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Every BIG loss in the Bowls, hurts the Penn State image, don't

I agree and it is all about recruiting. What if every Big 10 team except Penn State always lost every bowl game they played in? The Big 10 would be quickly known as a cupcake conference and recruits would shun all Big 10 teams. Penn State needs to be known as a team that plays in a top ranked conference. Recruits don't want to play in a cupcake conference. Take a look at Narduzzi's recruits. Is that what we want? I don't think so. I root for all Big 10 teams to win their bowl games so that CJF has the best chance at great recruits.

Take a look ate Clemson's recruits. Pitt's problem has more to do with their coach being an unlikable schmuck.
 
I didn’t move the bar. That was my first comment in this thread.

It was somebody else's bar but you moved it. So now the big ten needs to win all its bowl games for many years in a row to have an impact. Please. We are ****ing doomed and should close up shop if that is true.
 
I want every BIG team except OSU & UM to win. Tired of the BTN love fest for those two, especially UM which continues to play below their talent level yet remain a darling of the BTN and FOX broadcasters.
There is a way to stop that 'love fest' ya know? Beat them every year and the love fest will stop....
 
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Looking at it from a different angle, we’re like the mistress of a wealthy man. We get a nice payday and some pretty shiny baubles, but we spend the holidays alone. Much as we complain the BIG is never going to be anything other then OSU, SCUM and the rest of us. The big two like it that way and the others except PSU strangely accept their lot in life. It’s disgusting, but as long as we spread our legs and take the money constant complaining accomplishes nothing.
 
Never saw anything like that. Ever. Urban detailing to Day all of the injustices was priceless.
Well, it is Urban's team. He recruited them and coached them until this year and handed Day a loaded roster!
 
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It was somebody else's bar but you moved it. So now the big ten needs to win all its bowl games for many years in a row to have an impact. Please. We are ****ing doomed and should close up shop if that is true.

Giving my own take isn’t moving the bar for someone else. My point was that because it would take more than one year to grow the B1G’s reputation, I’d rather PSU just be the Clemson of the B1G and build our own reputation.
 
Damn, if all b1g teams won their bowl games, imagine the stellar image Penn State would have.

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Exactly - what complete and utter bullshit nonsense. This bushleague Conference has been a take, take, take one-way street in regards to PSU since day 1 (including illegally stealing PSU's bowl money, multiple screw jobs which kept us from a potential MNC bowl game in 1990's, 1994, 1995 scUM game, 2014 duhO$U game, bullshit OPI call in this year's Minny game, etc, etc, etc....). duhO$U, their fans, BTN, the lame-o b1g homeoffice cheaters, etc... whining about "officiating" is about as hypocritical as it gets, but very fitting and predictable for these POS, corrupt, homer "Midwestern" douches.
 
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Exactly - what complete and utter bullshit nonsense. This bushleague Conference has been a take, take, take one-way street in regards to PSU since day 1 (including illegally stealing PSU's bowl money, multiple screw jobs which kept us from a potential MNC bowl game in 1990's, 1994, 1995 scUM game, 2014 duhO$U game, bullshit OPI call in this year's Minny game, etc, etc, etc....). duhO$U, their fans, BTN, the lame-o b1g homeoffice cheaters, etc... whining about "officiating" is about as hypocritical as it gets, but very fitting and predictable for these POS, corrupt, homer "Midwestern" douches.
That's more like it. "To thine own self be true."
 
Ohio State winning actually hurts the Big...it gives the conference the image of being like the ACC, a one team league. The SEC is looked at as being so tough because they have multiple teams that win big games and have had Bama, Auburn, Florida and LSU win NC’s. The only way for the Big to improve their image is to have other teams step up and win big games instead of just OSU.

Beating Memphis is a real image builder and a recruiting advantage maker!!???? Got it! Such delusion is hard to imagine for many.
 
