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Does it seem odd that the judge announced he would issue the opinion

It's also possible that some hated the witch hunt and media backlash that they need the first trial to be a "sham" because the BoT allowed and made it about PSU instead of Jerry? Many feel Jerry is where he belongs and aren't crying foul for him. It doesn't make them out to get PSU or hate PSU or whatever the hell else gets floated around here. There was a ton of collateral damage and it did suck...but was it really the mistrial of the century?

Well I would put OJ in that category, and at least for me the BoT gets as much of my wrath as the OAG however IMO the OAG, CYS and DPW had much to lose if the case was not about Penn State but about how 1998 was mishandled. As Ray has said the state had enough of a case w/o the shower episode to convict JS. I presume you believe that also because you have repeatedly said you believe all the vics and felt they were compelling in their testimony. Without rehashing history the whole Cynthia Baldwin episode convinced me the fix was in early on. No one of the stature of Baldwin those judges and those lawyers prosecutors were that dumb. They knew what they were doing all along.
So if Dem's hypothetical wish were to come true that would be like an early Christmas. But that ain't happenen, Why pluck defeat from the jaws of victory if you are the Pa legal system.
 
Only God knows!
If that makes you sleep better at night, so be it. There are those humans he molested and testified against him so maybe only God, Jerry, and all of his victims...and anyone else not pretending it didn't happen.

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I'm pretty sure they got it right at the end of the day.
If getting it right requires: PSP who lie under oath
manipulating times, dates and locations
obtaining convictions for "crimes" with victims "known only to God"
The majority of victims to recant their previous testimonies of no abuse
Relying on the "excited utterance" of a "crying" janitor....who on tape stated that what he witnessed didn't involve Sandusky.......other than that, yes, they mostly got it right. LOL
 
If that makes you sleep better at night, so be it. There are those humans he molested and testified against him so maybe only God, Jerry, and all of his victims...and anyone else not pretending it didn't happen.

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If that makes you sleep better at night, so be it. There are those humans he molested and testified against him so maybe only God, Jerry, and all of his victims...and anyone else not pretending it didn't happen.

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On the contrary, it makes me cry like a janitor.....oh wait!
 
If getting it right requires: PSP who lie under oath
manipulating times, dates and locations
obtaining convictions for "crimes" with victims "known only to God"
The majority of victims to recant their previous testimonies of no abuse
Relying on the "excited utterance" of a "crying" janitor....who on tape stated that what he witnessed didn't involve Sandusky.......other than that, yes, they mostly got it right. LOL
Yep...molestation is fake as kids know to take those DNA samples...good stuff. Kids lie, just like anyone else who ever got a settlement. Jerry tripped into those showers. He just kept getting faked into being alone with little boys...those tricky parents and kids...going back 15 years to set him up for this...what a well executed plan. Damn...they were good.
 
Yep...molestation is fake as kids know to take those DNA samples...good stuff. Kids lie, just like anyone else who ever got a settlement. Jerry tripped into those showers. He just kept getting faked into being alone with little boys...those tricky parents and kids...going back 15 years to set him up for this...what a well executed plan. Damn...they were good.
They didn't set him up 15 years ago......there was no money on the table then. "Kids lie, just like anyone else who gets a settlement." Those are your words, I have nothing to add. The "victim" who claimed to be anally raped in Jerry's basement should have been examined....that would have been valuable evidence.
 
They didn't set him up 15 years ago......there was no money on the table then. "Kids lie, just like anyone else who gets a settlement." Those are your words, I have nothing to add. The "victim" who claimed to be anally raped in Jerry's basement should have been examined....that would have been valuable evidence.
Should have been examined when? Do you realize that most victims don't come forward until they are adults if they even do at all or do you just block that out as a myth or something? Money or not, you do understand that is why people like Jerry get away with this stuff as kids are afraid to tell or confused by it.. Kids aren't picking up the phone and calling the police in most cases. Do you really not understand that or you just think that is made up by experts in that field? It sounds like to me unless a kid calls the cops that night and gets a rape kit done, it didn't happen according to you. I mean that is fine, some people don't think 911 was real and a few still think the world is flat too. At least I now know that you don't believe this occurred much like franco and a few others.
 
