FC: Joe Moorhead - From offensive genius to incompetent

[mn78psu83]

LINK: Doubts arise about Mississippi's offense after Mullen out-coaches Moorhead

Part of the article:

After Mississippi State punted for the fifth-straight time late in the fourth quarter against Florida, Hill lost his temper. He appeared to berate head coach Joe Moorhead before some teammates pulled him away and cooled him down.

Hill isn’t the only one upset with Moorhead’s offense. Fans and players alike have voiced frustration at MSU’s feeble offensive production. The Bulldogs have scored one touchdown in their last eight quarters.

“This sucks, obviously, two weeks in a row,” senior quarterback Nick Fitzgerald said.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

LINK: Doubts arise about Mississippi's offense after Mullen out-coaches Moorhead

Part of the article:

After Mississippi State punted for the fifth-straight time late in the fourth quarter against Florida, Hill lost his temper. He appeared to berate head coach Joe Moorhead before some teammates pulled him away and cooled him down.

Hill isn’t the only one upset with Moorhead’s offense. Fans and players alike have voiced frustration at MSU’s feeble offensive production. The Bulldogs have scored one touchdown in their last eight quarters.

“This sucks, obviously, two weeks in a row,” senior quarterback Nick Fitzgerald said.

Problem is you have to have a measurable IQ to run JoeMo's offense. That is a rare commodity at Mississippi State....

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

LINK: Doubts arise about Mississippi's offense after Mullen out-coaches Moorhead

Part of the article:

After Mississippi State punted for the fifth-straight time late in the fourth quarter against Florida, Hill lost his temper. He appeared to berate head coach Joe Moorhead before some teammates pulled him away and cooled him down.

Hill isn’t the only one upset with Moorhead’s offense. Fans and players alike have voiced frustration at MSU’s feeble offensive production. The Bulldogs have scored one touchdown in their last eight quarters.

“This sucks, obviously, two weeks in a row,” senior quarterback Nick Fitzgerald said.

Works a lot better with Saquon and Trace. And even then, both had to improvise a lot.

 

[nits74]

Works a lot better with Saquon and Trace. And even then, both had to improvise a lot.

That has crossed my mind also. And with respect to our own situation, I do wonder how we'll be after Trace leaves. If you take yesterday's game as an example, I'd say with most any other QB, we lose handily.

 

[NC2017]

Come back JoMo, all is forgiven.

 

[OldTiredLion]

Maybe he should hire John Donavan?

 

[Brian LB-U]

I watched most of the Kentucky game two weeks ago and their QB (Fitzgerald) blows. I see a 2-5 finish at best, and that's assuming they get by Arkansas.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

That has crossed my mind also. And with respect to our own situation, I do wonder how we'll be after Trace leaves. If you take yesterday's game as an example, I'd say with most any other QB, we lose handily.

I think either Stevens or Clifford will be fine next year. I actually like Rahne's offense with more designed runs and we'll have lots of options at the skill positions. Key is OL - those guys should be solid though.

 

[mn78psu83]

Works a lot better with Saquon and Trace. And even then, both had to improvise a lot.

Yes. Improv was important to the O success and those two guys are/were pretty good. A big part of the necessity to improv was that the OL play was pretty inconsistent, although last year pass protection was much better. We can't forget Godwin, Gesicki and Hamilton either. PSU had some real good, experienced skill players.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Yes. Improv was important to the O success and those two guys are/were pretty good. A big part of the necessity to improv was that the OL play was pretty inconsistent, although last year pass protection was much better. We can't forget Godwin, Gesicki and Hamilton either. PSU had some real good, experienced skill players.

This is true.

 

[marshall23]

You can't make chicken salad from chicken shit. You can't polish mud.
Coaches either get too much credit or too much blame.

 

[mn78psu83]

You can't make chicken salad from chicken shit. You can't polish mud.
Coaches either get too much credit or too much blame.

That was my point in posting that article. Pretty amazing for a guy who received almost unanimous praise and went into Starkville, MS as the toast of the town. He got real stupid, real fast. Just the vicissitudes of being a football coach.

 

[Ephrata Lion]

Wonder what JoeMo would have run on 4th and 5? Lol

 

[katchthis]

That was my point in posting that article. Pretty amazing for a guy who received almost unanimous praise and went into Jackson, MS as the toast of the town. He got real stupid, real fast. Just the vicissitudes of being a football coach.

Nebraska has a lot of fans on the fire Frost train already. He got an empty cupboard to start with from a talent standpoint. Win now is universal desire.

