Yes you did. Think on it some more
No, I didn't. Also, your "I know you are but what am I" shtick is getting old.....and very immature.
Yes you did. Think on it some more
This isn't proving it. It's just one word name calling which is what you resort to when you have not argument.It's the truth
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Dude, you are ignorant on this topic.Like I said, only an imbecile (or a liar with an agenda) would equate the two. And guess what? You're both!
You are an imbecile. Comparing reckless driving with a "traffic ticket" LOL
I am also the victim of sexual assault but it doesn't cloud my ability to see through the BS of the convictions in this case.I have a lot of thoughts on this and I get amused by the deluded fantasies of most here. My wife was a victim of CSA. I was sort of, one crotch grab by a man I worked for , the attempted grooming was worse. One of my best friends growing up was seriously molested by the same person and was screwed up for life.
He's struggled with a whole lot of stuff since.
Then there my friend who was molested by a local priest in the late 70s or so. Then we had this thing at psu.
And the same thing plays out, people need their lies and delusions so they ignore reality . They want to believe in the priest , the charity , or they're team. You'd think by now they'd move on, but no.
The college memories are powerful . Belonging to a group or tribe is important to them and they can't let it go. They need everything to be as they imagined .
"Within the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more." That's not the same as admitting you did something wrong at the time, given what you knew then.Even Schultz admits they should have followed the original plan and turned in Sandusky to DPW in 2001. He said so on the ESPN piece just released.
It is circular because it assumes that everyone who is convicted is guilty. This is obviously not the case:It does. It is not circular but correct logic. They all went to jail.
Dude, do a "word search" on the site you keep posting. There is ZERO mention of infractions. There. Were. No. Infractions. Full Stop.Read what I posted. It's on the NCAA website doofus.
Show me where it exists in the database. It's not there. In the NCAA's own database. It's not there.
I haven't lied. Prove it of STFU.A lie is a lie. Being "relevant to the case" doesn't make your lies true.
Physical evidence is orders of magnitude stronger than testimony and is much harder to fake. Any meth head from Lock Haven can claim to have had his dick grabbed in order to get a payday. Faking physical evidence is much more difficult. There is zero physical evidence in this case.Nope. You should read the crap you post. “are not necessarily repeatable from examiner to examiner,” and that even experienced examiners might disagree with their own past conclusions when they re-examine the same prints at a later date. The article also talks about incomplete prints and that the automation still isn't foolproof. So, there goes your stupid idiotic "it can't be refuted". Because it can! LOLOLOL
Physical evidence can be refuted and impeached as well. You have no factual proof either. You are confused. And wrong.
How are interviews BS? Do you doubt their existence? You don't like what the people had to say, but those people are FAR more believable than the Lock Haven Five and yet you believe those liars because it facilitates your hatred of all things PSU.But the interviews are BS and so are the documents. It is YOU who are delusional to believe them!
You calling me ignorant is hysterical. I don't hate children I just don't think we should make any more.You are a sick, twisted, hateful scumbag who hates children. I hate JoeBots, not PSU. People like you are a scourge in our world.
It's called dishonest logic. I assure you my critical thinking skills are orders of magnitude greater than yours.It's called critical thinking.
It's because it doesn't exist. It's nonsensical. If you are going to cover something up, the very first thing that has to be done is to make sure that everyone who has knowledge of the thing you are covering up is willing to cover it up. If they are unwilling to cover it up, threats or bribes might be needed.As before, I'm not doing your homework for you. Go look it up and learn something.
It doesn't negate the argument (aside: you are terrible at constructing arguments). Had that guidance been in place at the time, he would have followed it to a T. One might even say that the NCAA wrote the guidance based on what Paterno did.Which negates the argument
He did not. Your reading comprehension skills suck.He participated in the decision not to report Sandusky. In violation of NCAA rules now.