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Should have been examined when? Do you realize that most victims don't come forward until they are adults if they even do at all or do you just block that out as a myth or something? Money or not, you do understand that is why people like Jerry get away with this stuff as kids are afraid to tell or confused by it.. Kids aren't picking up the phone and calling the police in most cases. Do you really not understand that or you just think that is made up by experts in that field? It sounds like to me unless a kid calls the cops that night and gets a rape kit done, it didn't happen according to you. I mean that is fine, some people don't think 911 was real and a few still think the world is flat too. At least I now know that you don't believe this occurred much like franco and a few others.
What's really fascinating to me, is how much you care what I, or anyone else thinks on this matter. I'm not trying to change your mind. Follow your own advice....believe whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
What's really fascinating to me, is how much you care what I, or anyone else thinks on this matter. I'm not trying to change your mind. Follow your own advice....believe whatever helps you sleep at night.
No worries marshall. I can see if you ignore what really happens with abuse how you could believe what you typed.
 
No worries marshall. I can see if you ignore what really happens with abuse how you could believe what you typed.
I'll admit I'm not an expert, how about you? I do have a good nose for detecting liars however.......and there are a bunch of them posing as "victims." I also know there are lying police who actively urged potential victims to embellish their stories.....we've heard that on tape. Right? So if you believe all the victims and their stories and everything the prosecutors did to manipulate the case, then good for you. I will disagree.
 
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I'll admit I'm not an expert, how about you? I do have a good nose for detecting liars however.......and there are a bunch of them posing as "victims." I also know there are lying police who actively urged potential victims to embellish their stories.....we've heard that on tape. Right? So if you believe all the victims and their stories and everything the prosecutors did to manipulate the case, then good for you. I will disagree.
I am far from an expert, but I don't think saying most victims don't report it or come forward as children is some earth shattering news, but maybe you really don't know this. I get why some want so badly for this to be false...really I do.
 
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I haven't followed the trial for even 1 minute so I can't speak to the merit of the case other than these things are almost never granted (correct?). Announcing 3 days early that a decision will be released at high noon on Wednesday speaks more to denial of the case IMO. No judge is going to blow up the JS trial now. If the judge was going to throw out this conviction (and deal with the fallout), he'd release it at 4:55 pm on Friday and get out of town for a few days.
Perhaps the Judge could hide out in a cabin with Victim 2, aka the victim "known only by God"
 
Unfortunately your view is wayyyy too binary. A new trial on all issues is almost impossible to imagine. Striking the 'boy in the shower' charges leaves Jerry to rot in the same prison cell he is in, but defeats a big chunk of the narrative that was used to F PSU.

It might also cause some fiduciary discomfort on the part of some on the BOT, and their lawyers.
Who exactly would enforce that "fiduciary discomfort?" They've gotten off completely so far, $300 million and counting.
 
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Should have been examined when? Do you realize that most victims don't come forward until they are adults if they even do at all or do you just block that out as a myth or something? Money or not, you do understand that is why people like Jerry get away with this stuff as kids are afraid to tell or confused by it.. Kids aren't picking up the phone and calling the police in most cases. Do you really not understand that or you just think that is made up by experts in that field? It sounds like to me unless a kid calls the cops that night and gets a rape kit done, it didn't happen according to you. I mean that is fine, some people don't think 911 was real and a few still think the world is flat too. At least I now know that you don't believe this occurred much like franco and a few others.
I am far from an expert, but I don't think saying most victims don't report it or come forward as children is some earth shattering news, but maybe you really don't know this. I get why some want so badly for this to be false...really I do.

