But I push back when critics whine that players are being exploited solely for the monetary gain of others.

Even with most university athletic departments making more money than ever — thank you, TV-rights deals — very few of them are in the black. For every dollar made, another dollar is spent. Like a growth stock listed on the NASDAQ exchange, money is reinvested internally as opposed to paid out to shareholders in the form of dividends.

This is how Texas builds new lockers for its football players featuring 43-inch flatscreens. Cost? About $10,500 each.

Is it excessive? Absolutely. Still, is it necessary to compete in today’s arms race? Absolutely. Clemson’s new Football Center doesn’t need a mini golf course. But if a 5-star recruit happens to love Putt-Putt, then it’s money well spent.

Screen-Shot-2017-05-11-at-10.13.44-PM-1024x512.png

Credit: Twitter.com/ericcooksey15

The list of perks for being a football player at a big-time program is long and enviable. All the food you can eat. Lodging at what is typically the best dorm on campus. Enough team-issued gear — some recruits will turn spurn an adidas school in favor of a Nike school — to make for quite an extensive wardrobe.

Oh, and the opportunity to earn a degree sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars yet not being on the hook for a nickel.

Let’s not forget that somewhere between three and four percent of college football players make it to the NFL. Naturally, the odds are much better at Florida State than Florida A&M, but it’s in no way guaranteed.

True, programs have more money than they know what to do with at this point, which is why coaches keep getting raises and scoreboards keep getting bigger. There are more administrators making six-figure salaries — oftentimes with ambiguous job descriptions — than ever before. Stadium suites on Saturday now rival what you see on Sunday.

Although let’s not pretend like the collegiate experience for the players themselves hasn’t gotten exponentially better, as well.

It’s impossible to deny that a lot of them are products of underprivileged upbringings. So many of these kids come from nothing and would be going nowhere without football. That’s one of the reasons why National Signing Day is so celebrated.

Daily, my Twitter feed overflows with messages from high schoolers — typically retweeted by the recruiting gurus I follow — filled with hashtags like #blessed when they receive a scholarship offer from a school. I’m yet to see a 4-star cornerback get offered by Oregon and then respond on social media with #exploited.

If college football is such a miserable existence, then why do prospects risk life and limb (not to mention concussions) to play it?

Football isn’t basketball or baseball. In basketball, you only have to attend college for one year before being drafted. In baseball, you can be drafted out of high school. But football players have to wait at least three years.

To some degree, minor league baseball is like college football. The players usually aren’t skilled enough to compete with the superstars we watch on television — the ones making millions of dollars — and need a few seasons to hone their craft. Only when they separate themselves from their peers are they called up to The Show.

Few know better than Hayden Hurst, who was a minor league baseball pitcher before becoming a tight end at South Carolina.


"They have everything you could possibly need. They give us so much stuff."
“In college football,” Hurst told me, “they give you access to everything.”

A 17th-round pick of the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 2012 Major League Baseball Draft, Hurst has seen the difference between the two sports a step below the highest level. In the minors, just getting a postgame meal was a challenge.

“You can go back to the cafeteria and get leftovers from dinner,” he said, “if you made it back in time for dinner.”

Compare that to his experience nowadays with the Gamecocks. According to Hurst, the food he gets in Columbia is “unbelievable.” Additionally, he has help from an entire staff of people — from tutors and trainers to nutrionists and strength coaches — whose sole job is to develop him both on and off the field.

“They have everything you could possibly need,” he said. “It’s very accessible. They give us so much stuff.”

USATSI_9598249-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports

There was no reason for Hurst to even pack a suitcase when he arrived at USC. Everything he wears is complimentary.

“When I go to class every day,” he said, “it’s something Under Armour.”

Despite the fact that minor league baseball players are indeed pro athletes, the majority of them don’t live like it. From cheapskate per diems to crummy hotel rooms, they’re the ones being treated like college kids.

"It's night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated."
“You’re playing a home game, then you’re traveling 10-12 hours on a semi-decent bus to some remote town in the middle of Iowa,” Hurst said. “That’s nothing compared to these private chartered planes that we go on for road trips here. It’s night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated.”

To be fair, Hurst didn’t come from a desperate situation growing up in the Jacksonville area. While he wasn’t a country club kid — his father taught and coached at the private school he attended — his family could pay the bills. Nevertheless, even his fellow ‘Cocks from humble beginnings seem to have all their needs met.

“I kind of come from a different background,” he said. “But even some of my other teammates who do come from those backgrounds, I really never hear, ‘Oh, man, we don’t get this. We don’t get that.’ I think they realize how good they get it.”

His coach, Will Muschamp, makes a fraction of what Saban does, about $3 million. But Hurst doesn’t begrudge him for it.

“While, yes, the numbers are kind of high,” he said, “I would say that that guy, with all of the stuff that he puts in, earns every cent of his paycheck.”

* * *
After a 6-6 record last season, South Carolina went to the Birmingham Bowl and lost a matchup with USF.

No offense to the Gamecocks, who didn’t even qualify for a bowl game the year before, but their loss to the Bulls was totally forgettable. It was one of 40-some postseason contests and unquestionably one of the least important.

But Hurst and the rest of his teammates were still given College Football Playoff-level treatment. A representative from the Birmingham Bowl showed up in Columbia with all kinds of freebies — this is how seemingly every player now has a set of Beats by Dre headphones. Imagine the shopping sprees that Alabama guys get year after year.

Rings used to be reserved for winning a national championship. These days, finishing atop the Big Ten West warrants a ring.

Forget about free books and tuition, which is priceless in the long run if players actually take advantage of it. The clothes, shoes and all the extras that are constantly being given away are worth thousands of dollars.

They’re also getting stipends now, supposedly to pay for the cost-of-living expenses not typically covered by a full ride. Laundry money, grocery money, gas money — most of these kids are away from home for the first time. There’s no accounting procedure for that cash, though. Tattoo artists are no doubt grateful.

USATSI_9093870-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jason Getz-USA TODAY Sports

This isn’t to say that there aren’t hard times. Many of these families can’t afford to put money in their sons’ accounts.

It’s not unusual to hear stories about players going hungry on weekends because the cafeteria was closed. Scholarship players aren’t allowed to have jobs during the season, and there’s no time for one anyway.

You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles.

When the Birmingham Bowl rep finished handing out Beats to football players, he didn’t head over to the chemistry department.

Don’t worry, I know your next argument: 80,000 fans fill Williams-Brice Stadium on Saturdays in the fall to watch football, not lab experiments. Those 85 scholarship athletes deserve a piece of the pie, you say.

