Draft Scout projects Barkley as the #1 RB in 2019 class

[marisa45]

Pretty cool, the site isn't as active as it used to be (before CBS purchased it) but to have him as the #1 rated sophomore RB and #2 overall RB is pretty cool.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1002768&draftyear=2019&genpos=RB

 

[sluggo72]

19 not 18 class?

 

[Raffycorn]

I believe they rank prospects assuming they will exhaust their college eligibility, not the year that they are eligible to declare.

 

[Obliviax]

19 not 18 class?

He has to declare for 2018. He can't do that until after the 2017 season is over. But there is a high probability that he will come out in the 2018 draft. If he stays healthy next season, a sure first rounder.

 

[sluggo72]

He has to declare for 2018. He can't do that until after the 2017 season is over. But there is a high probability that he will come out in the 2018 draft. If he stays healthy next season, a sure first rounder.
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Queue , James Earl Jones, "well, if he's a sure first rounder, why would he even play in 2017???" ( I kid, I kid)

 

[Nitt1300]

You can't pass up going early if you're a first round lock

 

[marisa45]

I believe they rank prospects assuming they will exhaust their college eligibility, not the year that they are eligible to declare.

Exactly, he will not be here past 2017 if he stays healthy so he's really a 2018 prospect but they recognize him as a 2019 prospect based on class.

 

[marisa45]

You can't pass up going early if you're a first round lock

We'll enjoy him while we have him.......and for his sake, I pray he stays healthy!

 

[BrucePa]

Step right up, Miles Sanders...! Your turn (in 2018).

 

[schoolie]

He has to declare for 2018. He can't do that until after the 2017 season is over. But there is a high probability that he will come out in the 2018 draft. If he stays healthy next season, a sure first rounder.

I certainly hope you are wrong. This is one kid I'd like to see at school for four years. He's been such a role model; take it to the final step. He'll be rich regardless what year he comes out. And please don't bore me with the injury story; they can happen anytime.

 

[kijanalives]

I certainly hope you are wrong. This is one kid I'd like to see at school for four years. He's been such a role model; take it to the final step. He'll be rich regardless what year he comes out. And please don't bore me with the injury story; they can happen anytime.

For the nth time, the key is getting to your second contract asap. New CBA limits rookie contract and ties you to a team for 3-5 years depending on draft position. Second contract, free agency is where most RB's make most money of their career. Scale of pay shifts downward age 28+. So getting there at 24/25 means you could squeeze an extra 2 yr deal in as opposed to 2nd contract at 26/27.
Ignoring injury risk to future earnings is ridiculous on your part. None of us would give up a chance to provide for your Grandchildren for one more free year of wear and tear and friends.
Also he will have graduated by 2018, possibly Dec 2017.
Try to avoid your own PSU bias and see what is actually best for the kid in this situation.
And before u ask, I totally back McCaffrey and Fournette sitting out when they may have $40 million on the line vs a meaningless Bowl
Game.

 

[bjf1991]

For the nth time, the key is getting to your second contract asap. New CBA limits rookie contract and ties you to a team for 3-5 years depending on draft position. Second contract, free agency is where most RB's make most money of their career. Scale of pay shifts downward age 28+. So getting there at 24/25 means you could squeeze an extra 2 yr deal in as opposed to 2nd contract at 26/27.
Ignoring injury risk to future earnings is ridiculous on your part. None of us would give up a chance to provide for your Grandchildren for one more free year of wear and tear and friends.
Also he will have graduated by 2018, possibly Dec 2017.
Try to avoid your own PSU bias and see what is actually best for the kid in this situation.
And before u ask, I totally back McCaffrey and Fournette sitting out when they may have $40 million on the line vs a meaningless Bowl
Game.

A lot can happen between "now and then".......but any RB who has 1st round ability, and a desire to play in the NFL, would be crazy if they didn't give a serious look to "coming out" ASAP

The tread comes off those tires damn quick

 

[PaoliLion]

we so soon forget that Christian Hackenberg was receiving similar projections early in his career. The draft projections are crap

 

[AWS1022]

I certainly hope you are wrong. This is one kid I'd like to see at school for four years. He's been such a role model; take it to the final step. He'll be rich regardless what year he comes out. And please don't bore me with the injury story; they can happen anytime.

You can't be serious. Yes, you can get hurt anytime but tacking on an additional 12-14 game season certainly enhances that possibility.

 

[BigKev420]

I certainly hope you are wrong. This is one kid I'd like to see at school for four years. He's been such a role model; take it to the final step. He'll be rich regardless what year he comes out. And please don't bore me with the injury story; they can happen anytime.

Runningbacks have a shorter lifespan in NFL. He would be foolish to come back. Unless enjoys being college, I see no reason for him to come back for his senior. He has nothing really to gain his stock is already high.

 

[marisa45]

we so soon forget that Christian Hackenberg was receiving similar projections early in his career. The draft projections are crap

This isn't early in Barkley's career. For a RB, he's in the home stretch. He's a projected first rounder and barring injury he's coming out a year early. Deal with it.