I have done some very extensive research in this matter, and though many years of exhaustive and challenging studies, my in depth analysis has shown that the best way to help a "victim" remember something that he has claimed never happened is this:

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Yes my friends. I have found that millions of dollars will help "refresh" anyone's memory. Some people just need a higher dose of the green than others.
 
I have done some very extensive research in this matter, and though many years of exhaustive and challenging studies, my in depth analysis has shown that the best way to help a "victim" remember something that he has claimed never happened is this:

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Yes my friends. I have found that millions of dollars will help "refresh" anyone's memory. Some people just need a higher dose of the green than others.
Odd I have studied fanatics and they will totally tune out reality if it impacts their life. This site is a perfect case study for a small vocal minority. They deny Jerry molested anyone because they don't want to accept the reality.
 
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Odd I have studied fanatics and they will totally tune out reality if it impacts their life. This site is a perfect case study for a small vocal minority. They deny Jerry molested anyone because they don't want to accept the reality.
Questioning the credibility of some "victims" is not the same as believing that JS is completely innocent.
 
Odd I have studied fanatics and they will totally tune out reality if it impacts their life. This site is a perfect case study for a small vocal minority. They deny Jerry molested anyone because they don't want to accept the reality.
Interesting.Where does one matriculate to make a study of fanatics?
 
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Should have been examined when? Do you realize that most victims don't come forward until they are adults if they even do at all or do you just block that out as a myth or something? Money or not, you do understand that is why people like Jerry get away with this stuff as kids are afraid to tell or confused by it.. Kids aren't picking up the phone and calling the police in most cases. Do you really not understand that or you just think that is made up by experts in that field? It sounds like to me unless a kid calls the cops that night and gets a rape kit done, it didn't happen according to you. I mean that is fine, some people don't think 911 was real and a few still think the world is flat too. At least I now know that you don't believe this occurred much like franco and a few others.
Agree, but it's not that most didn't come forward. NONE came forward. And becoming an adult didn't get them to come forward. A LAWYER telling them that he can fix their repressed memory and get them $millions got them to come forward.

I disagree when you call people deniers when they question some of the accusers.
 
Odd I have studied fanatics and they will totally tune out reality if it impacts their life. This site is a perfect case study for a small vocal minority. They deny Jerry molested anyone because they don't want to accept the reality.

What I wonder is when did "the end justifies the means" replace the constitutional right to a fair trial? Sorry if this is a typical question posed by a "fanatic."
 
Agree, but it's not that most didn't come forward. NONE came forward. And becoming an adult didn't get them to come forward. A LAWYER telling them that he can fix their repressed memory and get them $millions got them to come forward.

I disagree when you call people deniers when they question some of the accusers.

I disagree with people that attack victims of abuse because they hate Joe got dragged through the mud. I hate Joe got wrongfully brought into this mess, but I sure as hell won't act as if Jerry is innocent because of that.

There is NO perfect judicial system. There is no perfect trial. It doesn't exist and while some like to pretend it exists...it doesn't and never has.
People being afraid to take down a nationally recognized person or respected person...well that never happens. I guess everyone here has a price where they would send an innocent man to jail....maybe that is what people are getting at. I guess that must be it, some soul less people here but hey they sure want to play that moral card and constitution card as fast as they can. They are high on fair trials, but victims rights or victims of abuse by Jerry are fine to go after.

Not pointing you out either as you're fairly balanced, so please don't take it that way.
 
Interesting.Where does one matriculate to make a study of fanatics?

He doesn't realize he's describing himself when he talks about fanatics. I don't know what this troll's so worried about. Was he abused by JS? Is that why he spends so much time on a message board for a school to which he has zero connection? If he were concerned about the welfare of children in the state of PA I could understand but I don't think he even lives in PA. SMH.
 