Well, you’re right. They do. And I’m here to tell you that they are getting paid, just not in the form of a cashier’s check. All that money bankrolls a lifestyle making them the envy of every other student — even the ones on academic scholarships — in town. And it’s not only the future first-round picks, either.

Michigan just took its entire football program to Italy, and I’d venture to say that players didn’t even need to exchange dollars for euros.

If a young man dreams of making it to the NFL, this is the only path. No minor league. No European league. If he doesn’t agree with the college football model, well, nobody is forcing him to fax in that letter of intent.

These are the rules of engagement. A lot of people around them — not just the Sabans of the world — are making a lot of money, but let’s stop comparing college football players to Chinese factory workers. Their scholarships are only becoming more valuable, too. Tuition costs keep going higher. Swag bags keep getting bigger.

But if you play football and think you’re getting a raw deal, try baseball. There’s a bus in the Gulf Coast League that will make room for you.
 
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I thought this article-thread may bring back some college memories...If we all chip in maybe we can by a "plain" pie...no toppings. :eek::( by the third semester, I had my share of baby food.

"You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles."


College football players are paid (indirectly), and that's the way it should be
John Crist | 19 hours ago


Much has been made of the fact that Alabama coach Nick Saban will make something in the vicinity of $11 million in 2017.

Upon agreeing to yet another contract extension, this one through 2024, Saban has been given a $4 million signing bonus on top of his annual salary north of $7 million. The crazy thing is that he might still be underpaid.

As is usually the case when financial figures like these are released — the Crimson Tide strength coach, Scott Cochran, now makes $535,000 per year — a lot of belly-achers are up in arms that the players actually coached by Saban walk away with nothing. Some go so far as to say that they’re a step above slave labor.

My response, however, continues to be this: Give me an effin’ break. College football players are paid. They just get paid indirectly.

I’m not here to tell you that the NCAA operates a perfect system. Even suggesting that it’s fair to student-athletes can be a stretch. But I push back when critics whine that players are being exploited solely for the monetary gain of others.

Even with most university athletic departments making more money than ever — thank you, TV-rights deals — very few of them are in the black. For every dollar made, another dollar is spent. Like a growth stock listed on the NASDAQ exchange, money is reinvested internally as opposed to paid out to shareholders in the form of dividends.

This is how Texas builds new lockers for its football players featuring 43-inch flatscreens. Cost? About $10,500 each.

Is it excessive? Absolutely. Still, is it necessary to compete in today’s arms race? Absolutely. Clemson’s new Football Center doesn’t need a mini golf course. But if a 5-star recruit happens to love Putt-Putt, then it’s money well spent.

Screen-Shot-2017-05-11-at-10.13.44-PM-1024x512.png

Credit: Twitter.com/ericcooksey15

The list of perks for being a football player at a big-time program is long and enviable. All the food you can eat. Lodging at what is typically the best dorm on campus. Enough team-issued gear — some recruits will turn spurn an adidas school in favor of a Nike school — to make for quite an extensive wardrobe.

Oh, and the opportunity to earn a degree sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars yet not being on the hook for a nickel.

Let’s not forget that somewhere between three and four percent of college football players make it to the NFL. Naturally, the odds are much better at Florida State than Florida A&M, but it’s in no way guaranteed.

True, programs have more money than they know what to do with at this point, which is why coaches keep getting raises and scoreboards keep getting bigger. There are more administrators making six-figure salaries — oftentimes with ambiguous job descriptions — than ever before. Stadium suites on Saturday now rival what you see on Sunday.

Although let’s not pretend like the collegiate experience for the players themselves hasn’t gotten exponentially better, as well.

It’s impossible to deny that a lot of them are products of underprivileged upbringings. So many of these kids come from nothing and would be going nowhere without football. That’s one of the reasons why National Signing Day is so celebrated.

Daily, my Twitter feed overflows with messages from high schoolers — typically retweeted by the recruiting gurus I follow — filled with hashtags like #blessed when they receive a scholarship offer from a school. I’m yet to see a 4-star cornerback get offered by Oregon and then respond on social media with #exploited.

If college football is such a miserable existence, then why do prospects risk life and limb (not to mention concussions) to play it?

Football isn’t basketball or baseball. In basketball, you only have to attend college for one year before being drafted. In baseball, you can be drafted out of high school. But football players have to wait at least three years.

To some degree, minor league baseball is like college football. The players usually aren’t skilled enough to compete with the superstars we watch on television — the ones making millions of dollars — and need a few seasons to hone their craft. Only when they separate themselves from their peers are they called up to The Show.

Few know better than Hayden Hurst, who was a minor league baseball pitcher before becoming a tight end at South Carolina.


"They have everything you could possibly need. They give us so much stuff."
“In college football,” Hurst told me, “they give you access to everything.”

A 17th-round pick of the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 2012 Major League Baseball Draft, Hurst has seen the difference between the two sports a step below the highest level. In the minors, just getting a postgame meal was a challenge.

“You can go back to the cafeteria and get leftovers from dinner,” he said, “if you made it back in time for dinner.”

Compare that to his experience nowadays with the Gamecocks. According to Hurst, the food he gets in Columbia is “unbelievable.” Additionally, he has help from an entire staff of people — from tutors and trainers to nutrionists and strength coaches — whose sole job is to develop him both on and off the field.

“They have everything you could possibly need,” he said. “It’s very accessible. They give us so much stuff.”

USATSI_9598249-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports

There was no reason for Hurst to even pack a suitcase when he arrived at USC. Everything he wears is complimentary.

“When I go to class every day,” he said, “it’s something Under Armour.”

Despite the fact that minor league baseball players are indeed pro athletes, the majority of them don’t live like it. From cheapskate per diems to crummy hotel rooms, they’re the ones being treated like college kids.

"It's night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated."
“You’re playing a home game, then you’re traveling 10-12 hours on a semi-decent bus to some remote town in the middle of Iowa,” Hurst said. “That’s nothing compared to these private chartered planes that we go on for road trips here. It’s night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated.”

To be fair, Hurst didn’t come from a desperate situation growing up in the Jacksonville area. While he wasn’t a country club kid — his father taught and coached at the private school he attended — his family could pay the bills. Nevertheless, even his fellow ‘Cocks from humble beginnings seem to have all their needs met.

“I kind of come from a different background,” he said. “But even some of my other teammates who do come from those backgrounds, I really never hear, ‘Oh, man, we don’t get this. We don’t get that.’ I think they realize how good they get it.”

His coach, Will Muschamp, makes a fraction of what Saban does, about $3 million. But Hurst doesn’t begrudge him for it.

“While, yes, the numbers are kind of high,” he said, “I would say that that guy, with all of the stuff that he puts in, earns every cent of his paycheck.”

