Perhaps. Still some value a week of coaching by NFL staff provides that a normal bowl does not.
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I respectfully disagree. While I agree with your first two paragraphs, I cannot fathom a coach agreeing to let a player burn a shirt in a meaningless game even if it helps the team perform better. Makes no sense at all to me but just my opinion. I guess we will find out around 4:00 next Saturday. I will be shocked to see Kobe King unless it is his 4th game. Take it to the bank that shirt will not be burned for this scrimmage.
Yep, I must believe that the players have more say in their redshirting or not. Which I have actually heard Franklin say in the past.
We'll disagree. And I won't "take it to the bank"........
So let me get this straight then. You are saying King will burn the shirt for this game correct?
I'm saying it's a decision that will be made between Franklin and King. And that if Franklin tells him that if he plays he would make a significant contribution due to Smith and Brooks not playing, no one here can really predict what that decision will be.
And that that potential conversation will have meaning due to the shortage of LB's available for this game. The team has to roll with the punches and change plans on the fly at times due to roster changes.
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They took the greatest sport in the world and turned it into a chaotic crap show!
Fair enough, I'm simply saying that conversation will never happen for THIS bowl game.
From what the reporters saw of practice, they believe Sutherland, Luketa and Jacobs start at LB. And they also are under the impression that King and Buddin will try and keep their redshirts going.........
Interesting that they say that TCF has not been seen with the team, so they believe King starts at CB. but wasn't there pictures of TCF arriving in Tampa?
Will be interesting to see who plays.
They also believe Fashanu will start at LT. Hope he plays well and takes over the position, but Tengwall played pretty well there in the game he got extensive playing time in, so I'm betting that Tengwall finds a position and starts in 2022 regardless of how much he plays against Arkansas.
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Interesting that they say that TCF has not been seen with the team, so they believe King starts at CB. but wasn't there pictures of TCF arriving in Tampa?
Will be interesting to see who plays.
They also believe Fashanu will start at LT. Hope he plays well and takes over the position, but Tengwall played pretty well there in the game he got extensive playing time in, so I'm betting that Tengwall finds a position and starts in 2022 regardless of how much he plays against Arkansas.
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Penn State is likely to look far different when it takes the field against Arkansas in the Outback Bowl.
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If King, Budddin and I think (so don't hold me to it) C. Holmes play in the bowl game then yes they will burn their RS.
I think another poster had it correct when he said the bowl games should not count towards your RS.
But more importantly if these players are good they are not sticking around for their final year so might as well burn it and get them up to speed for next season. JMO.
The hard part is figuring out now if they will be good enough to walk their senior year. Obviously, the Parsons type is easy but how many of us would have predicted Ellis Brooks leaving, which I still equate to Garrett Sickles leaving early. Huge mistake in my opinion.
Wasn't this Brooks 5th year at PSU? I think many of us thought at the start he wouldn't be back but then most of us, including me, didn't anticipate the type of season he would have. And no I don't agree at all with your comparison of Sickles.
MLB King and Buddin will be at PSU 4 years, not 5. Play them if you have to. What the new bowl outlook means is that people, rightfully so, are out for themselves. Therefore PSU needs to do what is best for them as far as playing.
My concern is again development that Elsdon and Katshir can’t be counted on to see significant playing time.
I also still wish Fisher was a MLB.
My concern is again development that Elsdon and Katshir can’t be counted on to see significant playing time.
I also still wish Fisher was a MLB.
senior bowl is more like the draft combine than a bowl game. Its a place to get extended evaluation by pro coaches and scouting staff. while the player goes through "real" drills. Lots of guys do the work outs bt don't play the game as well.
BBrown, you are correct on year five for Brooks, I guess my surprise was that he chose not to play. I don't see him being drafted but a free agent. Hope he makes it, thought he had a really good year but he's not an NFL LB. I thought Lamont Wade made the same mistake Sickles did. I said he would be a free agent for a bout a week and I think he was. Not sure if much would have changed if he came back but I thought he made a mistake. The kids that go in the first two rounds I don't blame at all.
I wasn't surprised. His hand has been in a cast for at least the last 3 games and he re-injured it in the MSU game.
I guess I like Brooks a little more than you. I think he will be drafted.
All of the opt outs are just the way it is now. Every team that isn't in the playoffs is being affected by it - especially teams with a ton of NFL talent. Basically, the non-Playoff bowls have become a 2nd rate backup for the Playoffs. Like it or not, that's just the way it is.
That's why I think you'll see a big push to expand the Playoffs which will include more Bowls in the main event. The Rose Bowl - the grandaddy of them all - has no importance this year. 20 years ago, the Rose was the ultimate goal of every Big Ten and PAC team. Welcome to CF - 2021 version
That's why I think you'll see a big push to expand the Playoffs which will include more Bowls in the main event. The Rose Bowl - the grandaddy of them all - has no importance this year. 20 years ago, the Rose was the ultimate goal of every Big Ten and PAC team. Welcome to CF - 2021 version
Yep, I'm hoping that both King and Buddin play, and start. But I don't see that happening based on reports that Sutherland likely starts at Sam along with Luketa at Mike.
The other positive for them playing, along with getting more experience going into Spring practice and prep for 2022 is that saving the redshirt can come in handy in the future. Mustipher didn't redshirt and ended up getting hurt as a Senior, his 4th year. With the Covid year Mustipher obviously can come back if he chooses to, and he might not have qualified for a redshirt as he played in 5+ games. But if a player gets hurt going into his senior season or early in his senior season (any season really, but more important for senior year for a player trying to get to NFL), he can come back and prove to the NFL teams that he is an NFL player by playing in his 5th season.
Ummm, do you know how much revenue the PSU football team generates in a single season?
Somebody explain to me when college football changed from getting an education and making a good life for yourself turned into a multi million dollar business and people who have no interest in education are making out from it. Is this contributing to the dumbing down of America?
People spent $thousands to go see a New Years bowl game but instead they're going to see a Blue White game without the new freshmen.
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Why? Everyone on the team and the staff probably knew weeks in advance.
Does anyone know who on Arkansas has opted out? I haven't heard a thing about them.
All is a big word/claim....but many of our players were in fact guys with character...many of whom attended classes that I took. My Accounting class had 6 or 7 players...I sat next to Matt Johnson who did well for himself in Finance. Eddie Johnson and Brennan Gartner (Safety...-10 spelling) were others there. Every class. Real students. I remember Todd Moules was always in the Library in the same section a few rooms to the left in Pattee. One of my roommates took Ag classes with Rich Kuzy...guy was a legit student.
We had creeps too...but in any sample of 100 people you will find outliers. I remember being drilled by some Notre Dame Subway Alum about our guys redshirting and majoring in things like Parks&Rec or some other less haughty major....my argument was that we are a state school offering many courses of study...how many of their guys really deserved to get in...and are they held to the same standards as their peers?
It's all pretty moot at this point.
