FC/OT: Darrell Lucus piece on JZ

[TenerHallTerror]

I'll just leave this here:

LINK

I noticed more than a few . . . stretches of truth in the article.

But sourcing from Jennifer Storm and Dawn Hennessey? LOL

was Bernie McCue not available?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

"He was always seemingly an opportunist who was taking advantage of a group of idiots."

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03...john-ziegler-penn-state-conspiracy-charlatan/

 

[TenerHallTerror]

ahhh yes CBS CHicago, home of Dan Bernstein, who praised cancer for killing Joe Paterno

this is who you align yourself with???

 

[LaJolla Lion]

ahhh yes CBS CHicago, home of Dan Bernstein, who praised cancer for killing Joe Paterno

this is who you align yourself with???

By Tim Baffoe, not Dan Bernstein, but then again he pretty much nailed his description of JZ followers. I have nothing but respect for Joe and the Paterno's...what is their take on JZ again?

 

[getmyjive11]

"He was always seemingly an opportunist who was taking advantage of a group of idiots."

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03...john-ziegler-penn-state-conspiracy-charlatan/

Not sure how anyone can drink the JZ koolaide, but it's still happening.

 

[Mixolydian]

"He was always seemingly an opportunist who was taking advantage of a group of idiots."

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03...john-ziegler-penn-state-conspiracy-charlatan/

Same article had this...

"He’s a hell of a lot smarter than the people who slobber all over him because he’s their last glimmer of hope twinkling off of Coke-bottle glasses that JoePa Claus is real. In taking an argument concerning a dead guy, he’s found an angle in which he can’t exactly lose, and that’s how many arguments, nefarious as they may be, are “won.” See, logically Paterno deserves blame..."

Nice huh? Funny how Ziegler isn't the only one that gets some things right and some things wrong. This guy doesn't know squat about this case.

While I agree that Ziegler's delivery is a huge turnoff, some of his tactics are way over the top and I disagree with some of his conclusions, he has also uncovered a lot of information about this case that has been helpful in piecing it together. He is apparently the only person who took the other side and went down this unpopular path. Costas at one point tried to point out all of the deep flaws in the Paterno angle, but by that point nobody cared anymore. Other than those slobbering over Joepa Claus I guess...

Some can filter out the good and the bad, others just throw the baby out with the bath water. There's a lot of dirty water in the article you linked too.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Same article had this...

"He’s a hell of a lot smarter than the people who slobber all over him because he’s their last glimmer of hope twinkling off of Coke-bottle glasses that JoePa Claus is real. In taking an argument concerning a dead guy, he’s found an angle in which he can’t exactly lose, and that’s how many arguments, nefarious as they may be, are “won.” See, logically Paterno deserves blame..."

Nice huh? Funny how Ziegler isn't the only one that gets some things right and some things wrong. This guy doesn't know squat about this case.

While I agree that Ziegler's delivery is a huge turnoff, some of his tactics are way over the top and I disagree with some of his conclusions, he has also uncovered a lot of information about this case that has been helpful in piecing it together. He is apparently the only person who took the other side and went down this unpopular path. Costas at one point tried to point out all of the deep flaws in the Paterno angle, but by that point nobody cared anymore. Other than those slobbering over Joepa Claus I guess...

Some can filter out the good and the bad, others just throw the baby out with the bath water. There's a lot of dirty water in the article you linked too.

Just as some will believe anyone that has a message they want to hear.

 

[Mixolydian]

By Tim Baffoe, not Dan Bernstein, but then again he pretty much nailed his description of JZ followers. I have nothing but respect for Joe and the Paterno's...what is their take on JZ again?

Apparently Tim Baffoe doesn't respect Joe or the Paternos as much as you do. I wonder what their take on TB is?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Apparently Tim Baffoe doesn't respect Joe or the Paternos as much as you do. I wonder what their take on TB is?