 

[bjf1991]

This isn't early in Barkley's career. For a RB, he's in the home stretch. He's a projected first rounder and barring injury he's coming out a year early. Deal with it.

You don't know what he will do

HE probably doesn't know what he would do

I think it makes sense to come out ASAP (if he is a first round talent).....and I think a lot of folks would agree

But neither you or I (or, probably even SB) know what he would do in the hypothetical

 

[marisa45]

You don't know what he will do

HE probably doesn't know what he would do

I think it makes sense to come out ASAP (if he is a first round talent).....and I think a lot of folks would agree

But neither you or I (or, probably even SB) know what he would do in the hypothetical

Fine, nobody knows, but what's the over / under? Barring a major injury, I'd say it's about a 90% chance he leaves as a junior.......and he should if that's the case. It is the case today as we sit here.........unless there is a major injury, that doesn't change. He's already put plenty on tape and we already have a good idea that the measurables will be off the charts, so I guess I don't see where the uncertainty lies.

 

[NittanyOpp]

Mocked at about 15 for 2018 drafts, early but theres a gauge.

 

[NittanyOpp]

Barkley unless he gets injured is gone after next year. cmon man, of course he is.

 

[21Guns]

Runningbacks have a shorter lifespan in NFL. He would be foolish to come back. Unless enjoys being college, I see no reason for him to come back for his senior. He has nothing really to gain his stock is already high.

This statement was true in 1997, not in 2017.

In todays' collegiate game, even the horses only carry the ball, at the maximum, for 20 to 25 carries per game, with much more passing and spread offenses in the modern game.

With a talent like Say Say, we'll take it game by game though, and hope for health, always. But, this ain't Curtis Enis toting 40 times and coming into Bears camp already worn down.

 

[schoolie]

For the nth time, the key is getting to your second contract asap. New CBA limits rookie contract and ties you to a team for 3-5 years depending on draft position. Second contract, free agency is where most RB's make most money of their career. Scale of pay shifts downward age 28+. So getting there at 24/25 means you could squeeze an extra 2 yr deal in as opposed to 2nd contract at 26/27.
Ignoring injury risk to future earnings is ridiculous on your part. None of us would give up a chance to provide for your Grandchildren for one more free year of wear and tear and friends.
Also he will have graduated by 2018, possibly Dec 2017.
Try to avoid your own PSU bias and see what is actually best for the kid in this situation.
And before u ask, I totally back McCaffrey and Fournette sitting out when they may have $40 million on the line vs a meaningless Bowl
Game.

You have your angle, I have mine. All opinions are just that. I'm just looking for one young man - a star of Barkley's stature - to say yeah, I'm coming back for my fourth year. Of course I understand your points.

 

[schoolie]

You can't be serious. Yes, you can get hurt anytime but tacking on an additional 12-14 game season certainly enhances that possibility.

Well, yes, I am being serious. Heaven hope it doesn't happen, but what's to say he doesn't incur a debilitating injury on Monday or next season that derails his NFL career. It can happen at any time. Look, this is my opinion. Period. Call me what you want; I'm just hoping somewhere along the line we have a star who stays and resists the money. That's all. End of discussion from my end. Not my decision, just my opinion.

 

[WPB_lion]

For the nth time, the key is getting to your second contract asap. New CBA limits rookie contract and ties you to a team for 3-5 years depending on draft position. Second contract, free agency is where most RB's make most money of their career. Scale of pay shifts downward age 28+. So getting there at 24/25 means you could squeeze an extra 2 yr deal in as opposed to 2nd contract at 26/27.
Ignoring injury risk to future earnings is ridiculous on your part. None of us would give up a chance to provide for your Grandchildren for one more free year of wear and tear and friends.
Also he will have graduated by 2018, possibly Dec 2017.
Try to avoid your own PSU bias and see what is actually best for the kid in this situation.
And before u ask, I totally back McCaffrey and Fournette sitting out when they may have $40 million on the line vs a meaningless Bowl
Game.

Agree with everything you say except the part about sitting out bowl games. I think and hope that sitting out bowl games will end up hurting these players' draft status. The "me first" attitude as opposed to being a team player is a sign of things to come.

What is next? Players sitting out NFL games because their team is no longer in the playoffs and the players are in their contract year? This trend needs to be nipped in the butt real fast and the NFL draft analysts would do the NFL a big favor if they downgraded these players' draft status based on their decision to skip the bowl game.

 

[creamery freak]

This statement was true in 1997, not in 2017.

In todays' collegiate game, even the horses only carry the ball, at the maximum, for 20 to 25 carries per game, with much more passing and spread offenses in the modern game.

With a talent like Say Say, we'll take it game by game though, and hope for health, always. But, this ain't Curtis Enis toting 40 times and coming into Bears camp already worn down.

