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Some fyi's...If I have heard correct one of the reasons men's wrestling is limited to 9.9 is due to Title IX. This is one area where big time football hurts everything else.
If women's wrestling takes off, could it possibly open up wrestling to get a more reasonable 15 scholarships per team? Isn't the 9.9 limitation due more to title IX than affordability or budget? Anyone out there have a good handle on this question?
I assume both teams then need to share facilities, how is that working out for the schools where there is a woman's W team today? Split the room? Of course a lot of sports share facilities.
I'm an independent voter and I'm concerned about concussions. Andre Waters and Junior Seau were a couple of my favorite players. I don't see it as political.From a money standpoint, men's and women's wrestling would be pretty cheap to do. It is not like say track where they need a stadium, track, pole vaults,and a bunch of other equipment. Women's wrestling would definitely help the men's stay stable and also grow. I hope it happens.
I think Football is going to start declining and will be less prevalent at the smaller schools (low to mid tier) in the near future. That also will free up some money and resources for wrestling. Football is starting to be attacked by the liberals under the guise of concerned moms and doctors trying to prevent concussions and who knows who else. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
You're talking about having available facilities, which is a critical piece for schools that are limited.From a money standpoint, men's and women's wrestling would be pretty cheap to do. It is not like say track where they need a stadium, track, pole vaults,and a bunch of other equipment. Women's wrestling would definitely help the men's stay stable and also grow. I hope it happens.
I think Football is going to start declining and will be less prevalent at the smaller schools (low to mid tier) in the near future. That also will free up some money and resources for wrestling. Football is starting to be attacked by the liberals under the guise of concerned moms and doctors trying to prevent concussions and who knows who else. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Yeah, I believe we've hit peak football, and maybe liberals are leading the charge RE concussions, but the fact that more and more a-list type athletes are retiring early--you know moms and dads of all political persuasions are going to follow suit. Of course, the national anthem/Kapernick debate isn't helping the NFL's bottom line either.I'm an independent voter and I'm concerned about concussions. Andre Waters and Junior Seau were a couple of my favorite players. I don't see it as political.
Yeah, I believe we've hit peak football, and maybe liberals are leading the charge RE concussions, but the fact that more and more a-list type athletes are retiring early--you know moms and dads of all political persuasions are going to follow suit. Of course, the national anthem/Kapernick debate isn't helping the NFL's bottom line either.
I mean, it's not like you'll find many (conservative or otherwise) parents willing to spritz their kids with DDT before going outside anymore. How long the decline is, or how far down it goes is definitely an open question, but I can tell you in my household, wrestling is a "ok, fine" discussion regarding my boys--but football is another matter altogether. So maybe our beloved sport has an opportunity.
It might surprise some that wrestling has a higher competition concussion rate than football. According to statistics compiled by the NCAA, wrestling has a 3.2 concussions per 1000 athlete-exposures, while football is at 3.0 and men's hockey at 2.3. As I understand it, athlete-exposures are based on games/matches. Football, having far more student-athletes involved in a game, than wrestlers at a match/tournament, have far more concussions, therefore gets a ton of press, particularly with what's happening in pro football.Yeah, I believe we've hit peak football, and maybe liberals are leading the charge RE concussions, but the fact that more and more a-list type athletes are retiring early--you know moms and dads of all political persuasions are going to follow suit. Of course, the national anthem/Kapernick debate isn't helping the NFL's bottom line either.
I mean, it's not like you'll find many (conservative or otherwise) parents willing to spritz their kids with DDT before going outside anymore. How long the decline is, or how far down it goes is definitely an open question, but I can tell you in my household, wrestling is a "ok, fine" discussion regarding my boys--but football is another matter altogether. So maybe our beloved sport has an opportunity.
It might surprise some that wrestling has a higher competition concussion rate than football. According to statistics compiled by the NCAA, wrestling has a 3.2 concussions per 1000 athlete-exposures, while football is at 3.0 and men's hockey at 2.3. As I understand it, athlete-exposures are based on games/matches. Football, having far more student-athletes involved in a game, than wrestlers at a match/tournament, have far more concussions, therefore gets a ton of press, particularly with what's happening in pro football.
I just thought the RATE of concussions in wrestling was surprising.
