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This one, I cannot recall another match like that, Bo wins the title, PSU wins the title. Martins wins, OSU wins.

And Bo sticks him.
Which led to the infamous " that's what we do" statement. Ohh the history PSU has made at nationals can never be forgotten. Hard to believe wrestling only started in 2010 lmfao
 
Nickal over Martin, Cenzo pin over Martinez and Wright over Gambrall all pretty fantastic. The team implication and sudden change from gloom to glory probably put Nickal at the top, but they were all amazing to see in the moment.
The fact the Nickal pinned his opponent from the team challenging PSU for the title seals it for me.

Has the ncaa tournament ever been clinched like that before?
 
I was so happy for Mark and PSU
Love to see his enthusiasm. He was a great kid.

I hate to use a 31 second Markie tech as an example. Probably my poster child example of a big flaw in freestyle.

For example, say Mark does one of his patented cement mixers on a guy straight to back and holds him with one shoulder 1/2" from a pin for 2 minutes of exposure. That's only 4 points. Free needs a 4 pt near fall for one. A simple lace or gut can get you a tech in mere seconds where the exposure itself has zero threat of a pin.

I say limit any one move to 6 points max and at least it's a start. A rule rewarding a somewhat fortuitous capture of the legs more than nearly sticking someone in dominant fashion is a problem for me.
 
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Love to see his enthusiasm. He was a great kid.

I hate to use a 31 second Markie tech as an example. Probably my poster child example of a big flaw in freestyle.

For example, say Mark does one of his patented cement mixers on a guy straight to back and holds him with one shoulder 1/2" from a pin for 2 minutes of exposure. That's only 4 points. Free needs a 4 pt near fall for one. A simple lace or gut can get you a tech in mere seconds where the exposure itself has zero threat of a pin.

I say limit any one move to 6 points max and at least it's a start. A rule rewarding a somewhat fortuitous capture of the legs more than nearly sticking someone in dominant fashion is a problem for me.
I agree 100%. Great for Mark, but the fact that someone can end a match with a tech with THAT is a travesty and the reason I can't really take free seriously. "Exposure" needs to be changed into something that is at least a mild threat of a pin. Or at least change it so that the same combination only scores once, so if you get a lace and roll through once or 10 times, it's only 2 points.
 
This one, I cannot recall another match like that, Bo wins the title, PSU wins the title. Martins wins, OSU wins.

And Bo sticks him.
I agree 100%. Great for Bo, but the fact that someone can end a match with a pin is a travesty and the reason I can't really take folk seriously. "Control" needs to be changed into something that is at least a acknowleges the effort Martin took to expose Bo. Or at least change it so that a pin doesn't end the match, and is capped at say 6 points or so. :p
 
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Funny because my wife and I were discussing this the other day, Bo's pin over MM was first on our list followed closely by Matt Ramos pin over the GOAT.
 
I agree 100%. Great for Bo, but the fact that someone can end a match with a pin is a travesty and the reason I can't really take folk seriously. "Control" needs to be changed into something that is at least a acknowleges the effort Martin took to expose Bo. Or at least change it so that a pin doesn't end the match, and is capped at say 6 points or so. :p
Sure hope your being sarcastic.
 
YOU would hope that. 😜

Not so much sarcastic as disingenuous to prove a point.

I love both styles, and am weary of the endless bellyaching.
So you really think lacing legs and rolling around 5 times in 15 seconds while your opponent just sits there and can't do anything about it even though they're not really in any danger is a legit way to win a world championship? Ok, well then...
 
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And he didn't just stick him, he stuck him from his own back. With one of the greatest single moves I've ever seen.
Always wondered…. I don’t believe that the ref gave Martin back points before Bo flipped him. If Ryan threw the brick and challenged back points there, would the pin get taken away and Martin been put back in the top position with a 4-0 or 6-0 lead?

What a travesty that would’ve been, huh?
 
So you really think lacing legs and rolling around 5 times in 15 seconds while your opponent just sits there and can't do anything about it even though they're not really in any danger is a legit way to win a world championship? Ok, well then...
It is the ruleset that the world has more or less agreed to abide by. It didn't seem to bother Mark, or even the guy he beat that way. . . . At the senior level, you almost never see it happen in the elite matchups. You ever see Kyle Snyder or DT or Dake get laced? Those guys have learned how to defend the lace.

Edit: and it was probably lame for me to rewrite your post to make my point--I intended no personal insult. Plus, it's not like the leg lace is my favorite thing or anything. Especially after Zain's world final last year...
 
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As if we don't already have 37,000 threads (possible underestimate) debating freestyle.

Zain vs Stieber in Rec Hall.

Conaway vs Graff.

One-Legged Nolf vs. Jordan.

Martin vs Penrith. Anybody else make a Gable wrestler quit in the national finals?
 
Nolf and Imar were two of my favorite non-Hawkeyes to watch, so their 3 match series during the '16 season rank very high on my list.





 
Always wondered…. I don’t believe that the ref gave Martin back points before Bo flipped him. If Ryan threw the brick and challenged back points there, would the pin get taken away and Martin been put back in the top position with a 4-0 or 6-0 lead?

What a travesty that would’ve been, huh?
By rule yes but no way any referee does something like that IMO. The referee would say they forgot to signal since he went looking for the pin but he intended to award and/or video was inconclusive for if there should be backs and leave as is.
 
Always wondered…. I don’t believe that the ref gave Martin back points before Bo flipped him. If Ryan threw the brick and challenged back points there, would the pin get taken away and Martin been put back in the top position with a 4-0 or 6-0 lead?

What a travesty that would’ve been, huh?
Never would've happened. Ryan would've run out of bricks 2 days earlier.
 
By rule yes but no way any referee does something like that IMO. The referee would say they forgot to signal since he went looking for the pin but he intended to award and/or video was inconclusive for if there should be backs and leave as is.
I’ve seen some other disturbing situations where a guy gets a questionable takedown that isn’t called, but the immediate continuation results in the other guy getting a reversal and backs. Brick thrown and the initial flash TD is awarded and the guy that was just on his back gets top.

I think the new rule changes now include continuation. I think this is one of the best changes that came about this year.
 
I’ve seen some other disturbing situations where a guy gets a questionable takedown that isn’t called, but the immediate continuation results in the other guy getting a reversal and backs. Brick thrown and the initial flash TD is awarded and the guy that was just on his back gets top.

I think the new rule changes now include continuation. I think this is one of the best changes that came about this year.
Like I said, no referee wants to change something of that magnitude IMO. For example, I thought the headgear grab of Fix by Suriano was blatant and clearly changed the outcome of the match but I don't think any referee outright wants to change the winner even if it was the correct call. Now imagine the emotions/stakes of what happened when Bo pinned MyMar, you think they want to change that over something that didn't remotely affect the sequence?

Like I said, they would just say something like forgot to signal but would have if MyMar somehow rolled off his back to make it 6-4 Bo or "can't tell it's 2 NF from video review, match over"
 
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