F/U on the "Dave Jones is an Asshat" conversation:

[bjf1991]

Normally, I would not have any idea what Davey Jones is yapping about - I don't tune my radio or Tv dials to "stoopid".....but someone sent me the latest from Davey........

Namely, Davey's contention that the Indiana defense - which has largely spurred them on to their 5-4 record, and VERY competitive games against everyone on their schedule - is now "imploding".

Knowing that I usually break these things down - wrt the upcoming opposition - I was asked...."Is that right?"


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Of course, Davey is trying to mitigate any positives that MAY come from PSU beating Indiana.....and set up a massive "CJF is on the hot seat" diatribe if PSU should lose to such a hapless program as Indiana.



I won't get into the whole breakdown of "Indiana"......but, I will say:

Once again, Davey's "conflicted idiot" slip is showing.

To wit:

In last week's "defensive implosion" against Rutgers:

RU's second half possessions:

4 plays - 21 yards
3 - 6
3 - 0
3 - 8
3 - 0
3 - 0
3 - 2
3 - (6)
8 - 50 (RU turned the ball over on a failed 4th down)

and - in the last minutes of the game, when IU was happy to let them bleed out the clock

8 - 83 (resulted in a FG, RU's only points on offense)

10 possessions:
7 - 3 and out
1 - 4 and out
2 - possessions at the end of the game resulting in 3 points (total)


RU scored three times in the game:

- a 75 yard fumble recovery by their defense
- a TD after recovering a IU fumble deep in IU territory (20 yard line)
and
- a 70 yard TD pass on a broken coverage

That's it
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Believe me....the IU defense - it ain't Michigan, but its pretty stout.....and it will be a good test for ANY team

They held the Buckeyes to 350+/- yards of total offense - IN COLUMBUS (held the OSU pass game to under 100)



Think about this:


IU - with very little help from their offense.....

Held OSU to their lowest yardage total of the season.....on the road
Better then either the Wisconsin or PSU defense could do against the Buckeyes.....at HOME

That is a very good defense folks, and if PSU does manage to keep things rolling out in Bloomington, that will be a damn fine accomplishment
And don't be shocked if PSU REALLY struggles to move the ball against that IU defense - that Davey boy claims is "imploding"

 

[21Guns]

Easy on the comparisons to the 85 Bears there, psycho...

51 Indiana 9 675 3511 5.20 25 29 390.1

51st in the nation in total defense.

Penn State is 33rd by the way. Penn State has a superior defense to Indiana.

 

[21Guns]

Let's take a look at passing yards allowed:

61 Indiana 9 160 302 2026 13 6.71 12.66 225.1

61st. Iowa by the way is 62nd.

 

[bjf1991]

Easy on the comparisons to the 85 Bears there, psycho...

51 Indiana 9 675 3511 5.20 25 29 390.1

51st in the nation in total defense.

Penn State is 33rd by the way. Penn State has a superior defense to Indiana.

LOL - 1985 Bears

You arguing with yourself again, Junior Mint?

Maybe your polishing your "trophy" too much......I hear some of those polishes have fumes that may cause brain damage



Wanna' Wrassle?

 

[21Guns]

LOL - 1985 Bears

You arguing with yourself again, Junior Mint?

Maybe your polishing your "trophy" too much......I hear some of those polishes have fumes that may cause brain damage



Wanna' Wrassle?

I posted facts. You posted like a 4 year old. No wonder you can't get a date.

 

[AWS1022]

Easy on the comparisons to the 85 Bears there, psycho...

51 Indiana 9 675 3511 5.20 25 29 390.1

51st in the nation in total defense.

Penn State is 33rd by the way. Penn State has a superior defense to Indiana.

Why is it every time someone says another team's defense is good you accuse them of an 85 Bears comparison? Is it so if PSU loses, you can get back to bashing Franklin and taking about the Dark Years? Pretty similar to what Jones is doing....hmm.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

Easy on the comparisons to the 85 Bears there, psycho...

51 Indiana 9 675 3511 5.20 25 29 390.1

51st in the nation in total defense.

Penn State is 33rd by the way. Penn State has a superior defense to Indiana.

And by the same discussion on the other side of the ball, PSU's offense is #59 and IN is #35. Obviously, IN has a superior offense to PSU, right? SOS shows IN at (6) and PSU at (17), so those numbers are a reasonably fair comparison.