Not my vice of choice (although it is legal so not sure what the big deal is).Must be smoking that wacky tobacky today. Remember, dope makes you stupid. But in your case you don't need any help! LOL
That's not what he said he saw.MM never testified that JS did a "naked hug" in the shower. He testified he heard strange sounds and saw a man and a child in the mirror and thought they were together. By the time he walked over to look directly, they were not together (touching). MM never saw the two of them touching...that is the bottom line.
Here we agree about Sandusky. The reason you have fools like @PSU2UNC defending Jerry is that they have to. The record indicates that there was a coverup and that Joe knew. Therefore, like Jerry himself said on the ESPN special. Exonerate me and you exonerate Joe. That's where the delusion starts real bad.This isn't to exonerate JS, I think he is guilty of abuse in varying degrees. But when we consider what JVP knew along with C/S/S we have to consider the facts.
Yes you did and Colin Cowherd answered it. As for being immature. Take a look in the mirror.No, I didn't. Also, your "I know you are but what am I" shtick is getting old.....and very immature.
wrong again. Joe knew, passed it along to the officials to do something and didn't. Unless you are suggesting Joe dawn a raincoat and magnifying glass then I would counter that Bear should have marched in Selma. You selectively cherry pick data to feed your preconceived conclusions.That's not what he said he saw.
Here we agree about Sandusky. The reason you have fools like @PSU2UNC defending Jerry is that they have to. The record indicates that there was a coverup and that Joe knew. Therefore, like Jerry himself said on the ESPN special. Exonerate me and you exonerate Joe. That's where the delusion starts real bad.
Just saving time.This isn't proving it. It's just one word name calling which is what you resort to when you have not argument.
I tell you what Bozo. Go ask Spanier after spending two months in lockup and another few in leg irons if he felt he got a "traffic ticket". I would give up this line of reasoning as it makes you look stupider than you already are and that's saying something.Dude, you are ignorant on this topic.
Would you call a speeding ticket a traffic ticket? I think 99% of the population would.
In the Commonwealth of VA, if you are speeding over 85 mph (note, they raised this from 80 to 85 last year; I hadn't seen that until just now but it doesn't affect my point) , which is a speeding ticket, it is considered reckless driving AUTOMATICALLY even if you aren't doing anything else reckless. So it is literally "just" a speeding ticket that automatically lands you in jail and could result in up to 1 year in prison.
So punishment wise the two misdemeanors are very similar.
You need to STFU about topics you know nothing about.
Was that as a child or while in lockup? If as a child I see the pathology and how it warped you. Did you report the assault? Did people believe you? We may have something here. Tell me more!I am also the victim of sexual assault but it doesn't cloud my ability to see through the BS of the convictions in this case.
That's not what Schultz said. That was Paterno. Watch the ESPN piece. Schultz was in tears about it and I have to commend him some for owning up to his failure somewhat."Within the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more." That's not the same as admitting you did something wrong at the time, given what you knew then.
Here is your get well logic.Dude, do a "word search" on the site you keep posting. There is ZERO mention of infractions. There. Were. No. Infractions. Full Stop.
It was explained to you BY THE NCAA why they are not in that database because they are WORSE than major infractions. Nevertheless, they had infractions and were severely punished. It is there. If I call them major super duper infractions will you STFU?Show me where it exists in the database. It's not there. In the NCAA's own database. It's not there.
However, physical evidence IS impeachable just like testimony. Generally, in CSA cases there is no "physical" evidence" because of the nature of the crime. Your Ziegler point is stupid. Was there physical evidence in your sexual assault?Physical evidence is orders of magnitude stronger than testimony and is much harder to fake. Any meth head from Lock Haven can claim to have had his dick grabbed in order to get a payday. Faking physical evidence is much more difficult. There is zero physical evidence in this case.
They are BS because they are part of a conspiracy theories propagated by the Buffoon Ziegler. Rank speculation, made up out of whole cloth without any proof whatsoever.How are interviews BS? Do you doubt their existence? You don't like what the people had to say, but those people are FAR more believable than the Lock Haven Five and yet you believe those liars because it facilitates your hatred of all things PSU.
