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Credit where credit is due - Greg Martin

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I feel sorry for any wrestler who ever wrestles Bo again. I think Bo comes back with a vengeance next year. I hope Myles and him stay in the same weight class.
 
Very nice comments, something he didn't have to say. If he keeps this up, I might even like him -- once his son transfers to Rutgers.
 
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I feel sorry for any wrestler who ever wrestles Bo again. I think Bo comes back with a vengeance next year. I hope Myles and him stay in the same weight class.

I don't think that will happen. Fairly sure that Martin moves up to 184 next year.
 
He has a nice post on the Ohio board about his son. In it he credits Bo for setting a high bar for his son to reach for.

From what I've seen of his son he's a great wrestler and a good sportsman. I liked Myles' comments after winning as well.

He'll be a great foe for whoever we'll have at 174-184 going forward.

http://ohiowrestling.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5996&sid=d016d5c68157cca36277e0fd6f73f41d
He would not have had anything positive to say about Bo if Bo would not have put himself on his back. Hope they are at same weight next year. That will be the one and only....Bet on it....
 
I feel sorry for any wrestler who ever wrestles Bo again. I think Bo comes back with a vengeance next year. I hope Myles and him stay in the same weight class.

I hope so. But...the same was said about Bo's rematch with Jackson and he won by an eyelash!

Also, you forget that Myles was a TRUE FRESHMEN. Typically there is a lot of improvement from your frshmen year. If they had a rematch now, I'd take Bo if he decides to wrestle martin without the throws. But, next year...after a year of further development I am not so sure.
 
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I hope so. But...the same was said about Bo's rematch with Jackson and he won by an eyelash!

Also, you forget that Myles was a TRUE FRESHMEN. Typically there is a lot of improvement from your frshmen year. If they had a rematch now, I'd take Bo if he decides to wrestle martin without the throws. But, next year...after a year of further development I am not so sure.
When Bo learns when to throw and when just to win the match by decision NO ONE will stop him. The only person who can beat Bo is Bo. That is very true and accurate. In both of Bo's losses this year if you were to ask those guys if they were the ones who made moves to win they would both tell you no if they were honest....Bo in the PSU room will improve a lot more then anyone he wrestled....
 
Easy to be complimentary in victory, you Learn more about what a man is about after defeat ...
Interesting and good point. I strangely agree with it and also agree with the ~opposite sentiment: it's easy for a person to be nice when weak, but you learn more about a person after he is "higher" than you. [Off topic: I learned more about equally nice people after they prospered in the dot-com boom and became unequally nice.]
 
I hope so. But...the same was said about Bo's rematch with Jackson and he won by an eyelash!

Also, you forget that Myles was a TRUE FRESHMEN. Typically there is a lot of improvement from your frshmen year. If they had a rematch now, I'd take Bo if he decides to wrestle martin without the throws. But, next year...after a year of further development I am not so sure.

They won't be wrestling each other next year. Martin is moving up to 184.
 
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They won't be wrestling each other next year. Martin is moving up to 184.
He better move....He knows for real he would never be lucky again for Bo to put himself to his back....Already 3 and 1 anyway. Bo will be pissed if he moves knowing Bo....
 
Interesting and good point. I strangely agree with it and also agree with the ~opposite sentiment: it's easy for a person to be nice when weak, but you learn more about a person after he is "higher" than you. [Off topic: I learned more about equally nice people after they prospered in the dot-com boom and became unequally nice.]
I don't believe in do overs when it is convenient do to so, later on. I'm with Jschrantz, that I learned all I need to know about Mr. Martin back when things were not in his or his sons favor.
 
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I don't believe in do overs when it is convenient do to so, later on. I'm with Jschrantz, that I learned all I need to know about Mr. Martin back when things were not in his or his sons favor.

I have to nerd out with a digression. The "no do overs" phrase helped me figure out what was confusing me. Thanks NL84! To know a person, it helps to see them when they're under stress (e.g., after a loss, as jschrantz pointed out) and also when they can believe they're "higher status" than someone else and also in a number of other situations (e.g., when they think no one will find out, etc.). If they remain the same person in a wide variety of conditions, only then do we probably know a person. (BTW, Cael's Lion wrestlers seem like they stay and would stay the same people.)
 