Well we know they distanced themselves from JZ and I imagine they probably don't give a crap about most in the media. They did however go out of their way to move away from JZ. They saw him for what he is.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

we see La Jolla for what he is

part of the "joe is guilty and glad he died of cancer" crowd

 

[LaJolla Lion]

we see La Jolla for what he is

part of the "joe is guilty and glad he died of cancer" crowd

Yep because in your world anyone not fighting for pedophiles hated Joe. Instead of making a rational statement, you show your true colors. Funny thing is the Paterno's probably cringe at people like you "fighting" for justice.

 

[MtNittany]

we see La Jolla for what he is

part of the "joe is guilty and glad he died of cancer" crowd

LaJolla is one simple audio recording (either in a casino somewhere, or in Mill Hall) from looking pretty effing stupid.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

LaJolla is one simple audio recording (either in a casino somewhere, or in Mill Hall) from looking pretty effing stupid.

Uhhh Oh, the JZ worshipers are coming out now...uhhhh ohhhhh. I really hope you gave him money...along with the others that back that clown.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

LaJolla is one simple audio recording (either in a casino somewhere, or in Mill Hall) from looking pretty effing stupid.

he is also clearly in the "former players are horrible people" camp

TIM BAFFOE FROM CBS CHICAGO:

"Breaking down the terrible Paterno letter from former Penn State players"

an excerpt:


It’s bad and stupid and sad and really ripe to be picked apart and mocked, and because stupid grownups like these Penn State zombies really deserve public shaming, especially when they try really hard to sound smart, what say we FJM this bad boy, eh?

First up is are some words of the captain of this team of turds, Brian Masella, a 1975 grad and effing punter. He organized the letter.

We have been told during the last four-plus years that the board and administration are waiting for the appropriate time to repair the damage they created.

That damage being you took away a statue that represents our sense of self-worth because we’re that strange slice of humanity that defines itself forever by the school it attended because not much we did afterward fulfilled us. If Penn State achieves in sports or academics, we alumni are great by some warped transitive property. If Penn State fails, say, in the biggest sexual assault scandal in sports history, then we’ll tantrum our way to further pushing victims of sex abuse and violence everywhere to staying silent.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

he is also clearly in the "former players are horrible people" camp

TIM BAFFOE FROM CBS CHICAGO:

"Breaking down the terrible Paterno letter from former Penn State players"

an excerpt:


It’s bad and stupid and sad and really ripe to be picked apart and mocked, and because stupid grownups like these Penn State zombies really deserve public shaming, especially when they try really hard to sound smart, what say we FJM this bad boy, eh?

First up is are some words of the captain of this team of turds, Brian Masella, a 1975 grad and effing punter. He organized the letter.

We have been told during the last four-plus years that the board and administration are waiting for the appropriate time to repair the damage they created.

That damage being you took away a statue that represents our sense of self-worth because we’re that strange slice of humanity that defines itself forever by the school it attended because not much we did afterward fulfilled us. If Penn State achieves in sports or academics, we alumni are great by some warped transitive property. If Penn State fails, say, in the biggest sexual assault scandal in sports history, then we’ll tantrum our way to further pushing victims of sex abuse and violence everywhere to staying silent.

Clearly you're a member of NAMBLA....as are the others so concerned about Jerry and following JZ. I wonder what the Paterno's or Joe did to you that you hate him so much that you want to continue to tarnish his name by protecting Jerry or fighting for him.

 

[Mixolydian]

he is also clearly in the "former players are horrible people" camp

TIM BAFFOE FROM CBS CHICAGO:

"Breaking down the terrible Paterno letter from former Penn State players"

an excerpt:


It’s bad and stupid and sad and really ripe to be picked apart and mocked, and because stupid grownups like these Penn State zombies really deserve public shaming, especially when they try really hard to sound smart, what say we FJM this bad boy, eh?

First up is are some words of the captain of this team of turds, Brian Masella, a 1975 grad and effing punter. He organized the letter.

We have been told during the last four-plus years that the board and administration are waiting for the appropriate time to repair the damage they created.