* * *
After a 6-6 record last season, South Carolina went to the Birmingham Bowl and lost a matchup with USF.

No offense to the Gamecocks, who didn’t even qualify for a bowl game the year before, but their loss to the Bulls was totally forgettable. It was one of 40-some postseason contests and unquestionably one of the least important.

But Hurst and the rest of his teammates were still given College Football Playoff-level treatment. A representative from the Birmingham Bowl showed up in Columbia with all kinds of freebies — this is how seemingly every player now has a set of Beats by Dre headphones. Imagine the shopping sprees that Alabama guys get year after year.

Rings used to be reserved for winning a national championship. These days, finishing atop the Big Ten West warrants a ring.

Forget about free books and tuition, which is priceless in the long run if players actually take advantage of it. The clothes, shoes and all the extras that are constantly being given away are worth thousands of dollars.

They’re also getting stipends now, supposedly to pay for the cost-of-living expenses not typically covered by a full ride. Laundry money, grocery money, gas money — most of these kids are away from home for the first time. There’s no accounting procedure for that cash, though. Tattoo artists are no doubt grateful.

USATSI_9093870-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jason Getz-USA TODAY Sports

This isn’t to say that there aren’t hard times. Many of these families can’t afford to put money in their sons’ accounts.

It’s not unusual to hear stories about players going hungry on weekends because the cafeteria was closed. Scholarship players aren’t allowed to have jobs during the season, and there’s no time for one anyway.

You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles.

When the Birmingham Bowl rep finished handing out Beats to football players, he didn’t head over to the chemistry department.

Don’t worry, I know your next argument: 80,000 fans fill Williams-Brice Stadium on Saturdays in the fall to watch football, not lab experiments. Those 85 scholarship athletes deserve a piece of the pie, you say.

Well, you’re right. They do. And I’m here to tell you that they are getting paid, just not in the form of a cashier’s check. All that money bankrolls a lifestyle making them the envy of every other student — even the ones on academic scholarships — in town. And it’s not only the future first-round picks, either.

Michigan just took its entire football program to Italy, and I’d venture to say that players didn’t even need to exchange dollars for euros.

If a young man dreams of making it to the NFL, this is the only path. No minor league. No European league. If he doesn’t agree with the college football model, well, nobody is forcing him to fax in that letter of intent.

These are the rules of engagement. A lot of people around them — not just the Sabans of the world — are making a lot of money, but let’s stop comparing college football players to Chinese factory workers. Their scholarships are only becoming more valuable, too. Tuition costs keep going higher. Swag bags keep getting bigger.

But if you play football and think you’re getting a raw deal, try baseball. There’s a bus in the Gulf Coast League that will make room for you.

LOL. You know who isn't broke? College coaches. I guess what they do for universities is worth a lot more than say, Saquon Barkley does for his. Maybe ask players if they'd rather have putt putt golf courses and Beats headphones or cold hard cash? This article is garbage.
 
[QUOTE Maybe ask players if they'd rather have putt putt golf courses and Beats headphones or cold hard cash? This article is garbage.
Ya thunk? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Well, I knew that was your point. ;)

In addition, if a college (or HS) student is good enough at say, engineering, web design, music, etc., there is nothing stopping them from being recruited and paid by any company or organization willing to do so. And sure, not every college football player is Saquon Barkley, but figure his future lies in a place where there are a total of 1,696 jobs available, and of those, only about 100 or so for his position.
 
It drives me crazy when people say college athletes aren't paid. Saying they aren't paid is the equivalent of saying that tuition and room-and-board are free for everybody. Since they're getting something for free that others must pay for, they're paid.

Now whether they're paid enough compared to what they bring in or whether they should have other options for how they're paid (cash instead of schooling for instance) is debatable. But whether they're paid isn't debatable.

If players should be paid relative to what they bring in then football and men's basketball players should be paid more but then again under that scenarios all the other college athletes should be paid much less. Most college athletes are nothing but a money drain.

Re. the coaches pay, on the one hand it is ridiculous that they get paid so much but OTOH if a high level football school came out and said "We won't pay above X for a coach anymore" then eventually they'd no longer be a high level football school. The salary scale would keep going up and they'd be priced out of the market for the good coaches. There is a connection between how good the coaches are and how much money is brought in.
 
It drives me crazy when people say college athletes aren't paid. Saying they aren't paid is the equivalent of saying that tuition and room-and-board are free for everybody. Since they're getting something for free that others must pay for, they're paid.

Now whether they're paid enough compared to what they bring in or whether they should have other options for how they're paid (cash instead of schooling for instance) is debatable. But whether they're paid isn't debatable.

If players should be paid relative to what they bring in then football and men's basketball players should be paid more but then again under that scenarios all the other college athletes should be paid much less. Most college athletes are nothing but a money drain.

Re. the coaches pay, on the one hand it is ridiculous that they get paid so much but OTOH if a high level football school came out and said "We won't pay above X for a coach anymore" then eventually they'd no longer be a high level football school. The salary scale would keep going up and they'd be priced out of the market for the good coaches. There is a connection between how good the coaches are and how much money is brought in.

Yeah, but for some of these guys, going to class is a waste of time and resources. They're *going* to be pros - at football. They make millions and millions of dollars for the NCAA, their conference, their school, and their coaches. 'Paying' star football players in 'free tuition' is like 'paying' your star cellist in free yoga classes.
 
Yeah, but for some of these guys, going to class is a waste of time and resources. They're *going* to be pros - at football. They make millions and millions of dollars for the NCAA, their conference, their school, and their coaches. 'Paying' star football players in 'free tuition' is like 'paying' your star cellist in free yoga classes.

I agree that it's silly to pay someone in a currency they may not want. But as far as generating that money, I don't think the NCAA and the conferences and schools are for profit. That money goes to support a lot of bloat in that there are probably a lot of jobs supported by it but I don't think anyone (other than star coaches) are getting really rich.

I think if you followed all the money a lot of it would go towards putting on non-revenue sports. You have to pay the coaches and the support people and buy the equipment and maintain the playing field, yadda, yadda, and you have to pay people to actually facilitate all that, which become Athletic Department employees that cost money. All this so that the school can put on womens tennis and mens lacrosse matches that nobody cares about.

Here is a list of head coaches at Ohio schools that make over $200,000 per year. I think I saw this linked to originally on this website. But anyway, 51 in Ohio alone, and that's just head coaches. I'm sure plenty of assistants on football and mens basketball make it too, as well as the AD and probably somes Assistant ADs or whatever.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/03/51_ohio_college_coaching_jobs.html
 
There is a connection between how good the coaches are and how much money is brought in.

Not really

The MUCH stronger correlation is:

"How much $$$ a program brings in, and how much $$$ is paid to Coaches and Administrators."
 