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He better move....He knows for real he would never be lucky again for Bo to put himself to his back....Already 3 and 1 anyway. Bo will be pissed if he moves knowing Bo....

The kid wrestled a great match against Bo and it was a prime example of opponent familiarization. He had been burned by Bo before and was ready. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to him...like I had to with Nico (if you remember, I said he was going to come out shooting). Not that I've ever had a problem giving Nico a tip of the hat.
 
Ignore feature is your friend ;) Or have you taken him on as a project?
It's interesting. EJ is one of the smartest people on this board. We also have another brilliant individual on the premium football board that goes by the name of "Art." Art loves correcting Spyker and arguing with him as well.

I just don't understand why two brilliant people waste their time trying to engage someone that has shown no ability to alter their behavior... @Azchief32
 
The kid wrestled a great match against Bo and it was a prime example of opponent familiarization. He had been burned by Bo before and was ready. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to him...like I had to with Nico (if you remember, I said he was going to come out shooting). Not that I've ever had a problem giving Nico a tip of the hat.

Have no problem taking my hat off to I-Mar, I thought he wrestled a very strategic match that was brilliantly executed....he sprinkled and interspersed his own offensive attacks with periods where he was clearly looking to counter, but always remained "engaged" even when looking to counter. Very high likelihood that the result would not have changed regardless of whether his championship match with J-No occurred under the "real rules" of wrestling recognized "internationally" (e.g., Freestyle) despite taking place in the "gimmicky" rules of "NCAA Folkstyle" which can be "gamed" by unscrupulous wrestlers/coaches. J-No clearly has the more "dangerous" offense, free or folk, but he needs to figure out how to get to that offense against I-Mar. IOW, on the margin, I-Mar's offense is not as dangerous as J-No's, but he is able to get to it better than J-No is able to get to his when they face each other. J-No needs to figure out how to penetrate I-Mar's perimeter defenses and "open him up" without exposing himself - once he and Cael devise a strategy in that regard, it will be lights out, because if J-No can get out front early, it will, put pressure on I-Mar's defense and force him to open-up and take more chances offensively because he will be wrestling from behind. In any event, I don't think I-Mar won this time around by completely structuring his approach to "gimmicky bull$hit" that is only permitted in folk (e.g., would have lost in a "real wrestling" match - International Free). Hat's off to I-Mar, he "wrestled" a great match, especially strategically to neutralize J-No's offensive advantage without deserving penalty (for example, he stayed engaged in ties when going backwards, etc....).

Sorry, but cannot say the same thing about MM....most of the "gimmicky bull$hit" he was doing all match long would only be permitted without penalty in folk; up to and including the final series where Bo attacked attempting to win a tied match in regulation before time expired.....MM was pulling the "gimmicky bull$hit" only permitted in folk of constantly backing-up and running away from Bo (as per the entire match) and only looking to engage with the possibility of "countering" once his feet were on the outer-perimeter stripe.....otherwise known as permanently "wrestling the edge" which would not be permitted (or go un-penalized for an entire match, especially when combined with a lot of "fleeing" and ZERO offensive attacks of his own) in a "real wrestling match" (e.g., International Free). I call bull$hit on anybody who thinks MM walks away from that match a "winner" if it were an objectively-officiated Freestyle match (conducted on real rules of wrestling instead of a wrestler and coach who devised a "strategy" to "game" the gimmicky bull$hit rules of folk that would have never worked under the true rules of wrestling and likely would have drawn significant penalty points for the aggressive, attacking wrestler as a reward for his attacking style and his opponent's illegal "passivity"). Sorry, but I'm not tipping my hat to wrestlers and coaches that devise "gimmicky strategies" intended to "game" and "exploit" the bull$hit rules of folk that are antithetical to the actual traditional and longstanding rules of "real wrestling" (e.g., illegal in a real wrestling match conducted at the Olympic or World Championship competitions).
 
