One of the problems with evaluating their recruits in this setting is the circle-jerk nature of recruiting rankings. If Iowa recruits a kid who is a 3 star, he stays a 3 star, but when he commits to ND or UM, he becomes 4 star.
Epic Michigan Meltdown
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I've commented on it multiple times in the recruiting thread, but Michigan under Harbaugh has the most chaotic, unorganized, lack-of-hustle recruiting effort that I've seen from a major program. There are example after example of them screwing up. It's a beautiful thing, hope it never changes. But those who want to call Harbaugh a "great coach" while running down Franklin.....the head coach of a major program, this is what is important. You are the CEO. Franklin has put together an amazing organization. They are on top of everything. The fact that Harbaugh is in charge of the offense, calls his own plays...great, wonderful. But when the rest of your organization is a sh#tshow?
Michigan's got so much to legitimately offer, that to think they won't end up recruiting well is wishful thinking. They have a great brand, a great campus, a great location (not to far from 80% of the country), a great academic university, a great deal of money, and a conference that advertises for them every chance it gets. Michigan's recruiting is almost automatic. The fact that Harbaugh can't take full advantage of it is pretty amazing, but the next guy will. Hoke did, for the most part. Recruiting for Michigan has to be a lot easier than for most places.
Their own people are saying they have major problems. "Wishful thinking" has nothing to do with it. And it's also possible for a major power to take a 20 year power nap. Look at what has happened to Nebraska. There are no guarantees in this life. If you are running a failing organization, recruits know. At Michigan, that may mean Top 30 recruiting classes instead of Top 10.
I just mean that moving forward, things will be fine with their recruiting. They will never drop to Pitt levels. For them, "bad" means 4 consecutive classes at #18. It's all relative.
Really, Judge, how bad do you think it's going to get for them? This may be a bad cycle, for them, but with their resources it is more likely that they'll fix things, than they won't.
I don't know what that guy was talking about, insofar as the "bad things" that he wouldn't mention, but I find it hard to believe that they'd fall any further than they already have. Get worse than Maryland? Can't see it.
Maybe if the "bad things" were Sandusky level I'd change my mind, but that's not happening.
I don't know what that guy was talking about, insofar as the "bad things" that he wouldn't mention, but I find it hard to believe that they'd fall any further than they already have. Get worse than Maryland? Can't see it.
Maybe if the "bad things" were Sandusky level I'd change my mind, but that's not happening.
That insider has his own recruiting service, appears as a regular on the Rivals podcast, has been a Michigan fixture for decades. He was at the coaching convention and spoke with Michigan asst coaches and coaches from other programs. The overwhelming opinion is that things are not "fine". Did you read the post? Nowhere did I say that Michigan was going to sink to Pitt's or Maryland's level. Michigan expects to win conference titles, which they haven't done for 14 years. If they continue to not win conference titles while recruiting at a level below the top of the Big Ten East, that's a big deal to Michigan fans. That isn't why they are paying Harbaugh, what, $9 million a year or whatever.
Agree that they aren't getting their money's worth from Harbaugh. Also agree that what they are doing won't get them to the Big Ten championship game, other than catching lightning in a bottle every so often. If the standard is going to be winning the division every year, you are right, they have a tough road to hoe. My point was that they aren't going to disappear into the depths. They can stay where they are by just treading water, since the school auto-recruits. And they did win 10 games the last two years, before this year.
This upcoming year will be a significant barometer for them.
This upcoming year will be a significant barometer for them.
michigan’s brand is hype on which they rarely deliver. That and hubris. leaders and best, michigan man, etc. All bullshit.
The location is O.K. in that ann arbor is a decent town. The problem is that it is in michigan with Detroit as the nearby city. ann arbor is not a destination.
I meant as a destination, that it's within reasonable distance for a lot of the country, in that parents can come and see their kids play. They are located well, just like ND is.
Isn't it amazing what you can do online with a few props & video equipment in your parents basement? God how I love the 21st century! #needalife
Exactly. That's his whole angle. He doesn't actually think what he's saying. He says outrageous things, gets old people to share it on the internet (and then others post his other videos) and it snowballs. That's why you have that guy making millions of dollars a year on youtube going to Mt Fuji and filming people who committed suicide. You have to be outrageous to get clicks, then it goes viral and you make your money. It's all fake. It might be "entertaining" but it's not real.