The A9 sham I've already covered. Chery picked and dishonest. The McChesney diary is a big nothing burger.How are the documents BS? Do you doubt they exist? You don't like what they say (e.g. the McChesney diary or the facts in the A9 report).
I want to know more about your sexual assault. I think this is what is driving your mania. I do not hate PSU. I've even rooted for them over OSU and Mich. I hate JoeBots.You calling me ignorant is hysterical. I don't hate children I just don't think we should make any more.
JoeBots is a nonsensical term. You obviously hate PSU. It comes through in every single one of your posts.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣It's called dishonest logic. I assure you my critical thinking skills are orders of magnitude greater than yours.
I've explained that before. Unspoken influence and acting in their own best interest. MM reported it and further action would have been professional suicide. Same for Joe and CSS. Same for other coaches who saw the acts of Sandusky.It's because it doesn't exist. It's nonsensical. If you are going to cover something up, the very first thing that has to be done is to make sure that everyone who has knowledge of the thing you are covering up is willing to cover it up. If they are unwilling to cover it up, threats or bribes might be needed.
Wasn't neededNo threats. No bribes. No asking not to talk about it.
Not true.Literally cannot be a cover up in the absence of one of those three things.
Yes really it does. It's irrelevant too because neither CSS nor Joe followed it.It doesn't negate the argument (aside: you are terrible at constructing arguments). Had that guidance been in place at the time, he would have followed it to a T. One might even say that the NCAA wrote the guidance based on what Paterno did.
It negates the argument because they weren't in place plus they didn't follow themThe only way it would negate the argument is if there were other NCAA rules in 2001 that he didn't follow. There were not.
He did indeed and it was proven by Curley's email.He did not. Your reading comprehension skills suck.
It makes you stupid. And though you are quite stupid to begin with. When I notice particularly stupid incoherant posts I figure your using again.Not my vice of choice (although it is legal so not sure what the big deal is).
Lots of people call it that. How old are you 15?If you don't "smoke dope" (are you 90 years old? Who calls it that???), are you just this dumb naturally? Maybe you ate lead paint chips as a child.
He's like Don Quixote on some magical internet quest of honor and glory. Here, on this website. Arguing with us. I'm sure the bards will sing glorious tales of his incredible battles and bravery. About arguing with us. Over a pedophile. And those who covered for him. Surely an inspiring story.It makes you stupid. And though you are quite stupid to begin with. When I notice particularly stupid incoherant posts I figure your using again.
Lots of people call it that. How old are you 15?
And there you go, and once MM's story got out it was game over, because their take on him is the first lie any investigator hears in these cases.In 1998, Sandusky admitted to hugging an 11-year-old boy naked in the showers. The boy's mom demanded that Jerry stop interacting with her son, and police were called. No charges filed. But Curley, Spanier, Paterno, etc. were all aware of the incident.
The MM incident was the 2001 incident.
I know you're not one of the Sandusky truthers, but there are such people in this thread.
My views on the matter would be different had the 1998 incident not happened. If the 2001 MM incident were the only one, I could understand the ambiguity on the matter and the failure to take any action. But 1998 was an obvious warning sign that Jerry needed help. Showering naked with young boys and fondling them is not normal behavior. And he was an active assistant coach at the time.
I'll add in 1998 you had the Chambers report that believed Jerry was a potential pedophile, vs the Seasock report. A PhD psychologist, Chambers vs a licensed counselor, Seasock who didn't think Jerry fit the profile. I think you can see the problem here.In 1998, Sandusky admitted to hugging an 11-year-old boy naked in the showers. The boy's mom demanded that Jerry stop interacting with her son, and police were called. No charges filed. But Curley, Spanier, Paterno, etc. were all aware of the incident.
The MM incident was the 2001 incident.
I know you're not one of the Sandusky truthers, but there are such people in this thread.
My views on the matter would be different had the 1998 incident not happened. If the 2001 MM incident were the only one, I could understand the ambiguity on the matter and the failure to take any action. But 1998 was an obvious warning sign that Jerry needed help. Showering naked with young boys and fondling them is not normal behavior. And he was an active assistant coach at the time.