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What I wonder is when did "the end justifies the means" replace the constitutional right to a fair trial? Sorry if this is a typical question posed by a "fanatic."
Exactly, at what point do you let some of the victims be? They all need to rehash their abuse for you so you can say...well it was only 37 counts...you see Jerry wasn't that bad. Then you hide behind the Constitution like it somehow makes this crap look better? There is no such thing as a fair trial in any nation on this planet, but oddly enough this one they got right. What sucks to me is you do this for Joe...yet you read Scott's tweet to JZ and you just shake your head as to how people think they are helping here. When good intentions go bad...really bad.
 
He doesn't realize he's describing himself when he talks about fanatics. I don't know what this troll's so worried about. Was he abused by JS? Is that why he spends so much time on a message board for a school to which he has zero connection? If he were concerned about the welfare of children in the state of PA I could understand but I don't think he even lives in PA. SMH.
Says the man who has hundreds of handles and is a perma troll that has been banned from pretty much every PSU site online. Odd you seem to want to shut me up...what's the matter do I crush your hopes that it was all a bad dream and it didn't happen pnny? Get mad at me because I don't think Jerry is some victim...oh well. Then you bring the kids into this like you give a flying f--k there. This is and has been about one thing for you and at least one other person...all about Joe. You idolized the man and cannot handle what happened to him. I get it...you're hurting..it sucked, but seriously, it's time to come to grips with it.

Take it out on me...let it all out pnny. Maybe a good cry will help?
 
Exactly, at what point do you let some of the victims be? They all need to rehash their abuse for you so you can say...well it was only 37 counts...you see Jerry wasn't that bad. Then you hide behind the Constitution like it somehow makes this crap look better? There is no such thing as a fair trial in any nation on this planet, but oddly enough this one they got right. What sucks to me is you do this for Joe...yet you read Scott's tweet to JZ and you just shake your head as to how people think they are helping here. When good intentions go bad...really bad.
You are really grasping at straws. Your reply is totally unrelated to my post. Hiding behind the constitution? If having the expectation of a fair trial is hiding... then color me camoflauge.
 
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One man was brought to justice while another was vilified. If you consider that “right” at the end of the day then I feel sorry for you.
I disagree with people that attack victims of abuse because they hate Joe got dragged through the mud. I hate he got brought into this, but I sure as hell won't act as if Jerry is innocent because of that. There is NO perfect judicial system. There is no perfect trial. It doesn't exist and while some like to pretend it exists...it doesn't and never has. People being afraid to take down a nationally recognized person or respected person...well that never happens. I guess everyone here has a price where they would send an innocent man to jail....maybe that is what people are getting at. I guess that must be it, some souless people here but hey they sure want to play that moral card and constitution card as fast as they can.
I agree that it's wrong to attack victims but I don't agree that it's wrong to question accusers with suspicious claims. Same is true with MM. It's usually wrong to attack a whistleblower but it's not wrong to question his inconsistent statements.

I'm not sure that anybody other than Zeigler thinks that JS is completely innocent. But that doesn't mean that all the claims were valid.
 
I agree that it's wrong to attack victims but I don't agree that it's wrong to question accusers with suspicious claims. Same is true with MM. It's usually wrong to attack a whistleblower but it's not wrong to question his inconsistent statements.

I'm not sure that anybody other than Zeigler thinks that JS is completely innocent. But that doesn't mean that all the claims were valid.

I don't even buy that. He loved the attention and thought he could Alex Jones his way into the world to be honest. Just seeing that dating show clip made me kind of realize he was chasing some fame...some people need it. Look at the 1k offer this weekend...it's more of an attention grab. It's just what he does. He never had that big bombshell, but he wrapped them up that way. He knew saying Jerry is innocent would grab some attention and knew some wanted to believe it. I put him a step above a con man preying on seniors for money...and his site does ask for donations.

Fair enough...Michigan, Michigan, Michigan.
 
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You are really grasping at straws. Your reply is totally unrelated to my post. Hiding behind the constitution? If having the expectation of a fair trial is hiding... then color me camoflauge.

Grasping at what. You though the kids should have all called 911 or something...it's as if you don't even want to comprehend what occurred. I don't defend the OAG exaggerations, I just won't shed a tear for that monster...sorry if that rubs you and some others the wrong way.
 
