Speaking of taints, I think each of the 2011 BoT members has one, and I'd like to see each of them get pounded right there. Sorry for the undiplomatic (to say the least) post, but their conduct does not merit a diplomatic response.
FC: At Penn State, the struggle over Paterno's legacy continues
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Speaking of taints, I think each of the 2011 BoT members has one, and I'd like to see each of them get pounded right there. Sorry for the undiplomatic (to say the least) post, but their conduct does not merit a diplomatic response.
Front page in Sunday's Philadelphia Inquirer:
I do think that some people give Paterno too much credit, but you are a complete idiot if you think he deserves no credit at all.
No. The best thing that Penn State fans can do is expose the rat bastards who hated Paterno so much they dragged all of Penn State through the mud. Let the press have a field day with corporate CEOs and Louis Freeh and then the nation will admire us for sticking up for what is right.
Cabin Boy Peetz decreed that this matter would be a distant memory. Her vision gives insight into the disconnect between the Ship of Fools and reality. Rather than spend time debating the impact Joe had and his "legacy," perhaps those who wish to minimize him.............should speculate to the reasons Surma and The Fools conspired to destroy him. This much we know from the NCAA emails, The Fools wanted very badly to be viewed as "saviors" of the program. It took a governor, OAG, and university BOT functioning in lock step to take down an 84year old football coach. Untold millions have been spent (including 8.5 million spent to buy a former FBI Director). The results? The governor has been sent packing, Surma, Garban, Frazier, Peetz, Suhey, Judas Joyner gone...........Fina on the ropes, Louis the Liar up to his ears in law suits over his prevarication.
Without Joe, Penn State would be just another Syracuse or Rutgers
Since you all know the truth and don't care about the nations perceptions, for what are you fighting? And I love the way some of you
immediately resort to confrontation when someone has an opinion with which you disagree.
You mustn't get out much. I wear my PSU gear all the time and get a lot of comments that Coach Paterno was railroaded. Agreed that there is a strong perception that HE was individually responsible for KNOWINGLY allowing a pedophile to sodomize and fellate young boys in HIS football building......., but my sentence really ought to speak for itself..... The Devil is in the details.
Simply not true ! I live in central Florida and everyone speaks highly of Joe Paterno.. Uf and FSU fans alike.. On my many trips to Alabama and Georgia ,Joe is also held in high regard.It's your opinion and only an opinion..
I couldn't care less what the students think in this regard. If fact, I don't care what 18 year olds think on just about, but not all, subjects. Until you've worked full time for several years, own/lease a car, have a mortgage, get married, and raise a kid your perspective on life is limited. I am not saying they are not "smart" or "intuitive", just saying that they are not "seasoned."
it is funny when I hear people speak for the students and they seem hopelessly out of touch, but when I speak to the actual students AN OVERHWLEMING MAJORITY of them appreciate what Paterno did, and embrace our traditions and history.
What do you expect, the majority who disagree with you to just allow your opinion to rule? Yeah, we're going to respond to any opinion with which we disagree.
I don't know how one can dispute Joe's seminal influence on Penn State. He didn't do it by himself, he built on the work and institutional values set by those before him, but, through Joe's personal vision and willfulness, he pushed Penn State forward to a degree that is matched only be a handful of luminaries in the entire history of American higher education. And no one who is/was a coach had a similar effect at improving public perception of the school he coached, and I include Bryant, Rockne and Wooden in that assessment.
But nothing in the above paragraph implies that Joe was somehow a human being without flaws and vulnerabilities or one who never made mistakes. I believe Joe stayed too long and grew too powerful, for reasons that are easily understood and maybe couldn't have been prevented. And the above paragraph doesn't say anything specific about Joe's role, good, bad or indifferent, in the Sandusky Scandal.
Joe's legacy remains a work in progress, because all the facts are not in. I do think Joe, in hindsight, had some regrets about how he handled McQueary's report, and those regrets, however immaterial they may turn out to be in the final assignment of culpability, are part of his legacy, too.
I can't understand why it's necessary to proclaim Joe a saint or denounce him as a sinner. He was a lot more complex than either description. But appreciating such complexity takes some brain sweat, and most of us are intellectually lazy.
But nothing in the above paragraph implies that Joe was somehow a human being without flaws and vulnerabilities or one who never made mistakes. I believe Joe stayed too long and grew too powerful, for reasons that are easily understood and maybe couldn't have been prevented. And the above paragraph doesn't say anything specific about Joe's role, good, bad or indifferent, in the Sandusky Scandal.