Beating Memphis is a real image builder and a recruiting advantage maker!!???? Got it! Such delusion is hard to imagine for many.
Where did I say it was asshole? And Buckeye fans wonder why we take great joy in their losing....most arrogant, in-bred, Wal Mart fanbase on the planet. With that being said, winning a NY6 bowl always helps recruiting regardless of the opponent.
 
Beating Memphis is a real image builder and a recruiting advantage maker!!???? Got it! Such delusion is hard to imagine for many.

It's better than #10 Arizona losing to G5 NY6 rep #20 Boise State in 2014.... or #9 Florida losing to G5 NY6 rep #18 Houston in 2015.... or #7 Auburn losing to #12 ranked G5 NY6 rep UCF just last bowl season. But now all of the sudden PSU's win NY6 Bowl win doesn't count according to a-hole fraud posing-PSU fans such as yourself. What a douche loser posters on this board like you are.
 
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It's better than #10 Arizona losing to G5 NY6 rep #20 Boise State in 2014.... or #9 Florida losing to G5 NY6 rep #18 Houston in 2015.... or #7 Auburn losing to #12 ranked G5 NY6 rep UCF just last bowl season. But now all of the sudden PSU's win NY6 Bowl win doesn't count according to a-hole fraud posing-PSU fans such as yourself. What a douche loser posters on this board like you are.
Good point and agree, but a quick correction. The Auburn loss to UCF was in 2017. Last year LSU had a fight on its hands to come from behind and beat UCF. Some folks would even say that performance jump started them on their special CFP quest this year. They ended 2018 with a 10 - 3 record with that win, so we don't want to poo-poo NY6 Bowl victories over Group 5 opponents. I'm grateful for the victory over Memphis!
 
know why this board is so hateful about the BIG. I can see not wanting Michigan to win, but Ohio State , Minnesota, and the rest of the BIG winning just helps us.

NO.

I am standing up for the victims. Osu, msu and um should not even have teams. They all knew about Strauss and Nassar and did nothing.
 
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It's better than #10 Arizona losing to G5 NY6 rep #20 Boise State in 2014.... or #9 Florida losing to G5 NY6 rep #18 Houston in 2015.... or #7 Auburn losing to #12 ranked G5 NY6 rep UCF just last bowl season. But now all of the sudden PSU's win NY6 Bowl win doesn't count according to a-hole fraud posing-PSU fans such as yourself. What a douche loser posters on this board like you are.

The win counts, but who you beat also counts. PSU cold still end up dropping in the rankings with this victory
 
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know why this board is so hateful about the BIG. I can see not wanting Michigan to win, but Ohio State , Minnesota, and the rest of the BIG winning just helps us.
Sorry, have to disagree. Those teams winning are no help and those teams losing don’t hurt us.
The only thing that helps PSU is PSU winning. The other teams can go straight to h-e-double hockey stick.
 
It was somebody else's bar but you moved it. So now the big ten needs to win all its bowl games for many years in a row to have an impact. Please. We are ****ing doomed and should close up shop if that is true.

And yet, OU continues to get the nod despite the Big12 reputation and OUs lack of success in the playoffs. 0-5 and embarrassed several times.
 
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Never saw anything like that. Ever. Urban detailing to Day all of the injustices was priceless.
I don't get Urban's apologetics for OSU, he's done move on very biased and unprofessional , like having OB, apologizing for bad calls against PSU. Move on UM, and i like Urban.
 
Beating Memphis is a real image builder and a recruiting advantage maker!!???? Got it! Such delusion is hard to imagine for many.
You need to get back to work. Not everyone likes to use the "self checkout" booths at your work and the line at the other manned (person-ed??) checkout has gotten really long!!!
 
I view Clemson as an aberration. I'm not sure how Dabo does it but he is able to recruit in spite of his conference and schedule. Why doesn't any MAC team get top recruits? Why does every team in the ACC Coastal suck at recruiting? Conference prestige counts. Winning bowl games enhances conference prestige.

It’s easy. Dabo has created a great culture. Players want to play for him. He has also surrounded himself with good, loyal coordinators. You create a formula at that point. Something that can’t be said at PSU with revolving doors the lions have at the coordinator position.
 
