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FC: At Penn State, the struggle over Paterno's legacy continues

Thanks for posting. Seems to reflect more balance than the coverage was 3-4 years ago from most of the media.

Still -- the author concludes
"And so continues the delicate dance, one in which a university eager to shed the scandal's shame must also appease those who will accept no taint on anyone or anything beyond Sandusky,"

I'd prefer a conclusion that there are still many who want to know the full truth.
 
The students who were freshmen in September 2011 --- they are either graduated or 5th-year seniors.

In about 7-8 years, there will be incoming freshmen who have NO memories of JoePa coaching a game. None at all.

The loyalists can continue their fight to write the history books on this one, but expecting the students and the youth to give a damn? Nope. It is ancient history to them.
 
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The students who were freshmen in September 2011 --- they are either graduated or 5th-year seniors.
In about 7-8 years, there will be incoming freshmen who have NO memories of JoePa coaching a game. None at all.
The loyalists can continue their fight to write the history books on this one, but expecting the students and the youth to give a damn? Nope. It is ancient history to them.
Ask the Alabama freshmen in 7 or 8 years if they give a damn about Bear Bryant. That aside, even if it is "ancient history", so what? Decades after their deaths we still talk about the greatest coaches in sport...Rockne, Wooden, Bryant...and yes, Paterno. You may not agree, but I have no doubt that a hundred years from now Joe Paterno will still be remembered as the coaching legend he was.
 
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The students who were freshmen in September 2011 --- they are either graduated or 5th-year seniors.

In about 7-8 years, there will be incoming freshmen who have NO memories of JoePa coaching a game. None at all.

The loyalists can continue their fight to write the history books on this one, but expecting the students and the youth to give a damn? Nope. It is ancient history to them.
Do you understand what a legacy is? I don't think you do. Otherwise, you would not have posted as you did. There are plenty of students/alums who care about, respect and embrace their school's history and traditions. That is part of what makes a school special. Apparently you are not one of them.
 
Sort of like how these coeds don't give a damn about "The Bear". Right?
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Do you understand what a legacy is? I don't think you do. Otherwise, you would not have posted as you did. There are plenty of students/alums who care about, respect and embrace their school's history and traditions. That is part of what makes a school special. Apparently you are not one of them.
And they are passing that on to their kids and grandkids. My youngest grandson is 7 years old and he knows who Joe Paterno is, as do my other 3 grandchildren. Our November, 2011 BOT tried to bury the Paterno legacy. It did not work. It will never work. Joe's reputation and legacy were unjustly damaged, but they are being restored. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention.
 
Still -- the author concludes
"And so continues the delicate dance, one in which a university eager to shed the scandal's shame must also appease those who will accept no taint on anyone or anything beyond Sandusky,"

I'd prefer a conclusion that there are still many who want to know the full truth.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Non Penn Staters don't understand the "shame" we Penn Staters, or at least this one has. It's this simple - there was indeed a cover up at Penn State - it was to cover up the fact that there was no cover up. The shame is how our board treated the single most important Penn Stater in the school's history. And beyond Joe, how callously they disregarded the rights of it's employees in favor of political correctness. The BOT represented Penn State in front of the world during a crisis and they flat out embarrassed the school with it's vindictive and cowardly decisions that are still being made to this day. The fact that people of this low moral fiber were/are "in charge" at Penn State is my shame as an alum. Joe/the football program never let me down in the way JS was handled.
 
The students who were freshmen in September 2011 --- they are either graduated or 5th-year seniors.

In about 7-8 years, there will be incoming freshmen who have NO memories of JoePa coaching a game. None at all.

The loyalists can continue their fight to write the history books on this one, but expecting the students and the youth to give a damn? Nope. It is ancient history to them.
ARe you one of those people who think Beaver Stadium is named after the animal?
 
Do you understand what a legacy is? I don't think you do. Otherwise, you would not have posted as you did. There are plenty of students/alums who care about, respect and embrace their school's history and traditions. That is part of what makes a school special. Apparently you are not one of them.

Part of JoePa's "legacy" is that he is partially responsible for getting us put on probation.

I'm sure plenty of today's Penn State students think the school is "special." They think that despite Joe not being around for their time on campus. Penn State is 10000x bigger than one man.
 
I no longer live in Pennsylvania. And from what football fans say here, Paterno may always be a hero to PSU fans but
his legacy elsewhere will always be the scandal.
 
Part of JoePa's "legacy" is that he is partially responsible for getting us put on probation.
I'm sure plenty of today's Penn State students think the school is "special." They think that despite Joe not being around for their time on campus. Penn State is 10000x bigger than one man.
You either don't understand the impact Joe Paterno had on the growth of this University, or choose to ignore it. Penn State is special, in no small part due to Joe's efforts in athletics, academics, and fund raising. You have your agenda and that's OK, I guess we all do. Yours, however, is on the wrong side of history and that is becoming more and more evident with each passing day.
 