I would be surprised if this game is not close and whoever makes the fewer mistakes will win. Fortunately for us, IN has been mistake prone this year (in the Rutgers game they had 4 turnovers, missed 3 fg's and one extra point - otherwise that game is a complete blow-out). Obviously, we have been playing almost mistake -free, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

If the law of averages catches up to us and we have a couple of offensive turnovers, or if Tyler Davis finally goes wide right or wide left, I think we get beat. IN is a well balanced team with their rushing, passing, and defense. Their turnovers and special teams have killed them. If they minimize mistakes, they will be very tough to beat in Bloomington.

 

[bjf1991]

Why is it every time someone says another team's defense is good you accuse them of an 85 Bears comparison? Is it so if PSU loses, you can get back to bashing Franklin and taking about the Dark Years? Pretty similar to what Jones is doing....hmm.

21 Guns and Davey Jones must have attended MENSA meetings together.

 

[bjf1991]

And by the same discussion on the other side of the ball, PSU's offense is #59 and IN is #35. Obviously, IN has a superior offense to PSU, right? SOS shows IN at (6) and PSU at (17), so those numbers are a reasonably fair comparison.

I would be surprised if this game is not close and whoever makes the fewer mistakes will win. Fortunately for us, IN has been mistake prone this year (in the Rutgers game they had 4 turnovers, missed 3 fg's and one extra point - otherwise that game is a complete blow-out). Obviously, we have been playing almost mistake -free, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

If the law of averages catches up to us and we have a couple of offensive turnovers, or if Tyler Davis finally goes wide right or wide left, I think we get beat. IN is a well balanced team with their rushing, passing, and defense. Their turnovers and special teams have killed them. If they minimize mistakes, they will be very tough to beat in Bloomington.

BINGO!

 

[21Guns]

Why is it every time someone says another team's defense is good you accuse them of an 85 Bears comparison? Is it so if PSU loses, you can get back to bashing Franklin and taking about the Dark Years? Pretty similar to what Jones is doing....hmm.

You post gloom so that you can cover your ass, then go into apologist mode, telling us all how you told us so, how great Indiana is.

 

[21Guns]

And by the same discussion on the other side of the ball, PSU's offense is #59 and IN is #35. Obviously, IN has a superior offense to PSU, right? SOS shows IN at (6) and PSU at (17), so those numbers are a reasonably fair comparison.

I would be surprised if this game is not close and whoever makes the fewer mistakes will win. Fortunately for us, IN has been mistake prone this year (in the Rutgers game they had 4 turnovers, missed 3 fg's and one extra point - otherwise that game is a complete blow-out). Obviously, we have been playing almost mistake -free, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

If the law of averages catches up to us and we have a couple of offensive turnovers, or if Tyler Davis finally goes wide right or wide left, I think we get beat. IN is a well balanced team with their rushing, passing, and defense. Their turnovers and special teams have killed them. If they minimize mistakes, they will be very tough to beat in Bloomington.

Tyler Davis has missed TWO this year. And there is no "law of averages" on turnovers: Some teams simply don't turn the ball over very much, there are NCAA stats for that too.

The reason why Barry posts stats for every one of his football posts, is because Barry never played the game and doesn't actually KNOW anything about football.

Pretty good at yapping outside the hallways of BoT meetings to elderly women, though.

 

[21Guns]

And by the same discussion on the other side of the ball, PSU's offense is #59 and IN is #35. Obviously, IN has a superior offense to PSU, right? SOS shows IN at (6) and PSU at (17), so those numbers are a reasonably fair comparison.

I would be surprised if this game is not close and whoever makes the fewer mistakes will win. Fortunately for us, IN has been mistake prone this year (in the Rutgers game they had 4 turnovers, missed 3 fg's and one extra point - otherwise that game is a complete blow-out). Obviously, we have been playing almost mistake -free, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

If the law of averages catches up to us and we have a couple of offensive turnovers, or if Tyler Davis finally goes wide right or wide left, I think we get beat. IN is a well balanced team with their rushing, passing, and defense. Their turnovers and special teams have killed them. If they minimize mistakes, they will be very tough to beat in Bloomington.

No, NOT by the same discussion: Since Minnesota, Penn State's offensive numbers are far better, and in fact are better than Indiana's.