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Have no problem taking my hat off to I-Mar, I thought he wrestled a very strategic match that was brilliantly executed....he sprinkled and interspersed his own offensive attacks with periods where he was clearly looking to counter, but always remained "engaged" even when looking to counter. Very high likelihood that the result would not have changed regardless of whether his championship match with J-No occurred under the "real rules" of wrestling recognized "internationally" (e.g., Freestyle) despite taking place in the "gimmicky" rules of "NCAA Folkstyle" which can be "gamed" by unscrupulous wrestlers/coaches. J-No clearly has the more "dangerous" offense, free or folk, but he needs to figure out how to get to that offense against I-Mar. IOW, on the margin, I-Mar's offense is not as dangerous as J-No's, but he is able to get to it better than J-No is able to get to his when they face each other. J-No needs to figure out how to penetrate I-Mar's perimeter defenses and "open him up" without exposing himself - once he and Cael devise a strategy in that regard, it will be lights out, because if J-No can get out front early, it will, put pressure on I-Mar's defense and force him to open-up and take more chances offensively because he will be wrestling from behind. In any event, I don't think I-Mar won this time around by completely structuring his approach to "gimmicky bull$hit" that is only permitted in folk (e.g., would have lost in a "real wrestling" match - International Free). Hat's off to I-Mar, he "wrestled" a great match, especially strategically to neutralize J-No's offensive advantage without deserving penalty (for example, he stayed engaged in ties when going backwards, etc....).

Sorry, but cannot say the same thing about MM....most of the "gimmicky bull$hit" he was doing all match long would only be permitted without penalty in folk; up to and including the final series where Bo attacked attempting to win a tied match in regulation before time expired.....MM was pulling the "gimmicky bull$hit" only permitted in folk of constantly backing-up and running away from Bo (as per the entire match) and only looking to engage with the possibility of "countering" once his feet were on the outer-perimeter stripe.....otherwise known as permanently "wrestling the edge" which would not be permitted (or go un-penalized for an entire match, especially when combined with a lot of "fleeing" and ZERO offensive attacks of his own) in a "real wrestling match" (e.g., International Free). I call bull$hit on anybody who thinks MM walks away from that match a "winner" if it were an objectively-officiated Freestyle match (conducted on real rules of wrestling instead of a wrestler and coach who devised a "strategy" to "game" the gimmicky bull$hit rules of folk that would have never worked under the true rules of wrestling and likely would have drawn significant penalty points for the aggressive, attacking wrestler as a reward for his attacking style and his opponent's illegal "passivity"). Sorry, but I'm not tipping my hat to wrestlers and coaches that devise "gimmicky strategies" intended to "game" and "exploit" the bull$hit rules of folk that are antithetical to the actual traditional and longstanding rules of "real wrestling" (e.g., illegal in a real wrestling match conducted at the Olympic or World Championship competitions).

That's funny, because what you are saying about Martin is the same thing a lot of Iowa fans are saying about Mega. But I think you are both wrong. A top guy can go dominate a lessor foe using his offense at will, but when you have two guys that are close in skill, lot of guys change it up and use their defense to create offense and some even play the edge of the mat. If it's within the rules an you can take the stall calls and still win....Might not be the best wrestling to watch, but seems like a pretty smart move. Then again, if Bo just wrestles and omits the throws, he win that match without question.
 
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That's funny, because what you are saying about Martin is the same thing a lot of Iowa fans are saying about Mega. But I think you are both wrong. A top guy can go dominate a lessor foe using his offense at will, but when you have two guys that are close in skill, lot of guys change it up and use their defense to create offense and some even play the edge of the mat. If it's within the rules an you can take the stall calls and still win....Might not be the best wrestling to watch, but seems like a pretty smart move. Then again, if Bo just wrestles and omits the throws, he win that match without question.

Mega doesn't go backwards in tie-ups, runaway from engagement for an entire match or perpetually and exclusively "wrestle the edge" looking to go OB or counter dip$hit - you are completely full of $hit and don't know what your talking about. Nor does Mega go entire matches without making a single offensive attack (as his 70-something TDs in 20-odd matches demonstrates! Maybe if you had a clue about what you were talking about or knew squat about the actual rules of wrestling (especially International Free - the real, recognized rules of wrestling), you should be listened to, but since you don't STFU you clueless moron. Weird how successful Mega is in Free and never gets penalized for "passivity" when Free is hyper-aggressive about penalizing passivity with penalty points for your opponent without "a warning call", unlike the easily gamed and gimmick "folk" rules.
 
That's funny, because what you are saying about Martin is the same thing a lot of Iowa fans are saying about Mega. But I think you are both wrong. A top guy can go dominate a lessor foe using his offense at will, but when you have two guys that are close in skill, lot of guys change it up and use their defense to create offense and some even play the edge of the mat. If it's within the rules an you can take the stall calls and still win....Might not be the best wrestling to watch, but seems like a pretty smart move. Then again, if Bo just wrestles and omits the throws, he win that match without question.