That damage being you took away a statue that represents our sense of self-worth because we’re that strange slice of humanity that defines itself forever by the school it attended because not much we did afterward fulfilled us. If Penn State achieves in sports or academics, we alumni are great by some warped transitive property. If Penn State fails, say, in the biggest sexual assault scandal in sports history, then we’ll tantrum our way to further pushing victims of sex abuse and violence everywhere to staying silent.

Yeah but in attacking Joe Paterno, former PSU players and PSU fans in general, at least the clueless buffoon goes after John Ziegler in other articles...John Ziegler...someone most people in his audience have never even heard of...

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Yeah but in attacking Joe Paterno, former PSU players and PSU fans in general, at least the clueless buffoon goes after John Ziegler in other articles...John Ziegler...someone most people in his audience have never even heard of...

when you have to embrace people who trash football players, Joe Paterno, and alumni in general in order to trash JZ . . . you've already lost any credible claim to be on the "right" side . . .

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I know where the Paterno's stand in all of this...it's not with JZ and the free pedophile crowd. Joe would cringe if he were still alive you tools were doing this.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

more Baffoe. remember, this is who La Jolla Lion worships because Baffoe also dislikes JZ:


Paterno failed in his role as coach, teacher, mentor, and responsible adult when he took no further action on Sandusky legally, even keeping Sandusky on staff after learning of the terrible things the assistant coach had done.

“The Program” came before what is right, as has long been the case in college sports. Only this time the circumstances went beyond a kid getting a car or having his girlfriend take a test for him.

A monster was allowed to do its dirty work for the sake of football pretending to be happy in the Valley. Others share responsibility, surely, but Paterno is Penn State, and as Penn State is now reaping the shame it has sewn, so should the head coach.

 

[dshumbero]

more Baffoe. remember, this is who La Jolla Lion worships because Baffoe also dislikes JZ:


Paterno failed in his role as coach, teacher, mentor, and responsible adult when he took no further action on Sandusky legally, even keeping Sandusky on staff after learning of the terrible things the assistant coach had done.

“The Program” came before what is right, as has long been the case in college sports. Only this time the circumstances went beyond a kid getting a car or having his girlfriend take a test for him.

A monster was allowed to do its dirty work for the sake of football pretending to be happy in the Valley. Others share responsibility, surely, but Paterno is Penn State, and as Penn State is now reaping the shame it has sewn, so should the head coach.

That's why LasebranierLion is on ignore.

 

[MtNittany]

more Baffoe. remember, this is who La Jolla Lion worships because Baffoe also dislikes JZ:


Paterno failed in his role as coach, teacher, mentor, and responsible adult when he took no further action on Sandusky legally, even keeping Sandusky on staff after learning of the terrible things the assistant coach had done.

“The Program” came before what is right, as has long been the case in college sports. Only this time the circumstances went beyond a kid getting a car or having his girlfriend take a test for him.

A monster was allowed to do its dirty work for the sake of football pretending to be happy in the Valley. Others share responsibility, surely, but Paterno is Penn State, and as Penn State is now reaping the shame it has sewn, so should the head coach.

You left out the paragraph where he describes JVP holding down the kids in the shower for his old pal Jerry.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

That's why LasebranierLion is on ignore.

I'm sure the NAMBLA accusations have already been leveled

pathetic

 

[LaJolla Lion]

more Baffoe. remember, this is who La Jolla Lion worships because Baffoe also dislikes JZ:


Paterno failed in his role as coach, teacher, mentor, and responsible adult when he took no further action on Sandusky legally, even keeping Sandusky on staff after learning of the terrible things the assistant coach had done.

“The Program” came before what is right, as has long been the case in college sports. Only this time the circumstances went beyond a kid getting a car or having his girlfriend take a test for him.

A monster was allowed to do its dirty work for the sake of football pretending to be happy in the Valley. Others share responsibility, surely, but Paterno is Penn State, and as Penn State is now reaping the shame it has sewn, so should the head coach.