That is interesting. Though with CTE, the research is showing that the major concussions may not be the major factor originally assumed--rather many "micro events" over the course of a career. Maybe the rate of those is higher in wrestling too, but I kinda doubt it.It might surprise some that wrestling has a higher competition concussion rate than football. According to statistics compiled by the NCAA, wrestling has a 3.2 concussions per 1000 athlete-exposures, while football is at 3.0 and men's hockey at 2.3. As I understand it, athlete-exposures are based on games/matches. Football, having far more student-athletes involved in a game, than wrestlers at a match/tournament, have far more concussions, therefore gets a ton of press, particularly with what's happening in pro football.
I just thought the RATE of concussions in wrestling was surprising.
No idea. It appears to me the study of concussion-related injury/illness is advancing rapidly, after many years of what I'll call denial by some.That is interesting. Though with CTE, the research is showing that the major concussions may not be the major factor originally assumed--rather many "micro events" over the course of a career. Maybe the rate of those is higher in wrestling too, but I kinda doubt it.
I would think Track and Field would be more expensive as well do to the large size of the teams.Roar, do you have a link to those financial numbers? I'd like to see those. Surprised women's volleyball expenses are not higher than wrestling, just due to the travel involved with having more matches.
Seems the concerns areThat is interesting. Though with CTE, the research is showing that the major concussions may not be the major factor originally assumed--rather many "micro events" over the course of a career. Maybe the rate of those is higher in wrestling too, but I kinda doubt it.
Lots of folks share these concerns, regardless of political persuasions. There are ways to make things better without mandates from some know nothing politician or know nothing NCAA flunky. That said, sometimes that is exactly what is needed to jump start the discussion.From a money standpoint, men's and women's wrestling would be pretty cheap to do. It is not like say track where they need a stadium, track, pole vaults,and a bunch of other equipment. Women's wrestling would definitely help the men's stay stable and also grow. I hope it happens.
I think Football is going to start declining and will be less prevalent at the smaller schools (low to mid tier) in the near future. That also will free up some money and resources for wrestling. Football is starting to be attacked by the liberals under the guise of concerned moms and doctors trying to prevent concussions and who knows who else. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Maybe I should not have made it sound like only liberals were leading the charge against football. The problems have existed for a long time. My point is that once the liberal media starts to attack it, the end is probably coming. They get organized and preach it and make sure we hear the info they want us to hear. They are fairly effective with shaping public opinion in a lot of cases. They do a good job of showing the side of an issue they want to show. My point was now the attacks will become more prevalent and the strength and power of football will diminish. Maybe Alabama and PSU and some other big programs will thrive, but it won't be as popular as it was. Peak football is a good term.
My brothers or I nor any of my children played football. The reason is it is too dangerous in my opinion and my parents. Did not mean to offend anyone who considers themselves a liberal. Sorry, if I did.
Very cool.I live in Colorado, Colorado Mesa just added Women's wrestling here. Took my kids to the first dual, it was awesome. Bo Piphers sister is on the team.
Maybe I should not have made it sound like only liberals were leading the charge against football. The problems have existed for a long time. My point is that once the liberal media starts to attack it, the end is probably coming. They get organized and preach it and make sure we hear the info they want us to he They are fairly effective with shaping public opinion in a lot of cases. They do a good job of showing the side of an issue they want to show. My point was now the attacks will become more prevalent and the strength and power of football will diminish. Maybe Alabama and PSU and some other big programs will thrive, but it won't be as popular as it was. Peak football is a good term.
My brothers or I nor any of my children played football. The reason is it is too dangerous in my opinion and my parents. Did not mean to offend anyone who considers themselves a liberal. Sorry, if I did.
Gannon university in Erie started womens wrestling also. Div 2 of the psac. Season is currently underway.
who is going to pay for women's wrestling at PSU? The AD is already hemorrhaging money. The only way PSU can add any teams at this point is if a Terry Pegula type benefactor steps up and funds the entire operation for the new team.
Why would volleyball be costlier? Do they even have a slush fund?... Surprised women's volleyball expenses are not higher than wrestling, just due to the travel involved with having more matches.
Sounds like the woman you live with is attacking football under the guise of being a concerned mom.... I can tell you in my household, wrestling is a "ok, fine" discussion regarding my boys--but football is another matter altogether ...