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Don't know when it will happen but this offense is going to explode.

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May not be this week but soon. The O line is solid, we have great talent in the running backs, the receivers are talented and both the backs and receivers have game-breaking speed.

As I see it the big issue with the O is Clifford, which was expected with a new QB running such a complex offense. In all offenses, the QB is critical to passing. And, just like a good running game opens up the passing game, a good passing game will open up the run game as Ds adjust to stopping the pass. But in the RPO the QB is also critical to the running game.

In the RPO how the QB plays is critical to both. Being able to read the D option man and make a quick decision takes a lot of experience. And knowing just when to release the ball, pull it back, pass it, or pitch it to a back is the difference between success or getting stuffed.

You need to wait until the D option man has committed before making your decision. On inside runs, wait a bit longer before pulling the ball out and the QB will have more room when he decides to keep it. Do that a few times the Ds will come at him, allowing a quick handoff to the back will for a big gainer.

And on outside pitches, hang on a hair longer to make the D option man commit to him. Against Mich, he often pitched it too soon and the option man then was able to pursue the back. Holding the ball another half second would force the D to commit and give the back room to run.

Its all about timing.

Clifford also has happy feet and often leaves the pocket too quickly and gets sacked or rushed by a D that would otherwise have been controlled by the O line. He also seems to be too ramped up at the start of the games. Once he calms down in the pocket, things will improve quickly.

He sometimes looks great but others seems a bit flustered. The experience he is getting will cure that. And when he does, its Katy Bar the Door. He will make better passes, which will open up the run game. And when he starts making better, more timely reads, the running backs will run free.

That will get Ds all discombobulated and the O will EXPLODE!

Once Clifford starts clicking, we will run the table.
 
May not be this week but soon. The O line is solid, we have great talent in the running backs, the receivers are talented and both the backs and receivers have game-breaking speed.

As I see it the big issue with the O is Clifford, which was expected with a new QB running such a complex offense. In all offenses, the QB is critical to passing. And, just like a good running game opens up the passing game, a good passing game will open up the run game as Ds adjust to stopping the pass. But in the RPO the QB is also critical to the running game.

In the RPO how the QB plays is critical to both. Being able to read the D option man and make a quick decision takes a lot of experience. And knowing just when to release the ball, pull it back, pass it, or pitch it to a back is the difference between success or getting stuffed.

You need to wait until the D option man has committed before making your decision. On inside runs, wait a bit longer before pulling the ball out and the QB will have more room when he decides to keep it. Do that a few times the Ds will come at him, allowing a quick handoff to the back will for a big gainer.

And on outside pitches, hang on a hair longer to make the D option man commit to him. Against Mich, he often pitched it too soon and the option man then was able to pursue the back. Holding the ball another half second would force the D to commit and give the back room to run.

Its all about timing.

Clifford also has happy feet and often leaves the pocket too quickly and gets sacked or rushed by a D that would otherwise have been controlled by the O line. He also seems to be too ramped up at the start of the games. Once he calms down in the pocket, things will improve quickly.

He sometimes looks great but others seems a bit flustered. The experience he is getting will cure that. And when he does, its Katy Bar the Door. He will make better passes, which will open up the run game. And when he starts making better, more timely reads, the running backs will run free.

That will get Ds all discombobulated and the O will EXPLODE!

Once Clifford starts clicking, we will run the table.
He had a great first half against Michigan. He needs to take what the defense gives him. The coaches do a great job scripting the first half. But he needs to see the field once the script runs out.
 
Hope it happens before we play Rutgers because that won't count for anything.
 
He needs to actually go through his progressions rather than locking in on hamler every time. Their romance is cute but I think he’s taking it too far. The protection hasn’t been great though. Hoping to see more deep balls getting out early to the big targets. A timely accurate throw on a crossing route over the middle would be nice as well.
 