Except they called MM for stalling at the end...and not just the obligatory call in the last 15 seconds...ref hit him twice. Martin shot on Bo and then beat him at his own game with a lat drop...he scored two TD's and four back points. Not bad for a guy who was backing up the whole match.

With Nico, he came out shooting...three TD's against Gilman and then ran the whole third period. Now, maybe not what "fans" want to see but it was a great tactical match. EDIT: Gibbons even commented that Nico hadn't taken one step forward in third period and was puzzled why he wasn't getting hit for stalling.

An ardent fan of the classless, zero-integrity "traditional b1g shiz-hole conference" telling somebody else to "Lighten Up Francis".....priceless, LMFAO!

FART or Francis, both are good IMO...I applaud this response...you kept it down to one sentence. Brevity is your friend.
 
Except they called MM for stalling at the end...and not just the obligatory call in the last 15 seconds...ref hit him twice. Martin shot on Bo and then beat him at his own game with a lat drop...he scored two TD's and four back points. Not bad for a guy who was backing up the whole match.

With Nico, he came out shooting...three TD's against Gilman and then ran the whole third period. Now, maybe not what "fans" want to see but it was a great tactical match.



FART or Francis, both are good IMO...I applaud this response...you kept it down to one sentence. Brevity is your friend.

Your full of $hit that the last TD and NF points resulted from MM "shooting" and excuting a "Lat drop" - that is laughable bullshit.....Bo pursued and engage Martin who stopped backing up when he saw the OB stripe under his feet. Martin put in underhooks on the tie and Bo immediately "locked" down on them and threw him. Martin in fact WENT TO HIS BACK intially, but was able to roll Bo through and by simple good fortune MM's legs from his ankle's down remained in-bounds after he rolled through. MM executed a well hit "Lat drop" there? Umm, no - LMFAO! MM was thrown to his back initially by Bo, he didn't initiate a "Lat drop" after shooting, nice try though....
 
Mega doesn't go backwards in tie-ups, runaway from engagement for an entire match or perpetually and exclusively "wrestle the edge" looking to go OB or counter dip$hit - you are completely full of $hit and don't know what your talking about. Nor does Mega go entire matches without making a single offensive attack (as his 70-something TDs in 20-odd matches demonstrates! Maybe if you had a clue about what you were talking about or knew squat about the actual rules of wrestling (especially International Free - the real, recognized rules of wrestling), you should be listened to, but since you don't STFU you clueless moron. Weird how successful Mega is in Free and never gets penalized for "passivity" when Free is hyper-aggressive about penalizing passivity with penalty points for your opponent without "a warning call", unlike the easily gamed and gimmick "folk" rules.

Dude, rage much? My goodness. You obviously did not see the big10 semi match with Gilman where Mega worked the edge on multiple occasions and only scored off a bad shot by Gilman. Mega won and he deserved to win because, GUESS WHAT? He scored more points.
Can you get banned from your our board for cursing? Out of control dude. Your real name's not "Hanzy" is it?
 
Except they called MM for stalling at the end...and not just the obligatory call in the last 15 seconds...ref hit him twice. Martin shot on Bo and then beat him at his own game with a lat drop...he scored two TD's and four back points. Not bad for a guy who was backing up the whole match.

With Nico, he came out shooting...three TD's against Gilman and then ran the whole third period. Now, maybe not what "fans" want to see but it was a great tactical match. EDIT: Gibbons even commented that Nico hadn't taken one step forward in third period and was puzzled why he wasn't getting hit for stalling.



FART or Francis, both are good IMO...I applaud this response...you kept it down to one sentence. Brevity is your friend.

Brevity may be your friend, but "facts" are not. Try to limit the creation of laughable, self-serving "supposed-facts" next time Spalding.
 
Your full of $hit that the last TD and NF points resulted from MM "shooting" and excuting a "Lat drop" - that is laughable bullshit.....Bo pursued and engage Martin who stopped backing up when he saw the OB stripe under his feet. Martin put in underhooks on the tie and Bo immediately "locked" down on them and threw him. Martin in fact WENT TO HIS BACK intially, but was able to roll Bo through and by simple good fortune MM's legs from his ankle's down remained in-bounds after he rolled through. MM executed a well hit "Lat drop" there? Umm, no - LMFAO! MM was thrown to his back initially by Bo, he didn't initiate a "Lat drop" after shooting, nice try though....

