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Congrats city of Baltimore! You are the new #1 most dangerous city to live!!

Actually I've been all over Philly through the years, including some of the rougher areas. My wife has a very good friend that lives there and we have visited often. I also have a good friend from my Penn State days who lived there for 30 years and just retired to Florida, and a cousin that lived there for the better part of 2 decades.


Where did you hangout in North Philly?

Can you name some safe schools that need 12 full time cops in ONE school?

Do you think anyone from Florida ever retired to North Philly?
 
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Where did you spend time in Philly? Probably Center City which is about 2sq miles out of 120. Philly has 40,000 abandoned homes. I doubt you hung out in those neighborhoods.




Now break it down by neighborhoods. When you average all 1.5 million people in a city the numbers are skewed. Rittenhouse Sq and Chestnut Hill are safe. North Philly is a warzone. Not the same.

If they averaged the whole state would that mean crime in Pittsburgh and Philly were the same?

Do you know any safe neighborhoods that need a dozen full time cops in ONE school?
Although very subtle, I get the feeling j.reacher is not a big fan of Philadelphia?! Maybe that is where he got the log splitter from? :D
 
Where did you hangout in North Philly?
Can you name some safe schools that need 12 full time cops in ONE school?
Do you think anyone from Florida ever retired to North Philly?
I'm not sure what the point of your cross-examination is, but since I am not on trial, I feel no need to answer. I stated my opinion (that I have always felt safe in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) and I stand by what I said.
 
Although very subtle, I get the feeling j.reacher is not a big fan of Philadelphia?! Maybe that is where he got the log splitter from? :D


Have you been there? Does anyone even know how to use a trashcan? Do you think Philly has good public schools? 20,000 reported crimes in the city each year. Parents campout for a week to get their kid in a lottery for a 1 out of 100 shot at going to a charter.

I lived there. I now live 10 minutes outside the city.

If you can name ONE affordable, neat, clean, safe neighborhood in PHilly with good public schools K-12 I will move there tomorrow. Name the neighborhood. There is a reason 0 elected officials have their kids in non charter public schools.
 
Have you been there? Does anyone even know how to use a trashcan? Do you think Philly has good public schools? 20,000 reported crimes in the city each year. Parents campout for a week to get their kid in a lottery for a 1 out of 100 shot at going to a charter.

I lived there. I now live 10 minutes outside the city.

If you can name ONE affordable, neat, clean, safe neighborhood in PHilly with good public schools K-12 I will move there tomorrow. Name the neighborhood. There is a reason 0 elected officials have their kids in non charter public schools.

Can you name a neat, clean, and safe neighborhood that's affordable in any major city, especially on the east coast?

Note that I'm not asking out of jest. I'm genuinely curious.
 
Lol. Why would anyone from Florida retire to North Philly?

Or Boston, or NYC, or DC, or anywhere up north for that matter.

They missed the cheesestakes?
Because warm weather and sunshine is overrated.
To be closer to Penn State of course!
 
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Have you been there? Does anyone even know how to use a trashcan? Do you think Philly has good public schools? 20,000 reported crimes in the city each year. Parents campout for a week to get their kid in a lottery for a 1 out of 100 shot at going to a charter.

I lived there. I now live 10 minutes outside the city.

If you can name ONE affordable, neat, clean, safe neighborhood in PHilly with good public schools K-12 I will move there tomorrow. Name the neighborhood. There is a reason 0 elected officials have their kids in non charter public schools.
I'm about 30 minutes outside the city ... for a reason. If you want affordable it won' be neat, clean or safe and vice versa. But this is true of pretty much every major city in America today. Find me one affordable place in Boston, Chicago or DC that isn't next to a crack house. I wouldn't mind trying to live in the city for a short period of time, but I picked a suburban location based on the school district, safety and proximity to work to raise my family.
 
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How can Baltimore be so dangerous? I mean Maryland has tough gun control laws, that's supposed to stop everything!

Illinois has the toughest gun laws in the country, yet look at Chicago,the murder rate is off the charts! Could it be the "people" living there? Just a few miles north of Chicago and you are in Wisconsin. On the first day of deer season there are over "700,000 Guns" in the woods. How many people are shot, Answer "0". Something the politicians will never address is the violence in minority communities!
 
Illinois has the toughest gun laws in the country, yet look at Chicago,the murder rate is off the charts! Could it be the "people" living there? Just a few miles north of Chicago and you are in Wisconsin. On the first day of deer season there are over "700,000 Guns" in the woods. How many people are shot, Answer "0". Something the politicians will never address is the violence in minority communities!
This particular right-wing talking point has been debunked more times than necessary, but here we are: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

Long story short is that gun laws are only as strong as their neighbors' because gun laws don't care about state lines. In the case of Illinois and Chicago, they're unlucky enough to be saddled with Indiana and Wisconsin - with their aggressively lax gun regulations - as their neighbors. They also had enormous amounts of local control taken from them by an activist Supreme Court in 2010.
 