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Tough to get a rhythm playing 3 tough sound defenses with excellent coaching. Not exactly games to turn the corner but what Clifford and the offense did was survive the first 2 and made plays needed, ended games on their terms and didn’t make mistakes or turnovers. I have a feeling this offense will look totally different after the bye week, let us hope for 1 more mistake free ball game on the way there
 
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He needs to actually go through his progressions rather than locking in on hamler every time. Their romance is cute but I think he’s taking it too far. The protection hasn’t been great though. Hoping to see more deep balls getting out early to the big targets. A timely accurate throw on a crossing route over the middle would be nice as well.
Or maybe Hamler is the only one getting open...but that wouldn’t let you get your little dig in would it?
 
Maybe some help from the D , a turnover or 6 like at MD will get things rolling
 
He needs to actually go through his progressions rather than locking in on hamler every time. Their romance is cute but I think he’s taking it too far. The protection hasn’t been great though. Hoping to see more deep balls getting out early to the big targets. A timely accurate throw on a crossing route over the middle would be nice as well.

That crossing pattern to Shorter was there but the ball got batted down. Bummer...Would have been a big gain if he hit him in stride.
 
It will come together once we decide on a running back rotation, i.e. Cain and Brown. We also need to get Dotson the ball more often, as I believe he is the best true receiver on the team, no disrespect to Hamler. If these things happen we can see the true potential of this offense. The game plan in the second half of the Michigan game will lead to multiple losses in the future. I don’t care what anybody says about the Michigan defense etc., that crap not using the best rb, was inexcusable and Clifford is not experienced enough to beat a defense himself consistently without a running game to support him
 
Easy to criticize, but Clifford is in my opinion off to maybe best start of any PSU QB in past 30 years —7-0, 16 TDs, 2 INTs— lot on his shoulder first yr of starting— he will only get better. Love his attitude and toughness( this is from fan who has made most home games since graduating in 82 and big fan of Blackledge, Collins, McSorley, Robinson, Clark etc)
 
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Glen Mason ranks our OL second in the conference behind Ohio State’s. Does that hurt some common narratives around here?
 
Or maybe Hamler is the only one getting open...but that wouldn’t let you get your little dig in would it?
Do you not worry that he's forcing things to his bestie rather than truly surveying the field? It's not much of a dig.
 
Do you not worry that he's forcing things to his bestie rather than truly surveying the field? It's not much of a dig.
How do you know “he’s forcing things to his bestie”? You sound like a jealous 12 year old girl. Great analysis Lombardi.
 
May not be this week but soon. The O line is solid, we have great talent in the running backs, the receivers are talented and both the backs and receivers have game-breaking speed.

As I see it the big issue with the O is Clifford, which was expected with a new QB running such a complex offense. In all offenses, the QB is critical to passing. And, just like a good running game opens up the passing game, a good passing game will open up the run game as Ds adjust to stopping the pass. But in the RPO the QB is also critical to the running game.

In the RPO how the QB plays is critical to both. Being able to read the D option man and make a quick decision takes a lot of experience. And knowing just when to release the ball, pull it back, pass it, or pitch it to a back is the difference between success or getting stuffed.

You need to wait until the D option man has committed before making your decision. On inside runs, wait a bit longer before pulling the ball out and the QB will have more room when he decides to keep it. Do that a few times the Ds will come at him, allowing a quick handoff to the back will for a big gainer.

And on outside pitches, hang on a hair longer to make the D option man commit to him. Against Mich, he often pitched it too soon and the option man then was able to pursue the back. Holding the ball another half second would force the D to commit and give the back room to run.

Its all about timing.

Clifford also has happy feet and often leaves the pocket too quickly and gets sacked or rushed by a D that would otherwise have been controlled by the O line. He also seems to be too ramped up at the start of the games. Once he calms down in the pocket, things will improve quickly.

He sometimes looks great but others seems a bit flustered. The experience he is getting will cure that. And when he does, its Katy Bar the Door. He will make better passes, which will open up the run game. And when he starts making better, more timely reads, the running backs will run free.

That will get Ds all discombobulated and the O will EXPLODE!

Once Clifford starts clicking, we will run the table.

I think the OL is better than critics believe and that Clifford is best served by a more up tempo pace in the offense. I take a counter intuitive approach. While he is learning give him less time to think. Trust in his natural gifts and that the OL will be a force to help him perform.
 