Did you see in the post where he admitted to being a sexual assault victim? Now we have a motive.He's like Don Quixote on some magical internet quest of honor and glory. Here, on this website. Arguing with us. I'm sure the bards will sing glorious tales of his incredible battles and bravery. About arguing with us. Over a pedophile. And those who covered for him. Surely an inspiring story.
Seasock wasn't even licensed then.I'll add in 1998 you had the Chambers report that believed Jerry was a potential pedophile, vs the Seasock report. A PhD psychologist, Chambers vs a licensed counselor, Seasock who didn't think Jerry fit the profile. I think you can see the problem here.
It's like choosing a report from a massage therapist over a orthopedic surgeon regarding your back pain in some PI case.
Hey there NI. I have no idea whether JS is guilty or not. However, did you read the material above in Jerot post#535 (which I believe is Ralph Cipriano's writing)? Does that not start to raise some doubt in your mind over the fairness of the trial, the integrity of the legal system, the competency of the judges, the veracity of accusers, the open-mindedness of the jurors, the specific McQ communicated, etc? Does any of what has occurred alarm you in any way? Why/why not; I'm curious?Aside from the infantile nature of the insults, I'd be curious to know if you'd rather see those two in jail, or Jerry Sandusky in jail.
I ask, because it seems that some in this thread legitimately believe Sandusky should be a free man.
And I'd be curious if they'd hold that same view had Sandusky been an assistant coach for anybody but PSU.
This is incorrect. I went into this thinking that there was no cover up (because none of the evidence demonstrated that there was and because the idea of a cover up was nonsensical and incongruous with the characters of C/S/S/P) and assumed JS was guilty. Along the way, I learned he was not.That's not what he said he saw.
Here we agree about Sandusky. The reason you have fools like @PSU2UNC defending Jerry is that they have to. The record indicates that there was a coverup and that Joe knew. Therefore, like Jerry himself said on the ESPN special. Exonerate me and you exonerate Joe. That's where the delusion starts real bad.
You could save even more time by going away and letting people who aren't trolls discuss this.Just saving time.
Both reckless driving and endangering the welfare of a child are misdemeanors.I tell you what Bozo. Go ask Spanier after spending two months in lockup and another few in leg irons if he felt he got a "traffic ticket". I would give up this line of reasoning as it makes you look stupider than you already are and that's saying something.
As an adult, not in lockup. Are you doubting my report? I was told we can never doubt reporting of assault.Was that as a child or while in lockup? If as a child I see the pathology and how it warped you. Did you report the assault? Did people believe you? We may have something here. Tell me more!
PSU received sanction from the NCAA = trueHere is your get well logic.
On the NCAA website it lists the sanctions PSU received FROM THE NCAA.
False. This website you keep citing DOES NOT MENTION INFRACTIONS AND THERE ARE NO INFRACTIONS LISTED IN THE DATABASE. So I agree with you that in theory (and according to NCAA bylaws) you should not be able to received sanctions without an investigation and being found guilty of infractions, that did not happen in this case. There was no NCAA investigation, there were no major infractions. The NCAA, in their rush to show "how much they hate child abuse" (LOL) crapped all over their own bylaws and procedures to sanction PSU. Had PSU not essentially asked for the sanctions, they would have fought them in court and won.You CANNOT have sanctions without infractions.
Again, please show me the sanctions in the database. Are you suggesting that there are errors in the database? Should we jointly contact the NCAA DBA and ask them?Therefore, it is a lie to say PSU has no infractions from the NCAA. Rinse and repeat
This is not at all what that website says. Again it does not use the word "major" or "infractions" or the term "major infractions". You are making shit up again. Liar.It was explained to you BY THE NCAA why they are not in that database because they are WORSE than major infractions.
You cannot call them infractions because that's not what they were. That word is not used by the NCAA (on purpose) because no infractions occurred.Nevertheless, they had infractions and were severely punished. It is there. If I call them major super duper infractions will you STFU?