Paterno's hate JZ...deal with it. JZ's followers are idiots...you are living proof.

 

[Mixolydian]

I know where the Paterno's stand in all of this...it's not with JZ and the free pedophile crowd. Joe would cringe if he were still alive you tools were doing this.

The article you and Tener linked weren't about PSU fans or players thinking Jerry Sandusky isn't guilty. Those articles attacked fans and ex-players who think Joe Paterno isn't guilty, especially of what this know-nothing moron suggests. You seriously struggle to keep those things separate.

 

[MtNittany]

I'm sure the NAMBLA accusations have already been leveled

pathetic

Funny (not humorous funny) that I had never heard of nambla until right before I put him on ignore.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

The article you and Tener linked weren't about PSU fans or players thinking Jerry Sandusky isn't guilty. Those articles attacked fans and ex-players who think Joe Paterno isn't guilty, especially of what this know-nothing moron suggests. You seriously struggle to keep those things separate.

Because he had to change the angle. People that know me know I have no issues with Joe, far from it. Then again I think it was simons posting peoples personal info on this site so he kind of comes for the JZ cyber stalking school of life. He's a clown like his idol JZ. That is why he had to get put in timeout IIRC...he's a nut.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

The article you and Tener linked weren't about PSU fans or players thinking Jerry Sandusky isn't guilty. Those articles attacked fans and ex-players who think Joe Paterno isn't guilty, especially of what this know-nothing moron suggests. You seriously struggle to keep those things separate.

my only reason for even citing that article is to show that Bernstein, Baffoe, all the scum at CBS Chicago have trashed Joe, the players, the fans, etc . . .

Lucus is no different

and these are La Jolla's heroes. He is literally so stupid that he embraces people with these reprehensible opinions SOLELY BECAUSE they also share his dislike of Ziegler

sort of like why Toxine sat next to Charlie Tuna at Spanier's trial . . .

 

[LaJolla Lion]

my only reason for even citing that article is to show that Bernstein, Baffoe, all the scum at CBS Chicago have trashed Joe, the players, the fans, etc . . .

Lucus is no different

and these are La Jolla's heroes. He is literally so stupid that he embraces people with these reprehensible opinions SOLELY BECAUSE they also share his dislike of Ziegler

sort of like why Toxine sat next to Charlie Tuna at Spanier's trial . . .

It's easy to see why JZ is your hero. Cut from the same cloth apparently. Just make things up and repeat them enough...some idiots are bound to buy it. Please tell me you gave him money....it would brighten my day.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

nice evasive maneuver

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Figures...I knew a dope like you would donate to him. LOL

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

nice evasive maneuver

LOL, "Full Port Sulu"

 

[Legion of Lions]

It's easy to see why JZ is your hero. Cut from the same cloth apparently. Just make things up and repeat them enough...some idiots are bound to buy it. Please tell me you gave him money....it would brighten my day.

...Just make things up and repeat them enough...

The entire OAG fiction of Paterno and Penn State Football "...enabling Pedophiles FOR DECADES.." is the cornerstone of what has brought the Public to it faulty conclusions of PSU "Guilt". Thanks for proving that this fiction only exists because of the original OAG BIG LIE and the continuous negatively skewed reporting of the corrupt medias!!

You are right on with the how public has been deceived. Here is a quick summary of how PSU has been scapegoated for 6+ years with this fictional "Story":