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This particular right-wing talking point has been debunked more times than necessary, but here we are: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

Long story short is that gun laws are only as strong as their neighbors' because gun laws don't care about state lines. In the case of Illinois and Chicago, they're unlucky enough to be saddled with Indiana and Wisconsin - with their aggressively lax gun regulations - as their neighbors. They also had enormous amounts of local control taken from them by an activist Supreme Court in 2010.

The murder rate in Chicago is "not tied" the the lax gun laws in Indiana, and Wisconsin. A big time Liberal Illinois Congressman used that excuse and it is pure Bull Shit! You can try and debunk all the conservative reasons as to why the crime rates are so high in the cities. #1 Reason is children born out of wed-lock with No Parents who then get on Welfare their entire lives and become Gang Bangers! Liberals use excuse and excuse, but refuse to address these youths in the cities to Stop With The Having Children with no parents!!!

Gov Whitman made one statement saying that minority males in the inner cities were bragging by the time they were 18 yo that they had already fathered 4 children. The minority community immediately used the "R Word" and Whitman immediately stuck her head in the sand!
 
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The murder rate in Chicago is "not tied" the the lax gun laws in Indiana, and Wisconsin. A big time Liberal Illinois Congressman used that excuse and it is pure Bull Shit! You can try and debunk all the conservative reasons as to why the crime rates are so high in the cities. #1 Reason is children born out of wed-lock with No Parents who then get on Welfare their entire lives and become Gang Bangers! Liberals use excuse and excuse, but refuse to address these youths in the cities to Stop With The Having Children with no parents!!!

Gov Whitman made one statement saying that minority males in the inner cities were bragging by the time they were 18 yo that they had already fathered 4 children. The minority community immediately used the "R Word" and Whitman immediately stuck her head in the sand!


Second poster to assert, in caps I beleive, the problem is children are being born WITHOUT PARENTS. Neat trick.
 
Second poster to assert, in caps I beleive, the problem is children are being born WITHOUT PARENTS. Neat trick.
It's an outbreak of immaculate conceptions, only MORE miraculous! Must mean the Rapture is coming!
 
The murder rate in Chicago is "not tied" the the lax gun laws in Indiana, and Wisconsin. A big time Liberal Illinois Congressman used that excuse and it is pure Bull Shit! You can try and debunk all the conservative reasons as to why the crime rates are so high in the cities. #1 Reason is children born out of wed-lock with No Parents who then get on Welfare their entire lives and become Gang Bangers! Liberals use excuse and excuse, but refuse to address these youths in the cities to Stop With The Having Children with no parents!!!

Gov Whitman made one statement saying that minority males in the inner cities were bragging by the time they were 18 yo that they had already fathered 4 children. The minority community immediately used the "R Word" and Whitman immediately stuck her head in the sand!
If they aren’t related, then why are more than half of the guns used in Chicago gang shootings bought out of state? Why are more than half of the guns recovered in Illinois bought out of state? One third of the guns used in Chicago gang shootings are bought in Indiana alone.

The article I linked discusses all of those figures and more!
 
If they aren’t related, then why are more than half of the guns used in Chicago gang shootings bought out of state? Why are more than half of the guns recovered in Illinois bought out of state? One third of the guns used in Chicago gang shootings are bought in Indiana alone.

The article I linked discusses all of those figures and more!

Some cities with the highest homicide rate with populations over 200K: Oakland, Cincinnati, Birmingham, "Baltimore", Newark, New Orleans, and Detroit.

I guess they are all getting their guns from "Indiana".......
 
Some cities with the highest homicide rate with populations over 200K: Oakland, Cincinnati, Birmingham, "Baltimore", Newark, New Orleans, and Detroit.

I guess they are all getting their guns from "Indiana".......
I could feel the wind from those goalposts rushing past me.

You mentioned Illinois and Chicago. There are aspects to Chicago and Illinois’ level of gun violence that are unique to them, some of which I discussed. Each municipality is different with a different history and regulatory scheme - although I’m sure there is some consistency between them in terms of the effect of generations of rampant income inequality, the legacy of segregation, and overcriminalization, in addition to their unique state and local laws.
 
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Illinois has the toughest gun laws in the country, yet look at Chicago,the murder rate is off the charts! Could it be the "people" living there? Just a few miles north of Chicago and you are in Wisconsin. On the first day of deer season there are over "700,000 Guns" in the woods. How many people are shot, Answer "0". Something the politicians will never address is the violence in minority communities!
People in Chicago get their guns from Wisconsin. This is the problem; Wisconsin lets anybody buy a gun. Why call ourselves the UNITED States if we have 50 different sets of regulations on just about every matter?
 