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Not really

The MUCH stronger correlation is:

"How much $$$ a program brings in, and how much $$$ is paid to Coaches and Administrators."

I don't see the difference between what you said and what I said. My point is, if you say "We shouldn't spend so much on coaches and facilities, let's spend less" then eventually the money you bring in will be less too because other schools will out spend you on coaches and facilities. And as a result of that they'll win more than you. And as a result of that they'll bring in more money than you.
 
I don't see the difference between what you said and what I said. My point is, if you say "We shouldn't spend so much on coaches and facilities, let's spend less" then eventually the money you bring in will be less too because other schools will out spend you on coaches and facilities. And as a result of that they'll win more than you. And as a result of that they'll bring in more money than you.
That's not what I "said"....... but you wouldn't understand anyway.
 
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I agree that it's silly to pay someone in a currency they may not want. But as far as generating that money, I don't think the NCAA and the conferences and schools are for profit. That money goes to support a lot of bloat in that there are probably a lot of jobs supported by it but I don't think anyone (other than star coaches) are getting really rich.

I think if you followed all the money a lot of it would go towards putting on non-revenue sports. You have to pay the coaches and the support people and buy the equipment and maintain the playing field, yadda, yadda, and you have to pay people to actually facilitate all that, which become Athletic Department employees that cost money. All this so that the school can put on womens tennis and mens lacrosse matches that nobody cares about.

Here is a list of head coaches at Ohio schools that make over $200,000 per year. I think I saw this linked to originally on this website. But anyway, 51 in Ohio alone, and that's just head coaches. I'm sure plenty of assistants on football and mens basketball make it too, as well as the AD and probably somes Assistant ADs or whatever.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/03/51_ohio_college_coaching_jobs.html

That's what the nimrods who run the universities would like us to believe, that because it has a football program that generates a surplus, it can, thus, among other things, have tennis teams that lose hundreds of thousands a year. Alternatively it could use those surpluses to pay a few professors, or, perish the thought, throw it the way of the football players who help generate it. Cause one to wonder how these fuddy-duddies actually think.
 
Yeah, but for some of these guys, going to class is a waste of time and resources. They're *going* to be pros - at football. They make millions and millions of dollars for the NCAA, their conference, their school, and their coaches. 'Paying' star football players in 'free tuition' is like 'paying' your star cellist in free yoga classes.
Unfortunately the gap in numbers between the ones who think that is true and the ones for whom it actually turns out to be true is pretty large.

You cannot always tell the difference either as to who might make it. How many PSU guys did we think would be stars at the next level and--weren't--for whatever reason. And there are other guys who you would never guess who do make it. Like that PSU lacrosse player.
 
I thought this article-thread may bring back some college memories...If we all chip in maybe we can by a "plain" pie...no extra toppings. :eek::( by the third semester, I had my share of baby food.

"You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles."


College football players are paid (indirectly), and that's the way it should be
John Crist | 19 hours ago


Much has been made of the fact that Alabama coach Nick Saban will make something in the vicinity of $11 million in 2017.

Upon agreeing to yet another contract extension, this one through 2024, Saban has been given a $4 million signing bonus on top of his annual salary north of $7 million. The crazy thing is that he might still be underpaid.

As is usually the case when financial figures like these are released — the Crimson Tide strength coach, Scott Cochran, now makes $535,000 per year — a lot of belly-achers are up in arms that the players actually coached by Saban walk away with nothing. Some go so far as to say that they’re a step above slave labor.

My response, however, continues to be this: Give me an effin’ break. College football players are paid. They just get paid indirectly.

I’m not here to tell you that the NCAA operates a perfect system. Even suggesting that it’s fair to student-athletes can be a stretch. But I push back when critics whine that players are being exploited solely for the monetary gain of others.

Even with most university athletic departments making more money than ever — thank you, TV-rights deals — very few of them are in the black. For every dollar made, another dollar is spent. Like a growth stock listed on the NASDAQ exchange, money is reinvested internally as opposed to paid out to shareholders in the form of dividends.

This is how Texas builds new lockers for its football players featuring 43-inch flatscreens. Cost? About $10,500 each.

Is it excessive? Absolutely. Still, is it necessary to compete in today’s arms race? Absolutely. Clemson’s new Football Center doesn’t need a mini golf course. But if a 5-star recruit happens to love Putt-Putt, then it’s money well spent.

Screen-Shot-2017-05-11-at-10.13.44-PM-1024x512.png

Credit: Twitter.com/ericcooksey15

The list of perks for being a football player at a big-time program is long and enviable. All the food you can eat. Lodging at what is typically the best dorm on campus. Enough team-issued gear — some recruits will turn spurn an adidas school in favor of a Nike school — to make for quite an extensive wardrobe.

Oh, and the opportunity to earn a degree sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars yet not being on the hook for a nickel.

Let’s not forget that somewhere between three and four percent of college football players make it to the NFL. Naturally, the odds are much better at Florida State than Florida A&M, but it’s in no way guaranteed.

True, programs have more money than they know what to do with at this point, which is why coaches keep getting raises and scoreboards keep getting bigger. There are more administrators making six-figure salaries — oftentimes with ambiguous job descriptions — than ever before. Stadium suites on Saturday now rival what you see on Sunday.

Although let’s not pretend like the collegiate experience for the players themselves hasn’t gotten exponentially better, as well.

It’s impossible to deny that a lot of them are products of underprivileged upbringings. So many of these kids come from nothing and would be going nowhere without football. That’s one of the reasons why National Signing Day is so celebrated.

Daily, my Twitter feed overflows with messages from high schoolers — typically retweeted by the recruiting gurus I follow — filled with hashtags like #blessed when they receive a scholarship offer from a school. I’m yet to see a 4-star cornerback get offered by Oregon and then respond on social media with #exploited.

If college football is such a miserable existence, then why do prospects risk life and limb (not to mention concussions) to play it?

Football isn’t basketball or baseball. In basketball, you only have to attend college for one year before being drafted. In baseball, you can be drafted out of high school. But football players have to wait at least three years.

To some degree, minor league baseball is like college football. The players usually aren’t skilled enough to compete with the superstars we watch on television — the ones making millions of dollars — and need a few seasons to hone their craft. Only when they separate themselves from their peers are they called up to The Show.

Few know better than Hayden Hurst, who was a minor league baseball pitcher before becoming a tight end at South Carolina.


"They have everything you could possibly need. They give us so much stuff."
“In college football,” Hurst told me, “they give you access to everything.”

A 17th-round pick of the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 2012 Major League Baseball Draft, Hurst has seen the difference between the two sports a step below the highest level. In the minors, just getting a postgame meal was a challenge.

