yep. my brother call is the "victim industry". I always tell people, that once you are over age 30, you can no longer blame anything that happened in school or college. Time to move on.
Only because of the way the narrative has been written. Joe and Jerry's paths should have been separate all along. What Jerry did or didn't do is one thing, but should have little bearing on Joe's culpability since he didn't see anything and received second hand reports. What matters regarding Joe and PSU's potential culpability is what they were told, primarily by McQueary since he was the whistleblower. But the general public has a hard time separating the two, and the media coverage going after the big fish in PSU and Paterno didn't help.
Those are reasonable thoughts. It's the not knowing of how much Paterno knew or didn't about JS over the years that's got everyone turning on each other. A grown man doesn't just all of a sudden wake up one day and begin molesting underage people. JS had been in and around that program for nearly 40 years even if he wasn't committing crimes every day, week or year, he'd been doing it at least off and on for a long time and when you've been at the same place for that long of a time, people know things--and they talk. That's how journalists have a job and those things get back to people. It's just hard to believe Paterno didn't know, or at least hear rumors about JS over the years. I'd bet the assistant coaches over the years knew/know things and are not talking to protect the program still.
That's not what he said, unless he's talking about actual body parts, etc. But he clearly saw something that was inappropriate and illegal or he wouldn't have gone to Paterno in the first place. And Paterno corroborated it by acknowledging how upset MM was. We know he saw something going on with a young boy so why deny it?
Which version of mcq’s story are you referring to?
Had Joe "heard" or “known” about Jerry when he was his employee, he’d have done exactly as Joe did in every other situation involving someone affiliated with his program, which is to take what he believed to be the correct action. Had McQueary told Joe of a sexual assault or any other illegal activity, Joe would have done exactly as he’d done in every other situation when presented with such information, which is to take what he believe to be the correct action. .
…and he did exactly as he should have done by ncaa regs then and now
Dude- If you seriously think Joseph Vincent Paterno would cover up for Sandusky (or anyone else) for child molestation (or anything else), you simply don’t know how these things occur and you certainly do not know Joe Paterno. Go find another hobby.
No, I really don't think he did. He certainly wouldn't have for something he knew/saw for a fact. And I don't think he cared one lick about Hodne or Sandusky. It was about the program and protecting it. But the problem is things that happened that were never taken care of. I believe in the two phone calls from the 70s. It contained detail. Then absolutely nothing in the 80s until the investigation in the late 90s? I don't buy it. i just don't think JP's generation could understand or contemplate something like that and/or didn't want to believe the rumors I'm sure he heard. But the thing is, if things got back to him, they certainly got back to PSU brass. I think they let everyone down.
Geez buddy this is way over the top. Joe got fired. I didn't agree with it. It has been 10 years I let this go a long time ago. No one is changing their opinion at this point.
On the other hand if he did more than he did, you’d be the first yelling that he should just coach and stay in his lane. A football coach isn’ta detective or prosecutor. They should report it, tell the truth and get out of the way. And that is what he did
It's easy to see where you stand on this issue. Perhaps you could try to understand the damage done to Penn State from this 12 year old fiasco. Both the scarring of the Universities reputation and the financial hardships that are still going on as a result of allowing the Media to destroy much of what we were most proud in regards to our school.
LOL.
Inappropriate but not necessarily illegal. He didn't see assault that night.
This is the problem. If people actually understood the facts, they WOULD change their minds. Sadly, the media is too locked in to their original story and completely discounts any information that disproves their version of events.
Because the details provided do not make sense and the civil attorneys for other accusers involved with the case even admitted as much.
The Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association Insurance Company was sufficiently confident that they were false as to provide those examples to a judge as proof that Lubert's team did nothing to vet those claims. That might be a reason.
Additionally, this was Penn State's official response to the 70's allegations:
Nothing about McQueary's role in this is "clear" even 10 years later. McQueary testified that he was intentionally vague when informing Paterno. Your are implying and assuming that Paterno understood this was about sexual abuse yet McQueary's sworn testimony indicates that Paterno may not have been informed of the specifics. This is one of many subjective elements in the narrative. The court of public opinion and the media took the implication and assumptions and ran with it. But the evidence shows that exactly what was communicated back in 2001 was unclear at best. Personally, my stance is to not burn things to the ground based on unclear evidence. It's certainly fair to ask more questions and dig deeper but the leap many have taken with respect to Paterno and PSU is not one I'm willing to take based on the evidence I've reviewed. This is a complex story with many shades of gray and given that the events took place 10 years before coming to light and were not well documented these questions are never going to be answered.
It sure wasn't clearly illegal if you asked Dr. Dranov, who McQueary reported this to even before he reported it to Joe:
The reaon for this is the the GJP stated that McQ witnessed Sandusky anally raping the boy. As you know, at the time, that was believed to be truth and not manufacted by an overzealous prosecution. It has never recovered despite it being 100% false and an intentional lie.
Yeah, there's not an expiration date on truth or the search for it. If misinformation continues to be shared, then there will be a rebuttal.
Try pulling that stunt like she did at your company - you would be fired in a New York Second!
I can assure you I absolutely would not. Particularly at a public institution.
I don't agree with you. If you work at a company and degradate it, you can and should be disciplined (if not fired). This self-loathing is off the charts dumb. This is why colin kaprenek can't find a job in the NFL. It isn't the QBing. Who wants to be afraid their QB isn't going to go to the media and call the owner a plantation cracker and the play calling is racist? he certainly has a right to say it but he has no right to employment.