Indiana was beaten soundly by Ohio State and by Northwestern. They were beaten at home by Nebraska. They turned the ball over to Wake Forest and lost. They also had trouble with FIU in their opener and needed 3 pick sixes to win. Indiana is 5-4, they are not on a level with Wisconsin, or Minnesota, or Nebraska, or Northwestern, or Ohio State, or Michigan.

If you fully expect a turnover or two to be the cause of a loss to Indiana, then you are grossly overestimating Indiana, and are, by definition, making excuses in anticipation of a loss.

 

[bjf1991]

No, NOT by the same discussion: Since Minnesota, Penn State's offensive numbers are far better, and in fact are better than Indiana's.

Indiana was beaten soundly by Ohio State and by Northwestern. They were beaten at home by Nebraska. They turned the ball over to Wake Forest and lost. They also had trouble with FIU in their opener and needed 3 pick sixes to win. Indiana is 5-4, they are not on a level with Wisconsin, or Minnesota, or Nebraska, or Northwestern, or Ohio State, or Michigan.

If you fully expect a turnover or two to be the cause of a loss to Indiana, then you are grossly overestimating Indiana, and are, by definition, making excuses in anticipation of a loss.

 

[AWS1022]

You post gloom so that you can cover your ass, then go into apologist mode, telling us all how you told us so, how great Indiana is.

Not sure where I posted gloom...please point it out to me. I don't think recognizing another team's strengths is gloom. And what in the world is apologist mode? So you're saying if PSU loses, then all is lost and if someone doesn't give up on them at that point then they're an apologist? Well, then color me an apologist.

 

[bjf1991]

........ doesn't actually KNOW anything about football.......[/B][/U]

"3-9....maybe 4-8"

Insightful

 

[Lion84]

Tyler Davis has missed TWO this year. And there is no "law of averages" on turnovers: Some teams simply don't turn the ball over very much, there are NCAA stats for that too.

The reason why Barry posts stats for every one of his football posts, is because Barry never played the game and doesn't actually KNOW anything about football.

Pretty good at yapping outside the hallways of BoT meetings to elderly women, though.

While technically correct the TWO he missed were blocked so he has not MISSED a kick yet in his career that made it past the line of scrimmage.

 

[Tweedbear]

If that duo was at a Mensa meeting it was as part of the catering staff.

 

[21Guns]

If that duo was at a Mensa meeting it was as part of the catering staff.

At least we weren't BANNED from the meeting right Barry?

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

No, NOT by the same discussion: Since Minnesota, Penn State's offensive numbers are far better, and in fact are better than Indiana's.

Indiana was beaten soundly by Ohio State and by Northwestern. They were beaten at home by Nebraska. They turned the ball over to Wake Forest and lost. They also had trouble with FIU in their opener and needed 3 pick sixes to win. Indiana is 5-4, they are not on a level with Wisconsin, or Minnesota, or Nebraska, or Northwestern, or Ohio State, or Michigan.

If you fully expect a turnover or two to be the cause of a loss to Indiana, then you are grossly overestimating Indiana, and are, by definition, making excuses in anticipation of a loss.

Guns I do have to say that we have really cut down on the giveaways especially since we got hot. Even if we do have a couple fumbles or McS throws a pick, we're also GENERATING more turnovers ourselves, and Indiana gives it away like it's their job. We can take advantage there.

We do need to come out a la Purdue and get points early and often. We have no excuse not to beat these guys. We're better. Gotta play that way.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

No, NOT by the same discussion: Since Minnesota, Penn State's offensive numbers are far better, and in fact are better than Indiana's.

Indiana was beaten soundly by Ohio State and by Northwestern. They were beaten at home by Nebraska. They turned the ball over to Wake Forest and lost. They also had trouble with FIU in their opener and needed 3 pick sixes to win. Indiana is 5-4, they are not on a level with Wisconsin, or Minnesota, or Nebraska, or Northwestern, or Ohio State, or Michigan.

If you fully expect a turnover or two to be the cause of a loss to Indiana, then you are grossly overestimating Indiana, and are, by definition, making excuses in anticipation of a loss.

I think people are grossly under-estimating how good of a game Indiana can put up if they minimize their mistakes. So, I will be more specific - if we lose the turnover margin by -2 (or worse), I think we lose.