Part of JoePa's "legacy" is that he is partially responsible for getting us put on probation.

I'm sure plenty of today's Penn State students think the school is "special." They think that despite Joe not being around for their time on campus. Penn State is 10000x bigger than one man.

Right...they figuratively put a probe up the butt of the entire program and found...nothing. No major violations and a graduation rate approaching 90%. That's Joe's legacy. He set a very high standard of excellence for his school and for all collegiate athletic programs.
 
You either don't understand the impact Joe Paterno had on the growth of this University, or choose to ignore it. Penn State is special, in no small part due to Joe's efforts in athletics, academics, and fund raising. You have your agenda and that's OK, I guess we all do. Yours, however, is on the wrong side of history and that is becoming more and more evident with each passing day.

Any attribution of "growth of Penn State University" to Joe Paterno fails to account for the numerous good things PSU already had going for it prior to Joe's ascension to head coach.

We became an AAU school in 1958, well before Joe became PSU head coach. Shoot, we were an AAU school before schools like Pittsburgh, Carnegie-Mellon and UCLA. Point being, we have always been a pretty well-regarded academic school.

A land-grant, research-intensive university in the country's 6th-most populous state? One which was already set-up to have a pretty visible football program as the college football on TV era took off (Penn State had zero non-losing seasons in the 27 years prior to JoePa becoming head coach)?

I posit that PSU's 2015 academic profile would be the same as it is today, regardless of who our football coach was in the 1966-2015 era.
 
Any attribution of "growth of Penn State University" to Joe Paterno fails to account for the numerous good things PSU already had going for it prior to Joe's ascension to head coach.
We became an AAU school in 1958, well before Joe became PSU head coach. Shoot, we were an AAU school before schools like Pittsburgh, Carnegie-Mellon and UCLA. Point being, we have always been a pretty well-regarded school.
A land-grant, research-intensive university in the country's 6th-most populous state? One which was already set-up to have a pretty visible football program as the college football on TV era took off (Penn State had zero non-losing seasons in the 27 years prior to JoePa becoming head coach)?
I posit that PSU's 2015 academic profile would be the same as it is today, regardless of who our football coach was in the 1966-2015 era.
I have spoken to a couple of professors who were teaching on campus before 1966 and thereafter. Both recognized Joe's impact and strongly made the case that we would likely still be a good regional university, as opposed to a great national one, without Joe's influence. You have your beliefs and that's fine. We just disagree.
 
Part of JoePa's "legacy" is that he is partially responsible for getting us put on probation.

I'm sure plenty of today's Penn State students think the school is "special." They think that despite Joe not being around for their time on campus. Penn State is 10000x bigger than one man.
Read my lips. It never was a football issue and any attempt to believe otherwise is nuts! You are a loser and in the minority. I don't even know why you bother to post.
 
From my view, the tides have barely turned at all, and don't seem to be very quick. Must be tides on a geologic time-scale.
Well, we must talk to different people. At one time I thought, and posted, that Joe's legacy was damaged beyond all repair. I have completely changed my mind on that based upon input from across the country. There is still a long way to go, but we are a sea change away from where we were even a year ago.
 
I have spoken to a couple of professors who were teaching on campus before 1966 and thereafter. Both recognized Joe's impact and strongly made the case that we would likely still be a good regional university, as opposed to a great national one, without Joe's influence. You have your beliefs and that's fine. We just disagree.

Fair enough --- though I will disagree with the assessment that Penn State was ever a "regional University."

The AAU is the elite of research universities. They're not exactly the types to go about inviting "regional Universities."

Yet, we got the invite in 1958.
 
Fair enough --- though I will disagree with the assessment that Penn State was ever a "regional University."
The AAU is the elite of research universities. They're not exactly the types to go about inviting "regional Universities."
Yet, we got the invite in 1958.
We will disagree about that as well. Perhaps the disagreement is about what is a "regional university". For example, the AAU admitted Iowa State and Tulane in 1958 and I consider them both regional universities. In any event, I must move on to the Bucs who just won again. Time to celebrate.
 
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We will disagree about that as well. Perhaps the disagreement is about what is a "regional university". For example, the AAU admitted Iowa State and Tulane in 1958 and I consider them both regional universities. In any event, I must move on to the Bucs who just won again. Time to celebrate.

Incredible how well the Pirates are playing --- yet they're not really making up ground on St Louis.

I have some Reds @ Brewers on right now. Oh this is painful.
 
Fair enough --- though I will disagree with the assessment that Penn State was ever a "regional University."

The AAU is the elite of research universities. They're not exactly the types to go about inviting "regional Universities."

Yet, we got the invite in 1958.