(1) TELL THIS LIE OF CRIMINALITY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. - The BIG LIE!
(2) Support an alleged proof of "Guilt" with "...it is logical to assume" which is never anything but speculation and assumptions
(3) Shout down and INSULT PERSONALLY anyone who provides an other viewpoint, piece of information to consider, or new statement of "suspicious" actions by MM, OAG, TSM, PA Legal Court activities
(4) IGNORE the multitude of unsupported and questionable "stretch" of testimonies, accusations and legal activities that are needed to support this OAG "Story". The "Story" created is supported only by "low quality" could-have-beens. These accusations are "low quality" information which, because of the age of the testimonies are nothing but speculations. Decades old accusations are fundamentally not provable and therefore impossible to legally defend. But the public must consider this "low Quality" information as "fact" (and therefore a "Proof of Guilt") unless Penn State provides nothing less than perfect "high quality", certified video confirmation of "something else".
(5) Just flat out IGNORE the $650M "incentives" given the former AG/Governor to cover-up for Sandusky and TSM
(6) Flat out IGNORE that it was TSM that was Sandusky's employer in 2001 and legally responsible for his actions
(7) Flat out IGNORE that TSM Shredded all its records with the full knowledge (and therefore tacit approval) of State Agencies who had a vested interest in finding a "Scapegoat" for covering up TSM crimes.
(8) IGNORE that no one in 2001 - including family and friends - ACTED as if MM saw anything that was a crime or legally reportable.
(7) Finally....Fina's public admission that Penn State Football and Paterno did nothing to indicate a "cover-up" of the Sandusky matter - A direct rebuke of the crap that Freeh broadcasted which STILL TODAY drives the manufactured public image of a "Rapist Gone Wild" in Penn State's Football Locker room.

So the Big Lie method of deceiving the public and supporting a corrupted PA Legal System is "Spot on". Problem is....the Big Lie is what created the entire Sandusky- Penn State linkage required for promoting public deception over the past 6+ years.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

...Just make things up and repeat them enough...

The entire OAG fiction of Paterno and Penn State Football "...enabling Pedophiles FOR DECADES.." is the cornerstone of what has brought the Public to it faulty conclusions of PSU "Guilt". Thanks for proving that this fiction only exists because of the original OAG BIG LIE and the continuous negatively skewed reporting of the corrupt medias!!

You are right on with the how public has been deceived. Here is a quick summary of how PSU has been scapegoated for 6+ years with this fictional "Story":

(1) TELL THIS LIE OF CRIMINALITY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. - The BIG LIE!
(2) Support an alleged proof of "Guilt" with "...it is logical to assume" which is never anything but speculation and assumptions
(3) Shout down and INSULT PERSONALLY anyone who provides an other viewpoint, piece of information to consider, or new statement of "suspicious" actions by MM, OAG, TSM, PA Legal Court activities
(4) IGNORE the multitude of unsupported and questionable "stretch" of testimonies, accusations and legal activities that are needed to support this OAG "Story". The "Story" created is supported only by "low quality" could-have-beens. These accusations are "low quality" information which, because of the age of the testimonies are nothing but speculations. Decades old accusations are fundamentally not provable and therefore impossible to legally defend. But the public must consider this "low Quality" information as "fact" (and therefore a "Proof of Guilt") unless Penn State provides nothing less than perfect "high quality", certified video confirmation of "something else".
(5) Just flat out IGNORE the $650M "incentives" given the former AG/Governor to cover-up for Sandusky and TSM
(6) Flat out IGNORE that it was TSM that was Sandusky's employer in 2001 and legally responsible for his actions
(7) Flat out IGNORE that TSM Shredded all its records with the full knowledge (and therefore tacit approval) of State Agencies who had a vested interest in finding a "Scapegoat" for covering up TSM crimes.
(8) IGNORE that no one in 2001 - including family and friends - ACTED as if MM saw anything that was a crime or legally reportable.
(7) Finally....Fina's public admission that Penn State Football and Paterno did nothing to indicate a "cover-up" of the Sandusky matter - A direct rebuke of the crap that Freeh broadcasted which STILL TODAY drives the manufactured public image of a "Rapist Gone Wild" in Penn State's Football Locker room.

So the Big Lie method of deceiving the public and supporting a corrupted PA Legal System is "Spot on". Problem is....the Big Lie is what created the entire Sandusky- Penn State linkage required for promoting public deception over the past 6+ years.

So Bushwood has 2 handles? Maybe there is something to this multiple handle stuff.