“You can go back to the cafeteria and get leftovers from dinner,” he said, “if you made it back in time for dinner.”

Compare that to his experience nowadays with the Gamecocks. According to Hurst, the food he gets in Columbia is “unbelievable.” Additionally, he has help from an entire staff of people — from tutors and trainers to nutrionists and strength coaches — whose sole job is to develop him both on and off the field.

“They have everything you could possibly need,” he said. “It’s very accessible. They give us so much stuff.”

USATSI_9598249-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports

There was no reason for Hurst to even pack a suitcase when he arrived at USC. Everything he wears is complimentary.

“When I go to class every day,” he said, “it’s something Under Armour.”

Despite the fact that minor league baseball players are indeed pro athletes, the majority of them don’t live like it. From cheapskate per diems to crummy hotel rooms, they’re the ones being treated like college kids.

"It's night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated."
“You’re playing a home game, then you’re traveling 10-12 hours on a semi-decent bus to some remote town in the middle of Iowa,” Hurst said. “That’s nothing compared to these private chartered planes that we go on for road trips here. It’s night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated.”

To be fair, Hurst didn’t come from a desperate situation growing up in the Jacksonville area. While he wasn’t a country club kid — his father taught and coached at the private school he attended — his family could pay the bills. Nevertheless, even his fellow ‘Cocks from humble beginnings seem to have all their needs met.

“I kind of come from a different background,” he said. “But even some of my other teammates who do come from those backgrounds, I really never hear, ‘Oh, man, we don’t get this. We don’t get that.’ I think they realize how good they get it.”

His coach, Will Muschamp, makes a fraction of what Saban does, about $3 million. But Hurst doesn’t begrudge him for it.

“While, yes, the numbers are kind of high,” he said, “I would say that that guy, with all of the stuff that he puts in, earns every cent of his paycheck.”

* * *
After a 6-6 record last season, South Carolina went to the Birmingham Bowl and lost a matchup with USF.

No offense to the Gamecocks, who didn’t even qualify for a bowl game the year before, but their loss to the Bulls was totally forgettable. It was one of 40-some postseason contests and unquestionably one of the least important.

But Hurst and the rest of his teammates were still given College Football Playoff-level treatment. A representative from the Birmingham Bowl showed up in Columbia with all kinds of freebies — this is how seemingly every player now has a set of Beats by Dre headphones. Imagine the shopping sprees that Alabama guys get year after year.

Rings used to be reserved for winning a national championship. These days, finishing atop the Big Ten West warrants a ring.

Forget about free books and tuition, which is priceless in the long run if players actually take advantage of it. The clothes, shoes and all the extras that are constantly being given away are worth thousands of dollars.

They’re also getting stipends now, supposedly to pay for the cost-of-living expenses not typically covered by a full ride. Laundry money, grocery money, gas money — most of these kids are away from home for the first time. There’s no accounting procedure for that cash, though. Tattoo artists are no doubt grateful.

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Credit: Jason Getz-USA TODAY Sports

This isn’t to say that there aren’t hard times. Many of these families can’t afford to put money in their sons’ accounts.

It’s not unusual to hear stories about players going hungry on weekends because the cafeteria was closed. Scholarship players aren’t allowed to have jobs during the season, and there’s no time for one anyway.

You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles.

When the Birmingham Bowl rep finished handing out Beats to football players, he didn’t head over to the chemistry department.

Don’t worry, I know your next argument: 80,000 fans fill Williams-Brice Stadium on Saturdays in the fall to watch football, not lab experiments. Those 85 scholarship athletes deserve a piece of the pie, you say.

Well, you’re right. They do. And I’m here to tell you that they are getting paid, just not in the form of a cashier’s check. All that money bankrolls a lifestyle making them the envy of every other student — even the ones on academic scholarships — in town. And it’s not only the future first-round picks, either.

Michigan just took its entire football program to Italy, and I’d venture to say that players didn’t even need to exchange dollars for euros.

If a young man dreams of making it to the NFL, this is the only path. No minor league. No European league. If he doesn’t agree with the college football model, well, nobody is forcing him to fax in that letter of intent.

These are the rules of engagement. A lot of people around them — not just the Sabans of the world — are making a lot of money, but let’s stop comparing college football players to Chinese factory workers. Their scholarships are only becoming more valuable, too. Tuition costs keep going higher. Swag bags keep getting bigger.

But if you play football and think you’re getting a raw deal, try baseball. There’s a bus in the Gulf Coast League that will make room for you.

This is comical in its utter stupidity. We'll build the factory and pay for your business expenses and call it compensation.
 
It drives me crazy when people say college athletes aren't paid. Saying they aren't paid is the equivalent of saying that tuition and room-and-board are free for everybody. Since they're getting something for free that others must pay for, they're paid.

Now whether they're paid enough compared to what they bring in or whether they should have other options for how they're paid (cash instead of schooling for instance) is debatable. But whether they're paid isn't debatable.

If players should be paid relative to what they bring in then football and men's basketball players should be paid more but then again under that scenarios all the other college athletes should be paid much less. Most college athletes are nothing but a money drain.

Re. the coaches pay, on the one hand it is ridiculous that they get paid so much but OTOH if a high level football school came out and said "We won't pay above X for a coach anymore" then eventually they'd no longer be a high level football school. The salary scale would keep going up and they'd be priced out of the market for the good coaches. There is a connection between how good the coaches are and how much money is brought in.

If they were getting paid they would have taxable income. Forcing them to live somewhere and then calling the artificially inflated prices of it as compensation is utter nonsense.
 
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If they were getting paid they would have taxable income. Forcing them to live somewhere and then calling the artificially inflated prices of it as compensation is utter nonsense.

Can just anyone enroll at a university and live in a dorm at no cost?
 
I thought this article-thread may bring back some college memories...If we all chip in maybe we can by a "plain" pie...no extra toppings. :eek::( by the third semester, I had my share of baby food.

"You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles."


College football players are paid (indirectly), and that's the way it should be
John Crist | 19 hours ago


Much has been made of the fact that Alabama coach Nick Saban will make something in the vicinity of $11 million in 2017.

Upon agreeing to yet another contract extension, this one through 2024, Saban has been given a $4 million signing bonus on top of his annual salary north of $7 million. The crazy thing is that he might still be underpaid.

As is usually the case when financial figures like these are released — the Crimson Tide strength coach, Scott Cochran, now makes $535,000 per year — a lot of belly-achers are up in arms that the players actually coached by Saban walk away with nothing. Some go so far as to say that they’re a step above slave labor.

My response, however, continues to be this: Give me an effin’ break. College football players are paid. They just get paid indirectly.