The AAU is a ****ing joke, just like the CIC is.
 
The students who were freshmen in September 2011 --- they are either graduated or 5th-year seniors.

In about 7-8 years, there will be incoming freshmen who have NO memories of JoePa coaching a game. None at all.

The loyalists can continue their fight to write the history books on this one, but expecting the students and the youth to give a damn? Nope. It is ancient history to them.

So, somehow, this passage of time and another generation of students means we should come together with a group hug and just move on?

Yet, I haven't seen you comment on the 10 YEAR INTERVAL between the shower incident and a grand jury investigation that featured bits and parts of old conversations and various versions of just what was going on. And then a huge impact on a group of players who were in grade school 10 years previously and had nothing to do with those events. What's fair about that?

And your contention that Joe was "partially responsible for getting us on probation"? Care to explain that, and justify it?
 
That was once true but the tide is turning. It won't happen overnight, but Joe's legacy is slowly being repaired.

Only in never never land. The stadium could be renamed Paterno stadium. PSU could be renamed Paterno State University. Statues of Paterno could be placed every
three feet apart in State College and all that would do is reinforce the rest of the nations perception of PSU as Pedophile State University. Believe me, the best thing that
PSU fans can do is embrace what we have and stop beating a dead horse.
 
Only in never never land. The stadium could be renamed Paterno stadium. PSU could be renamed Paterno State University Statues of Paterno could be placed every
three feet apart in State College and all that would do is reinforce the rest of the nations perception of PSU as Pedophile State University. Believe me, the best thing that
PSU fans can do is embrace what we have and stop beating a dead horse.
Clearly there is a difference of opinion on this. As I stated, I once believed Joe's legacy was destroyed beyond all hope of repair and I made a number of posts stating exactly that. Then, people started telling me they were seeing a change in that perception and I still did not believe it. Over the past 6 months, I have changed my opinion. I don't expect Joe's legacy to ever be what it could have been, but it is improving and will continue to do so. If you think people like me, and thousands of others, will give up on those rehabilitation efforts, you are the one in never never land.
 
Only in never never land. The stadium could be renamed Paterno stadium. PSU could be renamed Paterno State University. Statues of Paterno could be placed every
three feet apart in State College and all that would do is reinforce the rest of the nations perception of PSU as Pedophile State University. Believe me, the best thing that
PSU fans can do is embrace what we have and stop beating a dead horse.

Really? You're okay with a false narrative that trashed a University and a great man?

At what point did it make sense to "move on"? Before the scholarship reductions were ended? Before the wins were restored? Before the bowl ban was ended?

The fight back has had real benefits, and it's not over.
 
"The students who were freshmen in September 2011 --- they are either graduated or 5th-year seniors.

In about 7-8 years, there will be incoming freshmen who have NO memories of JoePa coaching a game. None at all.

The loyalists can continue their fight to write the history books on this one, but expecting the students and the youth to give a damn? Nope. It is ancient history to them."

Heres hoping that your co-worker puts his hands on your neck and strangles you.
 
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I have spoken to a couple of professors who were teaching on campus before 1966 and thereafter. Both recognized Joe's impact and strongly made the case that we would likely still be a good regional university, as opposed to a great national one, without Joe's influence. You have your beliefs and that's fine. We just disagree.

Ditto that. Professor Harkness, who's probably been at PSU longer than scumich has been alive, told me point-blank that everyone followed Joe Paterno's lead in making Penn State the world-class university that it is today. He specifically cited Paterno's speech to the Board of Trustees when he challenged Old Main to match Penn State's football excellence in academics.
 
Ditto that. Professor Harkness, who's probably been at PSU longer than scumich has been alive, told me point-blank that everyone followed Joe Paterno's lead in making Penn State the world-class university that it is today. He specifically cited Paterno's speech to the Board of Trustees when he challenged Old Main to match Penn State's football excellence in academics.
To deny Joe's substantial influence is to deny reality.
 
Only in never never land. The stadium could be renamed Paterno stadium. PSU could be renamed Paterno State University. Statues of Paterno could be placed every
three feet apart in State College and all that would do is reinforce the rest of the nations perception of PSU as Pedophile State University. Believe me, the best thing that
PSU fans can do is embrace what we have and stop beating a dead horse.
You just don't get it do you? Success with honor. It's not just a fancy slogan. It's a way of life! for the majority of us Penn Staters who believe. I thank Joe for life lessons that he tried to impart. You think it's all about Joe, but it isn't. It's all about the message which I can see is lost on you .Perceptions? We were all Smeared when Emmert and Fast Louie took liberties and lied regarding our culture. and at this time I couldn't give a rats ass about the nations perception. We all know the truth. Dishonor is not in our creed. So you might as well crawl back under that rock you came from. Oh and don't go away mad just go away!!!
 
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