Joe's legacy remains a work in progress, because all the facts are not in. I do think Joe, in hindsight, had some regrets about how he handled McQueary's report, and those regrets, however immaterial they may turn out to be in the final assignment of culpability, are part of his legacy, too.
I can't understand why it's necessary to proclaim Joe a saint or denounce him as a sinner. He was a lot more complex than either description. But appreciating such complexity takes some brain sweat, and most of us are intellectually lazy.
Lol. I bet you talked to 'some' students to form this opinion.
Your nuts….I think the kids have more loyalty to Joe now b/c he is such a symbol of what PSU is, and due to the fact we've been kicked while down for years. Pride in him is pride in the university. They're more loyal to him than I ever was. Especially after 2003, 2004. I was pissed over his decisions during the whole Rashard Casey/ Kevin Thompson battle too.
We ALL have things that we regret after getting more information after the fact. I had a friend in college who killed himself. If I had known he was that close the edge of course I would have "done more." But I didn't know. If you don't have any such regrets you don't have a soul. But Freeh, the trustees, and the press pretended that this was some kind of admission of guilt. That is just despicable bullshit and you are treading pretty close to it.
Touché!by "some" do you mean "one" or do you mean "all"???
crikey, that never gets old.
by "some" do you mean "one" or do you mean "all"???
crikey, that never gets old.
mich is such a dumbass.
Politely provide them with facts as worked for me. Then they start realizing it was the typical B/S from the media.
Many people who bring it up with me (I live in Oregon), for instance they learn I went to PSU, believe Paterno was railroaded.
That really does work. Most people are willing to listen and if facts are brought to their attention that they are not aware of, they are generally willing to take a 2nd look at the matter. This is not to suggest everyone will be swayed, but opinions are being changed, one person at a time.
I had the opportunity to put someone in prison who really was a pain in my a$$. but there were other people involved, people I cared about. I chose mercy and compassion because I thought this guy would get the message and get on a better path. I was painfully wrong, it cost me, and I regret that decision to this day. with the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.
anyone who doesn't understand that is living in a small, self delusional box.
You showed compassion and you "ended up" being wrong, but under the circumstances you did the right thing. Of course, now you would not make that mistake with the same person. That is right too. You regret the outcome, but you shouldn't regret the decision you made at the time.
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Happened to me in Minneapolis shortly after it broke. Explained that there was plenty of blame to go around and cited examples. These guys didn't have a clue. Not going to say I convinced them of anything, just let them know some facts beyond the convenient little story the GJ and Freeh made up, and the NCAA reinforced.
Maybe only 10% know Sandusky WAS investigated in 1998 and the investigation lead to no charges even though he was on tape. Less know that one psychologist nailed it, while another let him skate.
I guess that was my point. I really underestimated how rotten this guy was. I think I made the right decision in the moment, BECAUSE I considered how it would affect other people. and the end result came back to do a lot of harm. but that is life. and most people deal with decisions like this, where you have to make a judgment call and try to do the best and right thing. and it doesn't always pan out
As Muddy Water's sang, "But baby I wants to be loved." I guess we all want to be loved - not enough to go to tOSU and Michigan boards to get it though. Eeek! I just vomited in my mouth.
I've had that happen a couple of times in the context of "Neither a borrower nor a lender be."
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The fact that the university made absolutely zero effort to make this known to the public tells us everything we need to know about the people who had seized control of Penn State.
If you can't figure it out then there's no use trying to enlighten you besides since this wasn't a football matter why would Joe have to take partial responsibility?
The struggle will end with JoePa getting his 410th victory.
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There is an alternative take on the 1998 investigation. The fact that Penn State knew about those allegations should have compelled reporting the new allegations for investigation rather than "assuming" that the 2001 report would be dismissed if reported.
If you go to your doctor with symptoms that indicate cancer as a possible cause and tests rule that out, I think if you had the same symptoms 3 years later you wouldn't want your doctor to just send you home assuming it was nothing.
I used to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but after reading his posts the last month or two (which are designed only to antagonize), I now realize that he's a hater with an agenda.
That depends on what Mike reported to Curley and Schultz. If he reported the same thing he reported to Mike's father and Drainov, I would do the same thing Mike's father and Drainov did and not report it to the police other than Schultz. Mike said he heard sexual sounds but when asked what did he see (three times) Mike went back to sexual sounds. If that same thing is reported to the police, they would conclude that they had nothing, especially after Sandusky was investigated in '98 and exonerated.
by "some" do you mean "one" or do you mean "all"???
crikey, that never gets old.
I was told there would be no math.