Guns, you forgot to say Curtis Enis with a new suit on toting 40 times, come on man!

 

[21Guns]

Guns, you forgot to say Curtis Enis with a new suit on toting 40 times, come on man!

Hey, amigo, Curtis has a son who is THE MAN at wide receiver, and guess who he is interested in?

As far as I'm concerned let it be a zoot suit!

 

[lionlurker]

You don't know what he will do

HE probably doesn't know what he would do

I think it makes sense to come out ASAP (if he is a first round talent).....and I think a lot of folks would agree

But neither you or I (or, probably even SB) know what he would do in the hypothetical

There is no running back in the last ten years that has had his degree of success that has NOT come out early. Can you even name a really good running back that has stayed all four years, recently, after running for over a thousand yards in both of his first two years?

 

[AWS1022]

Well, yes, I am being serious. Heaven hope it doesn't happen, but what's to say he doesn't incur a debilitating injury on Monday or next season that derails his NFL career. It can happen at any time. Look, this is my opinion. Period. Call me what you want; I'm just hoping somewhere along the line we have a star who stays and resists the money. That's all. End of discussion from my end. Not my decision, just my opinion.

Why? What does a star resisting the money do for anyone? Selfishly, I would love for him to stay and play another year for us...but that would be a really dumb thing for him to do. Unique talents have to be treated uniquely....he has his whole life to get his degree but he doesn't have his whole life to be an NFL running back.

 

[Madsol]

Agree with everything you say except the part about sitting out bowl games. I think and hope that sitting out bowl games will end up hurting these players' draft status. The "me first" attitude as opposed to being a team player is a sign of things to come.

What is next? Players sitting out NFL games because their team is no longer in the playoffs and the players are in their contract year? This trend needs to be nipped in the butt real fast and the NFL draft analysts would do the NFL a big favor if they downgraded these players' draft status based on their decision to skip the bowl game.

Agreed. And this repeated claim about "meaningless bowl games" has to stop. Unless you are competing for a conference championship, they are no less meaningful than any other game you play. The records count. The stats count. It's another game. If a bowl game is meaningless, then so was every game we played in 2012 and 2013 when we were under sanctions. And so was every game in 2014 and 2015 once we were eliminated from contending for the B1G East championship. I'm sorry but that's a loser mentality. A bowl game is not like the Blue-White game; now THAT is a meaningless game, although can still be fun. But bowl games count and oftentimes set a tone, either good or bad, for the next season. IMHO, our dismantling of a top 10 Tennessee team in a "meaningless" Citrus Bowl on January 1, 1994, set the tone for the magical 1994 season.

 

[bjf1991]

There is no running back in the last ten years that has had his degree of success that has NOT come out early. Can you even name a really good running back that has stayed all four years, recently, after running for over a thousand yards in both of his first two years?

Not sure exactly where they fit in in the "10 year" parameter, but:

DeAngelo Williams
CJ Spiller
Joseph Addai
Cedric Benson
Melvin Gordon
Doug Martin

Just to name a few

 

[BrucePa]

All of this brings up a point -- if Barkley stays 4 years, what does that tell Sanders or any other 5-star running back recruit? Come to Penn State, and you'll be the feature back for one year?

That situation appears to be in play at QB -- McSorley will be a SR/JR, Stevens a JR/SOPH, Zembiec a true SOPH -- with Sean Clifford coming in the 2017 class and Justin Fields coming in 2018. Are these guys coming to Penn State to play for one season as the starter?

 

[danvillenit]

It will work itself out. Guys don't pan out as expected due to injury or whatever. If there is too much overlap someone will transfer. Top programs recruit a top QB and RB every year.

 

[BrucePa]

It will work itself out. Guys don't pan out as expected due to injury or whatever. If there is too much overlap someone will transfer. Top programs recruit a top QB and RB every year.

Right, I get that, but these are 17- and 18-year old kids who are 4-star all-state talents, and they're coming here with the hopes that it'll work itself out? How does the coaching staff pitch that?

 

[danvillenit]

Top players believe they are the best. Most want to play for championships which means talented rosters. Jurkeovic verballed to ND for 18 despite ND signing a top QB in each of the prior three years.

 

[AWS1022]

All of this brings up a point -- if Barkley stays 4 years, what does that tell Sanders or any other 5-star running back recruit? Come to Penn State, and you'll be the feature back for one year?

That situation appears to be in play at QB -- McSorley will be a SR/JR, Stevens a JR/SOPH, Zembiec a true SOPH -- with Sean Clifford coming in the 2017 class and Justin Fields coming in 2018. Are these guys coming to Penn State to play for one season as the starter?

Guys will transfer...it happens at other schools all the time.

 

[EPC FAN]

Right, I get that, but these are 17- and 18-year old kids who are 4-star all-state talents, and they're coming here with the hopes that it'll work itself out? How does the coaching staff pitch that?

How does Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan. USC, or any blueblood pitch it? They're all glad to have the problem.