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I agree that it's wrong to attack victims but I don't agree that it's wrong to question accusers with suspicious claims. Same is true with MM. It's usually wrong to attack a whistleblower but it's not wrong to question his inconsistent statements.

I'm not sure that anybody other than Zeigler thinks that JS is completely innocent. But that doesn't mean that all the claims were valid.

When you think about it, many of our trolls on here are like Zeigler-lite. They just want attention, so they repeat SSDD over and over. What they post doesn't have to make sense or be relevant to the discussion, as long as it drums up attention. The more extreme their view point, the more attention they get. Subconsciously, the reason they hate Zeigler is because he is better at it than they are.

That's why the only way to deal with them is to put them on ignore, it takes away the one thing they so desperately want... attention.
 
on Weds just AFTER Gameday said it was coming? Suppose the judge throws out the charges re the kid in the shower? Isn't that the linchpin of Penn State's connection to the case?

Suppose the judge sympathizes with PSU and wants to give PSU this win in front of the whole world?

Yeah, pipe dream, I know.:(
Haven’t you learned yet that it not going to happen? Seriously you would think after 6 years of waiting for some magical break in this case only to be disappointed that people would stop the rediculous delusions of grandeur. They are not going to throw out any charges he was convicted on. They will either deny his request or grant him a new trial. If he gets a new trial it just going to be another round of Penn State hit pieces by the media. It not like the media is actually going to support Penn State. If by some miracle Sandusky acquitted on all charges at the new trial in the court of public opinion he will be as innocent as OJ was.
 
Says the man who has hundreds of handles and is a perma troll that has been banned from pretty much every PSU site online. Odd you seem to want to shut me up...what's the matter do I crush your hopes that it was all a bad dream and it didn't happen pnny? Get mad at me because I don't think Jerry is some victim...oh well. Then you bring the kids into this like you give a flying f--k there. This is and has been about one thing for you and at least one other person...all about Joe. You idolized the man and cannot handle what happened to him. I get it...you're hurting..it sucked, but seriously, it's time to come to grips with it.

Take it out on me...let it all out pnny. Maybe a good cry will help?

Who the hell is pnny? The fact that you think I am one of this person's many message board names is proof positive that you are truly clueless.

Once again - why are you so invested in the JS scandal as someone who has no connection to PSU, State College, or the state of PA for that matter?

Penn State can do without fake fans like you.
 
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The thing on this LaJolla is that I have very little doubt that Jerry is guilty. The only doubt that creeps into my mind about him is the way things were done in the trial, written in the presentment, presented in the media, etc... If the case was such a sure thing, I’m not sure why they had to go at it the way they did.
That said, I don’t know if another trial is warranted or not. I’m sure if it was held the verdict would end up with Sandusky in jail for the rest of his life as he is now. I’m more interested in hearing the other parties (Curley, Schultz, Harmon, McQueary, etc...) in this case speak.
 
Haven’t you learned yet that it not going to happen? Seriously you would think after 6 years of waiting for some magical break in this case only to be disappointed that people would stop the rediculous delusions of grandeur. They are not going to throw out any charges he was convicted on. They will either deny his request or grant him a new trial. If he gets a new trial it just going to be another round of Penn State hit pieces by the media. It not like the media is actually going to support Penn State. If by some miracle Sandusky acquitted on all charges at the new trial in the court of public opinion he will be as innocent as OJ was.
I did not say anything about Jerry being acquitted or getting a new trial, except that a new trial was nearly an impossibility.

The number of cases in which the victim is "known only to God," and the conviction sticks, while the unknown victim publicly collects millions, is pretty small.

You seem to think the only reason there is a PCRA is because some message board posters want one. Newsflash: there would be one anyway. PSU is back in the news anyway.

There is a way this could be less bad for PSU. SORRY you're too embittered to see how it is.
 
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