It’s easy. Dabo has created a great culture. Players want to play for him. He has also surrounded himself with good, loyal coordinators. You create a formula at that point. Something that can’t be said at PSU with revolving doors the lions have at the coordinator position.
Maybe blue chips want to go to Clemson because they're assured a easy road to the playoffs.
 
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BS..PSU winning helps PSU and O$U winning helps O$U. The 2 have nothing to do with the other. Perennial losers and bottom dwellers are the only people that cling to the belief that something that is good for my enemy is good for me. It's akin to being thankful for table scraps. That's not who PSU is. PSU and PSU alone will shape it's future!
 
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Let's think about this. Is conference notoriety good for recruiting? Yep. Are folks happy when the B1G beats the ACC in the league basketball challenge? Yes. Clemson saved any semblance of notoriety for the ACC yesterday. The ACC, PAC 12, and B1G 12 look weak to recruits. The B1G is looking much more attractive this year due to more teams winning. We just need to win and the rest takes care of itself.
 
kind of happy with the way Iowa bi|chslapped USC, but wouldn't mind if the B1G losses every bowl game.

means nada toPSU
 
Ummmmm, no
Yeah, that would be a big NO! The last thing we need is O$U winning the NC or getting to the championship game and touting that. Nobody and especially big time recruits goes through the mental gymnastics of comparing how teams who beat PSU then fare in a bowl game. Their thinking/perception of PSU is not based based off convoluted comparisons. It is all about their specific situation and what program and coach will help them succeed, win and provide the best leadership.

What can make an impression is if O$U would win the NC then mention that every 5 seconds to recruits.
 
And yet, OU continues to get the nod despite the Big12 reputation and OUs lack of success in the playoffs. 0-5 and embarrassed several times.

Playoff teams aren't decided based on their history. They're decided based on what they've done in that particular season.
 
I agree and it is all about recruiting. What if every Big 10 team except Penn State always lost every bowl game they played in? The Big 10 would be quickly known as a cupcake conference and recruits would shun all Big 10 teams. Penn State needs to be known as a team that plays in a top ranked conference. Recruits don't want to play in a cupcake conference. Take a look at Narduzzi's recruits. Is that what we want? I don't think so. I root for all Big 10 teams to win their bowl games so that CJF has the best chance at great recruits.
Okay! I’m convinced. I hope Michigan plays a great game, but lose by a point.....all due to a horrible call by the refs! :D
 
Moving the bar. So now we are playing the long game with our rooting interests? FFS.

If PSU goes 15-0 next year, they'll have everyone's attention regardless of what OSU, Michigan or anyone else in the conference does.

Moving to the bar. The only way PSU goes 15-0 next year is if half of Ohio's roster gets drafted and half of Alabama's starters get injured. Secondly, judging by yesterday's attendance we now feel slighted by a Cotton Bowl invitation. Tell me the program has not advanced.

The takeaway: keep reaching for the stars. You never know what can be obtained through perseverance and hard work.
 
Please explain how a Big Ten team losing a bowl game hurts Penn State's image. In fact, step back and be totally impartial. Did USC losing a bowl game hurt the image of Oregon?? After Iowa won, how many college football fans had a lesser opinion of the Ducks?

I'm not bothered by the Big Ten losing bowl games - except Penn State of course.

Any individual game for the Big Ten is going to have little impact on the conference's reputation and, thus, PSU. But if a conference consistently does poorly in non-conference and/or bowl games over time, it does impact the reputation of the conference and how it does - most directly for making the CFP, but also in terms of TV and bowl deals and thus revenue coming in.

The Pac-12 has definitely suffered from this as their revenues have fallen behind (and the gap is widening) and the reputation of the league hurts teams when it comes to raking and consideration for the CFP.

At this point, though, the Big Ten is strong enough that a game here and there would not have much of any impact on an individual team like PSU. So root for whomever you want in these bowl games.
 
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