You realize that Martin had a body lock on Bo...right? Bo, then went for the ankle pick and that's when Martin threw him. We are talking about the six points for MM?

BTW, all of this action was initiated off of Myles Double attempt.

Yes, I know, somewhere Jefe is laughing.
 
Dude, rage much? My goodness. You obviously did not see the big10 semi match with Gilman where Mega worked the edge on multiple occasions and only scored off a bad shot by Gilman. Mega won and he deserved to win because, GUESS WHAT? He scored more points.
Can you get banned from your our board for cursing? Out of control dude. Your real name's not "Hanzy" is it?

More laughable, nonsense, bull$hit supposed-facts - you Iowa morons are really too much. Gillman and Nico found themselves at the edge of the mat in some form of head or upper-body tie-up in neutral many, many, many times, but to try to claim that it was always Nico who was going backwards, and never driving forward is "selective" bull$hit on you part, not fact. Mega was driving Gilman backwards in "neutral ties" just as often as the opposite - your bull$hit notwithstanding. Attempting to compare the way Mega wrestled Gilman to MM's zero-scoring off his own offense, constantly run-away, selectively "wrestle the edge" with back facing OB counter-only nonsense....is so laughably absurd, it isn't even worth debating this absurd made-up nonsense and bull$hit as it is a wholly non-analogous comparison dipwad.
 
You realize Martin had a body lock on Bo...right? Bo, then went for the ankle pick and that's when Martin threw him. We are talking about the six points for MM?

BTW, all of this action was initiated off of Myles Double attempt.

Yes, I know, somewhere Jefe is laughing.

No dippy, that was not what transpired for MM's final series of points....I'm laughing at you or anyone else that thinks what Bo did was an attempted "ankle pick" when he initially threw Martin directly to his back (and Martin absolutely landed square on his back before attempting and barely getting a roll-thru directly on the "bounce" of the landing).
 
More laughable, nonsense, bull$hit supposed-facts - you Iowa morons are really too much. Gillman and Nico found themselves at the edge of the mat in some form of head or upper-body tie-up in neutral many, many, many times, but to try to claim that it was always Nico who was going backwards, and never driving forward is "selective" bull$hit on you part, not fact. Mega was driving Gilman backwards in "neutral ties" just as often as the opposite - your bull$hit notwithstanding. Attempting to compare the way Mega wrestled Gilman to MM's zero-scoring off his own offense, constantly run-away, selectively "wrestle the edge" with back facing OB counter-only nonsense....is so laughably absurd, it isn't even worth debating this absurd made-up nonsense and bull$hit as it is a wholly non-analogous comparison dipwad.

So Hanzy, listen, you know you can make your point without being such a doucher right? I mean no one actually absorbs what you are saying when you respond like you do.And I don't think Franklin would like knowing you use his name acting like you do, such a fowl mouth.

I know BWI, to their credit, has a low threshold for posts repeatedly arguing back and forth, so as not to disrespect the great fans over here I will try and back away from this argument.

By the way, from reading your post, I don't think you really know very much about wrestling, I can recommend a few good books that might help you so you can sound more educated next time and keep up with the conversations on this board. (sorry BWI, I couldn't resist one last shot)
 
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No dippy, that was not what transpired for MM's final series of points....I'm laughing at you or anyone else that thinks what Bo did was an attempted "ankle pick" when he initially threw Martin directly to his back (and Martin absolutely landed square on his back before attempting and barely getting a roll-thru directly on the "bounce" of the landing).

You are now officially (you were already but now it is official) an EMBARASSMENT to Penn State.
Hopefully you get banned like you did on all of your previous names. In lieu of that I am putting you on ignore which I should have done years ago and I urge everyone (both PSU fans and guests) to do the same.
 

video is pay only....not general viewing. BTW, MM's final points were not off MM's own "shot" and attempted ankle pick counter - you can post all the un-viewable videos you like, it still is not the case Spalding. MM's final points were via a very fortunate counter at the edge after Bo threw him to his back.
 
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