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Kanye West. Dude has LOST. IT. :eek:

Kanye West Says Slavery Was a Choice, Gets Shut Down by TMZ Staffer
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Kanye West with Michele Lamy in Los Angeles in 2016
Photo: Rachel Murray (Getty Images for MOCA)

During an appearance on TMZ Live Tuesday morning, Kanye West made the bold and misguided proclamation that the 400 years black Americans spent being enslaved were a choice—much to the ire of one TMZ staffer.

Kanye made the appearance with Candace Owens, and the pair explained their definition of “free thought” and how coming from a place of love can make the world a better place.

At one point during the conversation, Kanye said, “When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sound like a choice.

“Like … you was there for 400 years and it’s all of y’all?” he asked incredulously.


Kanye still does not realize the power and weight his words carry. He clearly doesn’t understand how the trans-Atlantic slave trade worked.

Kanye really doesn’t understand anything anymore, does he?

Van Lathan from the TMZ newsroom was quick to call out Kanye on his bull and put him in his place.

“Do you feel that I’m being free and I’m thinking free?” Kanye asked.

“I actually don’t think you’re thinking anything,” Lathan said. “I think that what you’re doing right now is the absence of thought. And the reason why I feel like that is because Kanye, you’re entitled to your opinion. You’re entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is fact and real-world, real-life consequence behind everything that you just said. And while you are making music and being an artist and living a life that you’ve earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives.

“We have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice,” Lathan continued. “Frankly, I’m disappointed, I’m appalled, and brother—I am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something to me that isn’t real.”


Lathan then told Kanye that he has to be responsible about what he says.

“Your voice is too big,” he told Kanye, and those are the realest words ever.


It cannot be stressed enough the danger that lies in what Kanye is saying and doing as of late. He has power and influence and people who hang on to—and believe—his every word.

That puts a heavy burden of responsibility on Kanye, and if it is a level of responsibility that he is not willing to accept—shutting the **** up is always an option for him.
 
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Kanye West. Dude has LOST. IT. :eek:

Kanye West Says Slavery Was a Choice, Gets Shut Down by TMZ Staffer
wzppfsj0kdej8ji6qgcm.jpg

Kanye West with Michele Lamy in Los Angeles in 2016
Photo: Rachel Murray (Getty Images for MOCA)

During an appearance on TMZ Live Tuesday morning, Kanye West made the bold and misguided proclamation that the 400 years black Americans spent being enslaved were a choice—much to the ire of one TMZ staffer.

Kanye made the appearance with Candace Owens, and the pair explained their definition of “free thought” and how coming from a place of love can make the world a better place.

At one point during the conversation, Kanye said, “When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sound like a choice.

“Like … you was there for 400 years and it’s all of y’all?” he asked incredulously.


Kanye still does not realize the power and weight his words carry. He clearly doesn’t understand how the trans-Atlantic slave trade worked.

Kanye really doesn’t understand anything anymore, does he?

Van Lathan from the TMZ newsroom was quick to call out Kanye on his bull and put him in his place.

“Do you feel that I’m being free and I’m thinking free?” Kanye asked.

“I actually don’t think you’re thinking anything,” Lathan said. “I think that what you’re doing right now is the absence of thought. And the reason why I feel like that is because Kanye, you’re entitled to your opinion. You’re entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is fact and real-world, real-life consequence behind everything that you just said. And while you are making music and being an artist and living a life that you’ve earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives.

“We have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice,” