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Like I said, only an imbecile (or a liar with an agenda) would equate the two. And guess what? You're both!

You are an imbecile. Comparing reckless driving with a "traffic ticket" LOL
Dude, you are ignorant on this topic.

Would you call a speeding ticket a traffic ticket? I think 99% of the population would.

In the Commonwealth of VA, if you are speeding over 85 mph (note, they raised this from 80 to 85 last year; I hadn't seen that until just now but it doesn't affect my point) , which is a speeding ticket, it is considered reckless driving AUTOMATICALLY even if you aren't doing anything else reckless. So it is literally "just" a speeding ticket that automatically lands you in jail and could result in up to 1 year in prison.

So punishment wise the two misdemeanors are very similar.

You need to STFU about topics you know nothing about.
 
I have a lot of thoughts on this and I get amused by the deluded fantasies of most here. My wife was a victim of CSA. I was sort of, one crotch grab by a man I worked for , the attempted grooming was worse. One of my best friends growing up was seriously molested by the same person and was screwed up for life.
He's struggled with a whole lot of stuff since.
Then there my friend who was molested by a local priest in the late 70s or so. Then we had this thing at psu.
And the same thing plays out, people need their lies and delusions so they ignore reality . They want to believe in the priest , the charity , or they're team. You'd think by now they'd move on, but no.
The college memories are powerful . Belonging to a group or tribe is important to them and they can't let it go. They need everything to be as they imagined .
I am also the victim of sexual assault but it doesn't cloud my ability to see through the BS of the convictions in this case.
 
Even Schultz admits they should have followed the original plan and turned in Sandusky to DPW in 2001. He said so on the ESPN piece just released.
"Within the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more." That's not the same as admitting you did something wrong at the time, given what you knew then.
 
Nope. You should read the crap you post. “are not necessarily repeatable from examiner to examiner,” and that even experienced examiners might disagree with their own past conclusions when they re-examine the same prints at a later date. The article also talks about incomplete prints and that the automation still isn't foolproof. So, there goes your stupid idiotic "it can't be refuted". Because it can! LOLOLOL

Physical evidence can be refuted and impeached as well. You have no factual proof either. You are confused. And wrong.
Physical evidence is orders of magnitude stronger than testimony and is much harder to fake. Any meth head from Lock Haven can claim to have had his dick grabbed in order to get a payday. Faking physical evidence is much more difficult. There is zero physical evidence in this case.
 
But the interviews are BS and so are the documents. It is YOU who are delusional to believe them!
How are interviews BS? Do you doubt their existence? You don't like what the people had to say, but those people are FAR more believable than the Lock Haven Five and yet you believe those liars because it facilitates your hatred of all things PSU.

How are the documents BS? Do you doubt they exist? You don't like what they say (e.g. the McChesney diary or the facts in the A9 report).
 
You are a sick, twisted, hateful scumbag who hates children. I hate JoeBots, not PSU. People like you are a scourge in our world.
You calling me ignorant is hysterical. I don't hate children I just don't think we should make any more.

JoeBots is a nonsensical term. You obviously hate PSU. It comes through in every single one of your posts.
 
It's called critical thinking.
It's called dishonest logic. I assure you my critical thinking skills are orders of magnitude greater than yours.
As before, I'm not doing your homework for you. Go look it up and learn something.
It's because it doesn't exist. It's nonsensical. If you are going to cover something up, the very first thing that has to be done is to make sure that everyone who has knowledge of the thing you are covering up is willing to cover it up. If they are unwilling to cover it up, threats or bribes might be needed.

No threats. No bribes. No asking not to talk about it.

Literally cannot be a cover up in the absence of one of those three things.
 
Which negates the argument
It doesn't negate the argument (aside: you are terrible at constructing arguments). Had that guidance been in place at the time, he would have followed it to a T. One might even say that the NCAA wrote the guidance based on what Paterno did.

The only way it would negate the argument is if there were other NCAA rules in 2001 that he didn't follow. There were not.
He participated in the decision not to report Sandusky. In violation of NCAA rules now.
He did not. Your reading comprehension skills suck.
 
Must be smoking that wacky tobacky today. Remember, dope makes you stupid. But in your case you don't need any help! LOL
Not my vice of choice (although it is legal so not sure what the big deal is).

If you don't "smoke dope" (are you 90 years old? Who calls it that???), are you just this dumb naturally? Maybe you ate lead paint chips as a child.
 
MM never testified that JS did a "naked hug" in the shower. He testified he heard strange sounds and saw a man and a child in the mirror and thought they were together. By the time he walked over to look directly, they were not together (touching). MM never saw the two of them touching...that is the bottom line.
That's not what he said he saw.
This isn't to exonerate JS, I think he is guilty of abuse in varying degrees. But when we consider what JVP knew along with C/S/S we have to consider the facts.
Here we agree about Sandusky. The reason you have fools like @PSU2UNC defending Jerry is that they have to. The record indicates that there was a coverup and that Joe knew. Therefore, like Jerry himself said on the ESPN special. Exonerate me and you exonerate Joe. That's where the delusion starts real bad.
 
That's not what he said he saw.

Here we agree about Sandusky. The reason you have fools like @PSU2UNC defending Jerry is that they have to. The record indicates that there was a coverup and that Joe knew. Therefore, like Jerry himself said on the ESPN special. Exonerate me and you exonerate Joe. That's where the delusion starts real bad.
wrong again. Joe knew, passed it along to the officials to do something and didn't. Unless you are suggesting Joe dawn a raincoat and magnifying glass then I would counter that Bear should have marched in Selma. You selectively cherry pick data to feed your preconceived conclusions.
 
Dude, you are ignorant on this topic.

Would you call a speeding ticket a traffic ticket? I think 99% of the population would.

In the Commonwealth of VA, if you are speeding over 85 mph (note, they raised this from 80 to 85 last year; I hadn't seen that until just now but it doesn't affect my point) , which is a speeding ticket, it is considered reckless driving AUTOMATICALLY even if you aren't doing anything else reckless. So it is literally "just" a speeding ticket that automatically lands you in jail and could result in up to 1 year in prison.

So punishment wise the two misdemeanors are very similar.

You need to STFU about topics you know nothing about.
I tell you what Bozo. Go ask Spanier after spending two months in lockup and another few in leg irons if he felt he got a "traffic ticket". I would give up this line of reasoning as it makes you look stupider than you already are and that's saying something.
 
I am also the victim of sexual assault but it doesn't cloud my ability to see through the BS of the convictions in this case.
Was that as a child or while in lockup? If as a child I see the pathology and how it warped you. Did you report the assault? Did people believe you? We may have something here. Tell me more!
 
"Within the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more." That's not the same as admitting you did something wrong at the time, given what you knew then.
That's not what Schultz said. That was Paterno. Watch the ESPN piece. Schultz was in tears about it and I have to commend him some for owning up to his failure somewhat.
 
Dude, do a "word search" on the site you keep posting. There is ZERO mention of infractions. There. Were. No. Infractions. Full Stop.
Here is your get well logic.

On the NCAA website it lists the sanctions PSU received FROM THE NCAA. You CANNOT have sanctions without infractions. Therefore, it is a lie to say PSU has no infractions from the NCAA. Rinse and repeat
Show me where it exists in the database. It's not there. In the NCAA's own database. It's not there.
It was explained to you BY THE NCAA why they are not in that database because they are WORSE than major infractions. Nevertheless, they had infractions and were severely punished. It is there. If I call them major super duper infractions will you STFU?
 
Physical evidence is orders of magnitude stronger than testimony and is much harder to fake. Any meth head from Lock Haven can claim to have had his dick grabbed in order to get a payday. Faking physical evidence is much more difficult. There is zero physical evidence in this case.
However, physical evidence IS impeachable just like testimony. Generally, in CSA cases there is no "physical" evidence" because of the nature of the crime. Your Ziegler point is stupid. Was there physical evidence in your sexual assault?
 
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How are interviews BS? Do you doubt their existence? You don't like what the people had to say, but those people are FAR more believable than the Lock Haven Five and yet you believe those liars because it facilitates your hatred of all things PSU.
They are BS because they are part of a conspiracy theories propagated by the Buffoon Ziegler. Rank speculation, made up out of whole cloth without any proof whatsoever.
How are the documents BS? Do you doubt they exist? You don't like what they say (e.g. the McChesney diary or the facts in the A9 report).
The A9 sham I've already covered. Chery picked and dishonest. The McChesney diary is a big nothing burger.
 
You calling me ignorant is hysterical. I don't hate children I just don't think we should make any more.

JoeBots is a nonsensical term. You obviously hate PSU. It comes through in every single one of your posts.
I want to know more about your sexual assault. I think this is what is driving your mania. I do not hate PSU. I've even rooted for them over OSU and Mich. I hate JoeBots.
 
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It's called dishonest logic. I assure you my critical thinking skills are orders of magnitude greater than yours.
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It's because it doesn't exist. It's nonsensical. If you are going to cover something up, the very first thing that has to be done is to make sure that everyone who has knowledge of the thing you are covering up is willing to cover it up. If they are unwilling to cover it up, threats or bribes might be needed.
I've explained that before. Unspoken influence and acting in their own best interest. MM reported it and further action would have been professional suicide. Same for Joe and CSS. Same for other coaches who saw the acts of Sandusky.
No threats. No bribes. No asking not to talk about it.
Wasn't needed
Literally cannot be a cover up in the absence of one of those three things.
Not true.
 
It doesn't negate the argument (aside: you are terrible at constructing arguments). Had that guidance been in place at the time, he would have followed it to a T. One might even say that the NCAA wrote the guidance based on what Paterno did.
Yes really it does. It's irrelevant too because neither CSS nor Joe followed it.
The only way it would negate the argument is if there were other NCAA rules in 2001 that he didn't follow. There were not.
It negates the argument because they weren't in place plus they didn't follow them
He did not. Your reading comprehension skills suck.
He did indeed and it was proven by Curley's email.
 
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Not my vice of choice (although it is legal so not sure what the big deal is).
It makes you stupid. And though you are quite stupid to begin with. When I notice particularly stupid incoherant posts I figure your using again.
If you don't "smoke dope" (are you 90 years old? Who calls it that???), are you just this dumb naturally? Maybe you ate lead paint chips as a child.
Lots of people call it that. How old are you 15?
 
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It makes you stupid. And though you are quite stupid to begin with. When I notice particularly stupid incoherant posts I figure your using again.

Lots of people call it that. How old are you 15?
He's like Don Quixote on some magical internet quest of honor and glory. Here, on this website. Arguing with us. I'm sure the bards will sing glorious tales of his incredible battles and bravery. About arguing with us. Over a pedophile. And those who covered for him. Surely an inspiring story.
 
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In 1998, Sandusky admitted to hugging an 11-year-old boy naked in the showers. The boy's mom demanded that Jerry stop interacting with her son, and police were called. No charges filed. But Curley, Spanier, Paterno, etc. were all aware of the incident.

The MM incident was the 2001 incident.

I know you're not one of the Sandusky truthers, but there are such people in this thread.

My views on the matter would be different had the 1998 incident not happened. If the 2001 MM incident were the only one, I could understand the ambiguity on the matter and the failure to take any action. But 1998 was an obvious warning sign that Jerry needed help. Showering naked with young boys and fondling them is not normal behavior. And he was an active assistant coach at the time.
And there you go, and once MM's story got out it was game over, because their take on him is the first lie any investigator hears in these cases.
 
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In 1998, Sandusky admitted to hugging an 11-year-old boy naked in the showers. The boy's mom demanded that Jerry stop interacting with her son, and police were called. No charges filed. But Curley, Spanier, Paterno, etc. were all aware of the incident.

The MM incident was the 2001 incident.

I know you're not one of the Sandusky truthers, but there are such people in this thread.

My views on the matter would be different had the 1998 incident not happened. If the 2001 MM incident were the only one, I could understand the ambiguity on the matter and the failure to take any action. But 1998 was an obvious warning sign that Jerry needed help. Showering naked with young boys and fondling them is not normal behavior. And he was an active assistant coach at the time.
I'll add in 1998 you had the Chambers report that believed Jerry was a potential pedophile, vs the Seasock report. A PhD psychologist, Chambers vs a licensed counselor, Seasock who didn't think Jerry fit the profile. I think you can see the problem here.
It's like choosing a report from a massage therapist over a orthopedic surgeon regarding your back pain in some PI case.
 
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He's like Don Quixote on some magical internet quest of honor and glory. Here, on this website. Arguing with us. I'm sure the bards will sing glorious tales of his incredible battles and bravery. About arguing with us. Over a pedophile. And those who covered for him. Surely an inspiring story.
Did you see in the post where he admitted to being a sexual assault victim? Now we have a motive.
 
I'll add in 1998 you had the Chambers report that believed Jerry was a potential pedophile, vs the Seasock report. A PhD psychologist, Chambers vs a licensed counselor, Seasock who didn't think Jerry fit the profile. I think you can see the problem here.
It's like choosing a report from a massage therapist over a orthopedic surgeon regarding your back pain in some PI case.
Seasock wasn't even licensed then.
 
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Aside from the infantile nature of the insults, I'd be curious to know if you'd rather see those two in jail, or Jerry Sandusky in jail.

I ask, because it seems that some in this thread legitimately believe Sandusky should be a free man.

And I'd be curious if they'd hold that same view had Sandusky been an assistant coach for anybody but PSU.
Hey there NI. I have no idea whether JS is guilty or not. However, did you read the material above in Jerot post#535 (which I believe is Ralph Cipriano's writing)? Does that not start to raise some doubt in your mind over the fairness of the trial, the integrity of the legal system, the competency of the judges, the veracity of accusers, the open-mindedness of the jurors, the specific McQ communicated, etc? Does any of what has occurred alarm you in any way? Why/why not; I'm curious?
 
That's not what he said he saw.

Here we agree about Sandusky. The reason you have fools like @PSU2UNC defending Jerry is that they have to. The record indicates that there was a coverup and that Joe knew. Therefore, like Jerry himself said on the ESPN special. Exonerate me and you exonerate Joe. That's where the delusion starts real bad.
This is incorrect. I went into this thinking that there was no cover up (because none of the evidence demonstrated that there was and because the idea of a cover up was nonsensical and incongruous with the characters of C/S/S/P) and assumed JS was guilty. Along the way, I learned he was not.

You should try learning. It's an important part of life.
 
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I tell you what Bozo. Go ask Spanier after spending two months in lockup and another few in leg irons if he felt he got a "traffic ticket". I would give up this line of reasoning as it makes you look stupider than you already are and that's saying something.
Both reckless driving and endangering the welfare of a child are misdemeanors.

Both can result in a year in jail.

Other than public perception, they are not different. They are not legally different.

As much as you hate to admit it, Spanier is not a felon. He was convicted of ONE, SINGULAR misdemeanor. And that conviction is unconstitutional (ex post facto).
 
Was that as a child or while in lockup? If as a child I see the pathology and how it warped you. Did you report the assault? Did people believe you? We may have something here. Tell me more!
As an adult, not in lockup. Are you doubting my report? I was told we can never doubt reporting of assault.

I did not report it because I would not have been believed. It also did not change my life at all. Having your dick grabbed against your will is no big deal.
 
Here is your get well logic.

On the NCAA website it lists the sanctions PSU received FROM THE NCAA.
PSU received sanction from the NCAA = true
You CANNOT have sanctions without infractions.
False. This website you keep citing DOES NOT MENTION INFRACTIONS AND THERE ARE NO INFRACTIONS LISTED IN THE DATABASE. So I agree with you that in theory (and according to NCAA bylaws) you should not be able to received sanctions without an investigation and being found guilty of infractions, that did not happen in this case. There was no NCAA investigation, there were no major infractions. The NCAA, in their rush to show "how much they hate child abuse" (LOL) crapped all over their own bylaws and procedures to sanction PSU. Had PSU not essentially asked for the sanctions, they would have fought them in court and won.
Therefore, it is a lie to say PSU has no infractions from the NCAA. Rinse and repeat
Again, please show me the sanctions in the database. Are you suggesting that there are errors in the database? Should we jointly contact the NCAA DBA and ask them?
It was explained to you BY THE NCAA why they are not in that database because they are WORSE than major infractions.
This is not at all what that website says. Again it does not use the word "major" or "infractions" or the term "major infractions". You are making shit up again. Liar.
Nevertheless, they had infractions and were severely punished. It is there. If I call them major super duper infractions will you STFU?
You cannot call them infractions because that's not what they were. That word is not used by the NCAA (on purpose) because no infractions occurred.
 
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