 

[fastlax16]

Wonder what JoeMo would have run on 4th and 5? Lol

Both trace and miles would have been tackled by the same player.

 

[Delco Lion]

Nebraska has a lot of fans on the fire Frost train already. He got an empty cupboard to start with from a talent standpoint. Win now is universal desire.

Miss State has 18 starters back....

 

[mn78psu83]

Both trace and miles would have been tackled by the same player.

Touché!

 

[1PSUfootball1]

Jimmys and Joes vs x’s and o’s

 

[katchthis]

Miss State has 18 starters back....

Sorry speaking independent of MSU, fans want to win now or fire the coach. NE was just another example of give the new dumb ass coach the boot. Just look at the angry ramblings on this forum. I can see second guessing, some temporary anger or disappointment is understandable. But CJF is a pretty darn good coach. We aren't getting a better one anytime soon. And there aren't many better.

 

[Art]

That was my point in posting that article. Pretty amazing for a guy who received almost unanimous praise and went into Jackson, MS as the toast of the town. He got real stupid, real fast. Just the vicissitudes of being a football coach.

Starkville, MS, about 125 miles from Jackson.

 

[mn78psu83]

Starkville, MS, about 12 miles from Jackson.

Thanks Art. I will edit my post.

 

[katchthis]

Starkville, MS, about 12 miles from Jackson.

Well maybe coach should think about moving closer to campus.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Wonder what JoeMo would have run on 4th and 5? Lol

Same idea, but with a two second delay in handing the ball to Sanders at a standstill.

 

[Art]

Thanks Art. I will edit my post.

Well maybe coach should think about moving closer to campus.

Yup, particularly after I realized that I missed a "5."

 

[sluggo72]

Wonder what JoeMo would have run on 4th and 5? Lol

We already know. From last year it was an incomplete pass
Last year JoeMo had 1:40to go 3 times out and needed a FG to win. He managed to lose 5 yes. If he had run it on second or third down SB would have hit his head on the goal posts

 

[AWS1022]

“This sucks, obviously, two weeks in a row,” senior quarterback Nick Fitzgerald said.

Fitzgerald has sucked two weeks in a row. Maybe he should look in the mirror to find who’s to blame. He will be on the bench within a few weeks.

 

[mn78psu83]

Yup, particularly after I realized that I missed a "5."

I knew that it was Starkville and still ended up typing Jackson. I didn't know whether they were 12 or 152 miles apart though.

 

[indoorgolf]

Problem is you have to have a measurable IQ to run JoeMo's offense. That is a rare commodity at Mississippi State....

Plus you have to have the players. Best jockey in the world can’t win the Derby on a jaskass

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

Wonder if he's still running the vaunted 'Stand Still In the Backfield' play. That one was always a sure winner.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Miss State has 18 starters back....

Can any of them read > 3rd grade level?

 

[ColinPSU]

Can any of them read > 3rd grade level?

I mean the team he inherited one a bowl game last year and I think finished the 2017 season ranked.

 

[artsandletters]

I mean the team he inherited one a bowl game last year and I think finished the 2017 season ranked.

I think they one too straight bowl games.

 

[garw]

LINK: Doubts arise about Mississippi's offense after Mullen out-coaches Moorhead

Part of the article:

After Mississippi State punted for the fifth-straight time late in the fourth quarter against Florida, Hill lost his temper. He appeared to berate head coach Joe Moorhead before some teammates pulled him away and cooled him down.

Hill isn’t the only one upset with Moorhead’s offense. Fans and players alike have voiced frustration at MSU’s feeble offensive production. The Bulldogs have scored one touchdown in their last eight quarters.

“This sucks, obviously, two weeks in a row,” senior quarterback Nick Fitzgerald said.

Frankly it took longer than many of us expected.

 

[Ian]

I think either Stevens or Clifford will be fine next year. I actually like Rahne's offense with more designed runs and we'll have lots of options at the skill positions. Key is OL - those guys should be solid though.

Clifford is the heir apparent. He’s got the “it” that winners need. Love Tommy but he needs to be a TE. He could be a good one.

 

[interrobang]

Fitzgerald has better measurables than Trace, but not intangibles needed to work that offense.

 

[mcgunns]

Anybody have video of the altercation between Hill and Moorhead?


Didn't Shoop say he had to dramatically simplify his defense because for the first time in his career he had players too stupid to run it? I wonder if this is a similar situation.