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I don't disagree that Philly had plenty of nice and safe neighborhoods "back in the day" just like the majority of US cities. Then drugs, crime and crooked politicians destroyed inner cities pushing a lot of people out into the suburbs. Unfortunately the current drug (opioid) crisis is now everywhere ... but that is a different topic. I wish I had answers, but these societal/political problems aren't going to be fixed overnight.


Drugs, crime and crooked politicians have been around forever. Opium was around centuries ago.

The opioid crisis is not as bad in the politicians neighborhoods. Do you think the city will look the other way if open air drug dealers are selling on the mayor's block? You won't find any methadone clinics on his street either. Liberal policies helped expand this mess.

Catch and release is for fishing. Most of the violent crimes are by repeat offenders. The mass shooter in Md this summer had been arrested 200 times.
 
This particular right-wing talking point has been debunked more times than necessary, but here we are: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

Long story short is that gun laws are only as strong as their neighbors' because gun laws don't care about state lines. In the case of Illinois and Chicago, they're unlucky enough to be saddled with Indiana and Wisconsin - with their aggressively lax gun regulations - as their neighbors. They also had enormous amounts of local control taken from them by an activist Supreme Court in 2010.

If they aren’t related, then why are more than half of the guns used in Chicago gang shootings bought out of state? Why are more than half of the guns recovered in Illinois bought out of state? One third of the guns used in Chicago gang shootings are bought in Indiana alone.

The article I linked discusses all of those figures and more!

People in Chicago get their guns from Wisconsin. This is the problem; Wisconsin lets anybody buy a gun. Why call ourselves the UNITED States if we have 50 different sets of regulations on just about every matter?

So then I guess gun-related homicides must be off the charts in Wisconsin and Indiana, since its so easy to buy a gun there.
 
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So then I guess gun-related homicides must be off the charts in Wisconsin and Indiana, since its so easy to buy a gun there.
Gun control should be a national effort. It doesn't make sense to have 50 different ideas on guns in a single country. Does it?
 
Drugs, crime and crooked politicians have been around forever. Opium was around centuries ago.

The opioid crisis is not as bad in the politicians neighborhoods. Do you think the city will look the other way if open air drug dealers are selling on the mayor's block? You won't find any methadone clinics on his street either. Liberal policies helped expand this mess.

Catch and release is for fishing. Most of the violent crimes are by repeat offenders. The mass shooter in Md this summer had been arrested 200 times.
The mass shooter in MD (occurred in Edgewood at his place of work), was on parole for 12 felony convictions, served 12 years and was paroled, was not an ideal prisoner. After he was paroled, he was caught with a loaded gun in a traffic stop, gun sitting on front seat in plain sight. The Cecil County State's attorney declined to press charges. Since a convicted felon cannot possess a gun, this was go straight back to jail, do not collect $200. He eventually murdered 3 or 4 people and severely wounded another 3 or 4 people.

Yesterday in Prince George's County Maryland, a off duty cop went to help a neighbor in a domestic dispute, the husband killed the cop. The husband had several outstanding warrants for domestic violence going back 8 years. Somehow the warrants were never served and he remained on the streets.

The left likes to talk about doing something to stop the violence, yet somehow they refuse to lock the violent people up and keep them there. How many gun crimes are plea bargained down to lesser charges. Too many straw purchases are never prosecuted.

Look at Nikolas Cruz, numerous teachers and students at the school immediately guessed he was the school shooter without being told. This guy could have only been more obvious he wanted to shoot up a school if he wore a sandwich board stating that. Local LE visited the Cruz house 39 times about him, Social Services interviewed him and did nothing when he admitted to cutting himself and stating a desire to buy a gun. The school system did not refer him to LE for his numerous issues. The FBI ignored two complaints about him and his desire to shoot up a school, never even bothered to pass the information on to local LE. All it would have taken to stop him was a conviction on misdemeanor domestic violence or requiring a mandatory mental health examination and he could not have purchased a legal firearm.

Look at the Texas church shooter. the Air Force never notified the FBI that he was dishonorably discharged which would have prevented a legal fire arm purchase. He was also required to take a mandatory mental health exam (preventing a legal firearm purchase) and this information was not add to the background check system.

The current laws and systems will stop most of these lunatics if the laws are enforced and the required information that could block firearm purchase is actually added to the system.
 
The mass shooter in MD (occurred in Edgewood at his place of work), was on parole for 12 felony convictions, served 12 years and was paroled, was not an ideal prisoner. After he was paroled, he was caught with a loaded gun in a traffic stop, gun sitting on front seat in plain sight. The Cecil County State's attorney declined to press charges. Since a convicted felon cannot possess a gun, this was go straight back to jail, do not collect $200. He eventually murdered 3 or 4 people and severely wounded another 3 or 4 people.