Their recruiting class this year is pretty bad considering it's Michigan. NutBall did bring in few really really good classes but don't seem to be paying off yet and I hope they never do.
Don't know why NutBall doesn't do a Franklin and go get a proven O cordinator.
Don't know why NutBall doesn't do a Franklin and go get a proven O cordinator.
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I actually listened to the whole thing while multitasking. What delight to see/hope UM fans are in such despair. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer group.
Dude looks like Radar from MASH, only not as tough.
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It is not a "down cycle" now. It is a down cycle since the advent of RichRod, through Hoke, and the failure of one of their alltimers to produce squat in terms of changing the Hoke legacy. That is a decade of weakness and no sign of a change in sight.
The fact is that Harbaugh was a great player but is a terrible coach. 43 different formations in the 1st half vs. Sparty. THREE points. The fact is that an NFL star is often at a disadvantage when he becomes a coach after a 14 year career. He was playing for the colts and other teams while CJF was paying his dues.
Can you name any great NFL QBs who were also great coaches? I am having trouble thinking of one.
I'm shocked he has a podcast. He is such a tool. Maybe one of the worst show/podcast hosts I have ever seen. I showed this guy to a guy I work with and he couldn't get over how bad it sucked.
I am no techie, but what does it take to have a podcast? Can't you pretty much fire it up from your mom's basement?
Good grief, UM is just about the northernmost power program there is. Only 45 mins from the scenic ruins of Detroit. They are not "well located" by any stretch of the imagination. And you have an interesting definition of "reasonable distance".
Good grief, UM is just about the northernmost power program there is. Only 45 mins from the scenic ruins of Detroit. They are not "well located" by any stretch of the imagination. And you have an interesting definition of "reasonable distance".
UM does have some great things to offer. Location ain't one of them.
If Hairbag goes 8-4 again, I think he is gone, much as it pains me to say so.
They gave him a lifetime contract.
Actually, being in the middle of the country has its advantages. At any rate, historically they can pull from everywhere. Being close to Detroit makes little difference in all of this, other than having a huge airport only 45 minutes away. Which, by the way, is an advantage we do not possess. One of the things that came up in the Fields discussions was how unpleasant it is to get into State College by plane. AA doesn't have that issue.
Kansas City is in the middle of the country, not AA. Fair point regarding the airport, however I never claimed State College was ideally located either.
Looks like we're about to see why Harbaugh's always pushed out the door. Too bad that his "lifetime contract" was just a rumor.
Hahaha. That idiot said “the only reasoning I’m not Bari krishning right now .....”.
Hahaha. I’m pretty sure he meant to say “Hari Kari”.
Hahaha. I’m pretty sure he meant to say “Hari Kari”.
Very few people seem know this, but Penn State has better access to "human capital" than any other major university in America (almost 1/3 of the US population is within a 6-hour drive of State College). Didn't know this until Joe Paterno rattled off a whole list of Penn State's natural recruiting advantages at an alumni event in Chicago.
Very few people seem know this, but Penn State has better access to "human capital" than any other major university in America (almost 1/3 of the US population is within a 6-hour drive of State College). Didn't know this until Joe Paterno rattled off a whole list of Penn State's competitive advantages at an alumni event in Chicago.
I would venture to say the b1g needs Penn State. They hate us, but they need us.
I laughed near the end when he said, "The only reason that I'm not Hari Krishaing right now is because of Harbaugh's re'sume'". I believe that the word he was going for was the word Harakiri, the Japanese word for committing suicide.
Don't jump to conclusions. Maybe michigan football makes this guy want to shave his head, give up all his worldly possessions, and dance around in his pajamas at the airport.
It's either that or plunge a ceremonial blade into his guts and disembowel himself. Either one is cool.
Depends on a few things but one click is basically worthless unless you are a youtube red subscriber then your clicks are worth just above nothing. I upload some videos for a hobby of mine. One video that is about 30 seconds long has 10,000 views and ad rev off of it is just over $6. Another video with 2,000 views but a 5:00 run time has made a whopping $3.50. Overall 52,000 views has been worth $42.11.
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This is an impressive stat. Thanks for sharing. Never would have guessed, but it makes sense.Very few people seem know this, but Penn State has better access to "human capital" than any other major university in America (almost 1/3 of the US population is within a 6-hour drive of State College). Didn't know this until Joe Paterno rattled off a whole list of Penn State's natural recruiting advantages at an alumni event in Chicago.
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