I’m not here to tell you that the NCAA operates a perfect system. Even suggesting that it’s fair to student-athletes can be a stretch. But I push back when critics whine that players are being exploited solely for the monetary gain of others.

Even with most university athletic departments making more money than ever — thank you, TV-rights deals — very few of them are in the black. For every dollar made, another dollar is spent. Like a growth stock listed on the NASDAQ exchange, money is reinvested internally as opposed to paid out to shareholders in the form of dividends.

This is how Texas builds new lockers for its football players featuring 43-inch flatscreens. Cost? About $10,500 each.

Is it excessive? Absolutely. Still, is it necessary to compete in today’s arms race? Absolutely. Clemson’s new Football Center doesn’t need a mini golf course. But if a 5-star recruit happens to love Putt-Putt, then it’s money well spent.

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The list of perks for being a football player at a big-time program is long and enviable. All the food you can eat. Lodging at what is typically the best dorm on campus. Enough team-issued gear — some recruits will turn spurn an adidas school in favor of a Nike school — to make for quite an extensive wardrobe.

Oh, and the opportunity to earn a degree sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars yet not being on the hook for a nickel.

Let’s not forget that somewhere between three and four percent of college football players make it to the NFL. Naturally, the odds are much better at Florida State than Florida A&M, but it’s in no way guaranteed.

True, programs have more money than they know what to do with at this point, which is why coaches keep getting raises and scoreboards keep getting bigger. There are more administrators making six-figure salaries — oftentimes with ambiguous job descriptions — than ever before. Stadium suites on Saturday now rival what you see on Sunday.

Although let’s not pretend like the collegiate experience for the players themselves hasn’t gotten exponentially better, as well.

It’s impossible to deny that a lot of them are products of underprivileged upbringings. So many of these kids come from nothing and would be going nowhere without football. That’s one of the reasons why National Signing Day is so celebrated.

Daily, my Twitter feed overflows with messages from high schoolers — typically retweeted by the recruiting gurus I follow — filled with hashtags like #blessed when they receive a scholarship offer from a school. I’m yet to see a 4-star cornerback get offered by Oregon and then respond on social media with #exploited.

If college football is such a miserable existence, then why do prospects risk life and limb (not to mention concussions) to play it?

Football isn’t basketball or baseball. In basketball, you only have to attend college for one year before being drafted. In baseball, you can be drafted out of high school. But football players have to wait at least three years.

To some degree, minor league baseball is like college football. The players usually aren’t skilled enough to compete with the superstars we watch on television — the ones making millions of dollars — and need a few seasons to hone their craft. Only when they separate themselves from their peers are they called up to The Show.

Few know better than Hayden Hurst, who was a minor league baseball pitcher before becoming a tight end at South Carolina.


"They have everything you could possibly need. They give us so much stuff."
“In college football,” Hurst told me, “they give you access to everything.”

A 17th-round pick of the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 2012 Major League Baseball Draft, Hurst has seen the difference between the two sports a step below the highest level. In the minors, just getting a postgame meal was a challenge.

“You can go back to the cafeteria and get leftovers from dinner,” he said, “if you made it back in time for dinner.”

Compare that to his experience nowadays with the Gamecocks. According to Hurst, the food he gets in Columbia is “unbelievable.” Additionally, he has help from an entire staff of people — from tutors and trainers to nutrionists and strength coaches — whose sole job is to develop him both on and off the field.

“They have everything you could possibly need,” he said. “It’s very accessible. They give us so much stuff.”

USATSI_9598249-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports

There was no reason for Hurst to even pack a suitcase when he arrived at USC. Everything he wears is complimentary.

“When I go to class every day,” he said, “it’s something Under Armour.”

Despite the fact that minor league baseball players are indeed pro athletes, the majority of them don’t live like it. From cheapskate per diems to crummy hotel rooms, they’re the ones being treated like college kids.

"It's night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated."
“You’re playing a home game, then you’re traveling 10-12 hours on a semi-decent bus to some remote town in the middle of Iowa,” Hurst said. “That’s nothing compared to these private chartered planes that we go on for road trips here. It’s night and day compared to minor league baseball with how SEC football is treated.”

To be fair, Hurst didn’t come from a desperate situation growing up in the Jacksonville area. While he wasn’t a country club kid — his father taught and coached at the private school he attended — his family could pay the bills. Nevertheless, even his fellow ‘Cocks from humble beginnings seem to have all their needs met.

“I kind of come from a different background,” he said. “But even some of my other teammates who do come from those backgrounds, I really never hear, ‘Oh, man, we don’t get this. We don’t get that.’ I think they realize how good they get it.”

His coach, Will Muschamp, makes a fraction of what Saban does, about $3 million. But Hurst doesn’t begrudge him for it.

“While, yes, the numbers are kind of high,” he said, “I would say that that guy, with all of the stuff that he puts in, earns every cent of his paycheck.”

* * *
After a 6-6 record last season, South Carolina went to the Birmingham Bowl and lost a matchup with USF.

No offense to the Gamecocks, who didn’t even qualify for a bowl game the year before, but their loss to the Bulls was totally forgettable. It was one of 40-some postseason contests and unquestionably one of the least important.

But Hurst and the rest of his teammates were still given College Football Playoff-level treatment. A representative from the Birmingham Bowl showed up in Columbia with all kinds of freebies — this is how seemingly every player now has a set of Beats by Dre headphones. Imagine the shopping sprees that Alabama guys get year after year.

Rings used to be reserved for winning a national championship. These days, finishing atop the Big Ten West warrants a ring.

Forget about free books and tuition, which is priceless in the long run if players actually take advantage of it. The clothes, shoes and all the extras that are constantly being given away are worth thousands of dollars.

They’re also getting stipends now, supposedly to pay for the cost-of-living expenses not typically covered by a full ride. Laundry money, grocery money, gas money — most of these kids are away from home for the first time. There’s no accounting procedure for that cash, though. Tattoo artists are no doubt grateful.

USATSI_9093870-1024x512.jpg

Credit: Jason Getz-USA TODAY Sports

This isn’t to say that there aren’t hard times. Many of these families can’t afford to put money in their sons’ accounts.

It’s not unusual to hear stories about players going hungry on weekends because the cafeteria was closed. Scholarship players aren’t allowed to have jobs during the season, and there’s no time for one anyway.

You know who has similar problems? Pretty much every other student on campus — the ones who can’t run a 4.4 40 or bench press 400 pounds. Practically all college kids are broke. It’s a part of the experience. Find any successful graduate, and he can probably tell you about that month junior year when he lived off ramen noodles.

When the Birmingham Bowl rep finished handing out Beats to football players, he didn’t head over to the chemistry department.