Easy to criticize, but Clifford is in my opinion off to maybe best start of any PSU QB in past 30 years —7-0, 16 TDs, 2 INTs— lot on his shoulder first yr of starting— he will only get better. Love his attitude and toughness( this is from fan who has made most home games since graduating in 82 and big fan of Blackledge, Collins, McSorley, Robinson, Clark etc)

If Clifford did not have the void spaces against Michigan, Pitt, Buffalo his stats would be amazing. We would be talking a trip to New York. Early for that, but the kid has been a great substitute for Trace.
 
How do you know “he’s forcing things to his bestie”? You sound like a jealous 12 year old girl. Great analysis Lombardi.
I don't KNOW it, but it sure looks like it and it makes sense considering their bond.
 
Glen Mason ranks our OL second in the conference behind Ohio State’s. Does that hurt some common narratives around here?
Could you imagine Saquon running behind this line? No more worrying about getting hit right after the handoff. He would be 8 or 9 yards per carry.
 
I don't KNOW it, but it sure looks like it and it makes sense considering their bond.
Looks like it based on what? Your years of coaching prowess or the fact that it’s what you think is happening so you’re looking for it?
 
Looks like it based on what? Your years of coaching prowess or the fact that it’s what you think is happening so you’re looking for it?
Yes, I think it is happening based on my feelings. It's OK that we don't agree.
 
Yes, I think it is happening based on my feelings. It's OK that we don't agree.
That’s fine but at least have some evidence of what you claim. Maybe he’s throwing to Hamler because he’s our best player and Clifford is being instructed to get him the ball. Maybe Hamler is the only one consistently getting open. The point is, you don’t know so there’s no sense criticizing Clifford for something you don’t know about.
 
That’s fine but at least have some evidence of what you claim. Maybe he’s throwing to Hamler because he’s our best player and Clifford is being instructed to get him the ball. Maybe Hamler is the only one consistently getting open. The point is, you don’t know so there’s no sense criticizing Clifford for something you don’t know about.

With all due respect I will continue sharing my baseless speculation. Isn't that the point of these boards?
I'm not a professional studying tape, but I believe Clifford is not regularly making it through his progressions. A lot of it has to do with being a first year starter. A lot has to do with the pressure from defenses. A lot has to do with his happy feet. A lot has to do with the coaches stressing limiting mistakes rather than making plays. Some probably has to do with his love for Hamler.

I expected OK out of Clifford this year. He has been good. I hope he's great by the time he faces Ohio.
 
With all due respect I will continue sharing my baseless speculation. Isn't that the point of these boards?
I'm not a professional studying tape, but I believe Clifford is not regularly making it through his progressions. A lot of it has to do with being a first year starter. A lot has to do with the pressure from defenses. A lot has to do with his happy feet. A lot has to do with the coaches stressing limiting mistakes rather than making plays. Some probably has to do with his love for Hamler.

I expected OK out of Clifford this year. He has been good. I hope he's great by the time he faces Ohio.
All those other reasons are legit, but you didn’t go with any of those, you went with his love for Hamler...that’s the kind of crap that makes this board hard to read a lot of the time.
 
All those other reasons are legit, but you didn’t go with any of those, you went with his love for Hamler...that’s the kind of crap that makes this board hard to read a lot of the time.
The one I mentioned is an easily correctable choice that I honestly believe is impacting his decision making. The rest are very challenging things that he is certainly already working on.
 
The one I mentioned is an easily correctable choice that I honestly believe is impacting his decision making. The rest are very challenging things that he is certainly already working on.
Then why not just say he needs to go through his progressions, or he needs to get other receivers involved? Why do you have to post that “their romance is cute, but it’s going too far”? What does that possibly add to a discussion about football other than a backhanded slam against a PSU player?
 
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The one I mentioned is an easily correctable choice that I honestly believe is impacting his decision making. The rest are very challenging things that he is certainly already working on.
Is he now having a love affair with Frier?
 
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