Yesterday in Prince George's County Maryland, a off duty cop went to help a neighbor in a domestic dispute, the husband killed the cop. The husband had several outstanding warrants for domestic violence going back 8 years. Somehow the warrants were never served and he remained on the streets.

The left likes to talk about doing something to stop the violence, yet somehow they refuse to lock the violent people up and keep them there. How many gun crimes are plea bargained down to lesser charges. Too many straw purchases are never prosecuted.

Look at Nikolas Cruz, numerous teachers and students at the school immediately guessed he was the school shooter without being told. This guy could have only been more obvious he wanted to shoot up a school if he wore a sandwich board stating that. Local LE visited the Cruz house 39 times about him, Social Services interviewed him and did nothing when he admitted to cutting himself and stating a desire to buy a gun. The school system did not refer him to LE for his numerous issues. The FBI ignored two complaints about him and his desire to shoot up a school, never even bothered to pass the information on to local LE. All it would have taken to stop him was a conviction on misdemeanor domestic violence or requiring a mandatory mental health examination and he could not have purchased a legal firearm.

Look at the Texas church shooter. the Air Force never notified the FBI that he was dishonorably discharged which would have prevented a legal fire arm purchase. He was also required to take a mandatory mental health exam (preventing a legal firearm purchase) and this information was not add to the background check system.

The current laws and systems will stop most of these lunatics if the laws are enforced and the required information that could block firearm purchase is actually added to the system.


Exactly the point I was making at the start of this thread.
Also, in regard to the shooter in Edgewood I thought that the Delaware courts and judges had a hand in
it as well.

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Hey we just had 12 days without a homicide. Unfortunately it ended last tues.
Baby steps.
We just got a new Police Commish in the last month or so. Hopefully he can make some headway.
INMO though, its more a problem with the courts and judges than it is with the police.
Many of these guys should NEVER have been released with their records and rap sheets.
I put 60% of the blame on the judges.<<
 
Exactly the point I was making at the start of this thread.
Also, in regard to the shooter in Edgewood I thought that the Delaware courts and judges had a hand in
it as well.

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Hey we just had 12 days without a homicide. Unfortunately it ended last tues.
Baby steps.
We just got a new Police Commish in the last month or so. Hopefully he can make some headway.
INMO though, its more a problem with the courts and judges than it is with the police.
Many of these guys should NEVER have been released with their records and rap sheets.
I put 60% of the blame on the judges.<<
He definitely had/has legal issues in Delaware. I do know for a fact that Cecil County declined to prosecute him on the hand gun charge and Maryland did give him early release from prison.

We both know, lock the violent criminals up and keep them there and the number of violent crimes will be significantly lower.
 
The mass shooter in MD (occurred in Edgewood at his place of work), was on parole for 12 felony convictions, served 12 years and was paroled, was not an ideal prisoner. After he was paroled, he was caught with a loaded gun in a traffic stop, gun sitting on front seat in plain sight. The Cecil County State's attorney declined to press charges. Since a convicted felon cannot possess a gun, this was go straight back to jail, do not collect $200. He eventually murdered 3 or 4 people and severely wounded another 3 or 4 people.

Yesterday in Prince George's County Maryland, a off duty cop went to help a neighbor in a domestic dispute, the husband killed the cop. The husband had several outstanding warrants for domestic violence going back 8 years. Somehow the warrants were never served and he remained on the streets.

The left likes to talk about doing something to stop the violence, yet somehow they refuse to lock the violent people up and keep them there. How many gun crimes are plea bargained down to lesser charges. Too many straw purchases are never prosecuted.

Look at Nikolas Cruz, numerous teachers and students at the school immediately guessed he was the school shooter without being told. This guy could have only been more obvious he wanted to shoot up a school if he wore a sandwich board stating that. Local LE visited the Cruz house 39 times about him, Social Services interviewed him and did nothing when he admitted to cutting himself and stating a desire to buy a gun. The school system did not refer him to LE for his numerous issues. The FBI ignored two complaints about him and his desire to shoot up a school, never even bothered to pass the information on to local LE. All it would have taken to stop him was a conviction on misdemeanor domestic violence or requiring a mandatory mental health examination and he could not have purchased a legal firearm.

Look at the Texas church shooter. the Air Force never notified the FBI that he was dishonorably discharged which would have prevented a legal fire arm purchase. He was also required to take a mandatory mental health exam (preventing a legal firearm purchase) and this information was not add to the background check system.

The current laws and systems will stop most of these lunatics if the laws are enforced and the required information that could block firearm purchase is actually added to the system.


Excellent post sir.

Post of the year!!
 
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