Don’t worry, I know your next argument: 80,000 fans fill Williams-Brice Stadium on Saturdays in the fall to watch football, not lab experiments. Those 85 scholarship athletes deserve a piece of the pie, you say.

Well, you’re right. They do. And I’m here to tell you that they are getting paid, just not in the form of a cashier’s check. All that money bankrolls a lifestyle making them the envy of every other student — even the ones on academic scholarships — in town. And it’s not only the future first-round picks, either.

Michigan just took its entire football program to Italy, and I’d venture to say that players didn’t even need to exchange dollars for euros.

If a young man dreams of making it to the NFL, this is the only path. No minor league. No European league. If he doesn’t agree with the college football model, well, nobody is forcing him to fax in that letter of intent.

These are the rules of engagement. A lot of people around them — not just the Sabans of the world — are making a lot of money, but let’s stop comparing college football players to Chinese factory workers. Their scholarships are only becoming more valuable, too. Tuition costs keep going higher. Swag bags keep getting bigger.

But if you play football and think you’re getting a raw deal, try baseball. There’s a bus in the Gulf Coast League that will make room for you.

I don't mind change. If it's time to start paying these athletes, then so be it. We all know stadiums will be renamed once sponsors are approved.

But, what I hate (and miss) is that amateur sports are no longer amateur. I don't remember who brought it up a few years back, maybe westsidelion or mn78psu82 or mtnittany. But I agree.

The Olympics, college (and even high school) is becoming less and less amateur.

I understand the philosophy of getting the best of the best in a room to determine who THE best is. That's PROFESSIONAL sports.

Steroids, HGH, blood doping, etc have altered sports for the worst. You can NOT compete unless you are doing it - END OF STORY! And, it's going to get worse year after year. I don't see it ending anytime soon.

IMO, bodybuilding will implode. The NFL will be riddled with premature deaths (a statistical variance that way too many former players are dying before their 55th birthday). Baseball stats will be thrown out the window because of drugs. And, that's just PROFESSIONAL sports.

Now, college and high school will forever be changed, too. I don't know whats real anymore "today", much less 25-50 years from now.

Just like every cop is NOT on the take, not every athlete is on the juice. I know that. But, it's getting rarer and rarer to find "natural" athletes anymore in any "popular" amateur sports.

Again, who ever brought this up a few years back was 100% correct. I miss amateur sports, too.
 
Can just anyone enroll at a university and live in a dorm at no cost?

Can any other company force you to live in company apartments and claim their artificially high and noncompetitive prices as income? Seriously, your train of thought reminds me of the now illegal company stores of the past.
 
Can any other company force you to live in company apartments and claim their artificially high and noncompetitive prices as income? Seriously, your train of thought reminds me of the now illegal company stores of the past.

It's a university football team so you have to be a student at the university and as a natural consequence you have to live in the area (but I don't think they generally force you to live in a dorm...you can live in an apartment and they'll pay your rent).

I'm not saying the current system is good but I'm just saying that players do receive compensation albeit sometimes not the kind of compensation they want.

I don't think players should be forced to be students at all. Give them a to-be-determined amount of money. Let them attend school if they want. Give them lifetime free tuition in case after they discover they're not gonna be a big NFL star and they're matured some they want to attend school and be serious about getting an education.
 
It's a university football team so you have to be a student at the university and as a natural consequence you have to live in the area (but I don't think they generally force you to live in a dorm...you can live in an apartment and they'll pay your rent).

I'm not saying the current system is good but I'm just saying that players do receive compensation albeit sometimes not the kind of compensation they want.

I don't think players should be forced to be students at all. Give them a to-be-determined amount of money. Let them attend school if they want. Give them lifetime free tuition in case after they discover they're not gonna be a big NFL star and they're matured some they want to attend school and be serious about getting an education.

Yeah, that's not compensation, that's business expenses for the company. I have no idea why you continue to conflate the two as they most definitely are not the same.
 
Yeah, that's not compensation, that's business expenses for the company. I have no idea why you continue to conflate the two as they most definitely are not the same.

Providing someone a place to live while they work for you can be considered business expenses because they have to live somewhere but providing them an education isn't a business expense. College football could go on as normal without those guys going to class (and in some places does, ha, ha).

And after you get an education you're more marketable on the job market than a person without an education.

They're forcing your compensation to be a free education but it's still compensation.
 
Providing someone a place to live while they work for you can be considered business expenses because they have to live somewhere but providing them an education isn't a business expense. College football could go on as normal without those guys going to class (and in some places does, ha, ha).

And after you get an education you're more marketable on the job market than a person without an education.

They're forcing your compensation to be a free education but it's still compensation.

Nope.
 
Yeah, but for some of these guys, going to class is a waste of time and resources. They're *going* to be pros - at football. They make millions and millions of dollars for the NCAA, their conference, their school, and their coaches. 'Paying' star football players in 'free tuition' is like 'paying' your star cellist in free yoga classes.

3-4% make it to the NFL. They are fools if they don't take advantage of the free tuition.
 
The "system" is just totally corrupt AND has NOTHING to do with the purpose of a "University". Vocational school, anyone?
 
3-4% make it to the NFL. They are fools if they don't take advantage of the free tuition.

But the problem is that a lot of them don't even want to be in school but it's the only way they can (maybe) get to the NFL. And even of the ones that may eventually value an education and want free schooling, they may not be that mature yet when they're only 18-22. Not to mention it's had to be mature when everybody is kissing your rear end and telling you how great you are because you're good at football.
 
But the problem is that a lot of them don't even want to be in school but it's the only way they can (maybe) get to the NFL. And even of the ones that may eventually value an education and want free schooling, they may not be that mature yet when they're only 18-22. Not to mention it's had to be mature when everybody is kissing your rear end and telling you how great you are because you're good at football.

Have to say your comments are right on target !!!
 
But the problem is that a lot of them don't even want to be in school but it's the only way they can (maybe) get to the NFL. And even of the ones that may eventually value an education and want free schooling, they may not be that mature yet when they're only 18-22. Not to mention it's had to be mature when everybody is kissing your rear end and telling you how great you are because you're good at football.

So you're saying that players should negotiate contracts and not even attend school? That doesn't sound like college athletics to me.

Maybe the NCAA P5 teams should pay into a pool to subsidize minor league football. They could play these minor league teams but not as a part of a conference schedule. That way the kids who don't want an education can still give it a shot. But 96% don't male it to the NFL and those that do make it only last 3 years. It seems to me that 99% of the kids would be foolish to sidestep the opportunity to earn a degree.
 
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What percentage of NCAA power 5 football players actually make it to the professional level for even 1 year? Once you come to grips with that number, you can stop callimg them "professionals". An overwhelming percentage of football players are no different than the "Club" teams on campus (which inclded our hockey until recently).

It seems that a lot of people who want to pay all of these players also are outraged :eek: over the number of kids defaulting on their college loans due to the high cost of tuition. All of those kids defaulting on their loans believe that the guys on the football team were compensated very well. Especially when considering that over 90% of them wont even sniff an NFL training camp.
 
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Can any other company force you to live in company apartments and claim their artificially high and noncompetitive prices as income? Seriously, your train of thought reminds me of the now illegal company stores of the past.
They aren't forced to live in the dorms or university owned apartment. The athletic department is allowed to cut the players a check for average cost of a dorm. So for this year a Penn State player may receive a check of $9,010 for housing. In addition if they live off campus they can get a check for the equivalent of a meal plan which is $7,260. This is in addition to unlimited meals at the training table. On top of that they get their $4,700 cost of living stipend. (All tax free) So the total for a athlete living of campus is $20,970 plus full tuition. What is common is apply for low income housing assistant and use that amount as their "income". They then can qualify for low income housing subsidy or apartments. They then end up paying peanuts for rent. Kirk Ferentz son made headlines for doing this. Also depending on parents income level they may also qualify for Pell Grants. Considering they get majority of their meals at the training table and can grab food whenever they want from the Lasch building, free books and tuition and a ton of free gear they can live comfortably. Most of them even score free drinks and food down town. They are not struggling compared to other students. Most college will even pay for their future education if they leave early and don't finish their degree.
 
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They aren't forced to live in the dorms or university owned apartment. The athletic department is allowed to cut the players a check for average cost of a dorm. So for this year a Penn State player may receive a check of $9,010 for housing. In addition if they live off campus they can get a check for the equivalent of a meal plan which is $7,260. This is in addition to unlimited meals at the training table. On top of that they get their $4,700 cost of living stipend. (All tax free) So the total for a athlete living of campus is $20,970 plus full tuition. What is common is apply for low income housing assistant and use that amount as their "income". They then can qualify for low income housing subsidy or apartments. They then end up paying peanuts for rent. Kirk Ferentz son made headlines for doing this. Also depending on parents income level they may also qualify for Pell Grants. Considering they get majority of their meals at the training table and can grab food whenever they want from the Lasch building, free books and tuition and a ton of free gear they can live comfortably. Most of them even score free drinks and food down town. They are not struggling compared to other students.

That all makes sense to me except for the part about Pell Grants. Can they really get Pell Grants even though they're getting free tuition and room and board?
 
What percentage of NCAA power 5 football players actually make it to the professional level for even 1 year? Once you come to grips with that number, you can stop callimg them "professionals". An overwhelming percentage of football players are no different than the "Club" teams on campus (which inclded our hockey until recently).

It seems that a lot of people who want to pay all of these players also are outraged :eek: over the number of kids defaulting on their college loans due to the high cost of tuition. All of those kids defaulting on their loans believe that the guys on the football team were compensated very well. Especially when considering that over 90% of them wont even sniff an NFL training camp.

The majority of college players make out better long term in the college model over the minor league model. Take a minor league baseball player who spent 4 years out of high school playing minor league baseball. Chances are within a year of "retiring" he has no money left over, no education and no alumni or college to help him transition to the working world. If Barkley got hurt and could never play again he could stay at Penn State, finish his degree and basically get handed a job by a Penn State grad. A star minor leaguer cant say the same thing.
 
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They aren't forced to live in the dorms or university owned apartment. The athletic department is allowed to cut the players a check for average cost of a dorm. So for this year a Penn State player may receive a check of $9,010 for housing. In addition if they live off campus they can get a check for the equivalent of a meal plan which is $7,260. This is in addition to unlimited meals at the training table. On top of that they get their $4,700 cost of living stipend. (All tax free) So the total for a athlete living of campus is $20,970 plus full tuition. What is common is apply for low income housing assistant and use that amount as their "income". They then can qualify for low income housing subsidy or apartments. They then end up paying peanuts for rent. Kirk Ferentz son made headlines for doing this. Also depending on parents income level they may also qualify for Pell Grants. Considering they get majority of their meals at the training table and can grab food whenever they want from the Lasch building, free books and tuition and a ton of free gear they can live comfortably. Most of them even score free drinks and food down town. They are not struggling compared to other students. Most college will even pay for their future education if they leave early and don't finish their degree.

None of which qualifies as compensation. This nonsense about calling the university's business expenses compensation is completely inaccurate and absurd. Geez, they even set the price for housing in your example.
 
The majority of college players make out better long term in the college model over the minor league model. Take a minor league baseball player who spent 4 years out of high school playing minor league baseball. Chances are within a year of "retiring" he has no money left over, no education and no alumni or college to help him transition to the working world. If Barkley got hurt and could never play again he could stay at Penn State, finish his degree and basically get handed a job by a Penn State grad. A star minor leaguer cant say the same thing.

Minor leaguers can negotiate their contracts, and free education is often a standard part of the deal for high school kids.
 
What percentage of NCAA power 5 football players actually make it to the professional level for even 1 year? Once you come to grips with that number, you can stop callimg them "professionals". An overwhelming percentage of football players are no different than the "Club" teams on campus (which inclded our hockey until recently).

It seems that a lot of people who want to pay all of these players also are outraged :eek: over the number of kids defaulting on their college loans due to the high cost of tuition. All of those kids defaulting on their loans believe that the guys on the football team were compensated very well. Especially when considering that over 90% of them wont even sniff an NFL training camp.

Professionals? No. Indentured servants for the university's marketing department would be (slightly) more accurate.
 
None of which qualifies as compensation. This nonsense about calling the university's business expenses compensation is completely inaccurate and absurd. Geez, they even set the price for housing in your example.
What would you call it? They get the money or benefits because they play a sport.
 
That all makes sense to me except for the part about Pell Grants. Can they really get Pell Grants even though they're getting free tuition and room and board?
Of course they can. Many do
 
Professionals? No. Indentured servants for the university's marketing department would be (slightly) more accurate.

The only way they can be called indentured servants is if the only reason they're at the school is to get training in football. Anyone can go to a college (assuming they're qualified I mean) without engaging in any particular extracirricular activity if they're willing to pay for it, including athletes.

Someone with the athletic ability has two choices.

1. Attend the school like an ordinary student.
2. Attend the school on an athletic scholarship.

For those without the athletic ability only #1 is an option.
 
What would you call it? They get the money or benefits because they play a sport.

I've called them business expenses for the university, which they are, and are often arbitrarily set by the university. Heck, some of the stuff you mentioned is even available to the student population at large and you still want to call it compensation. Smh.
 
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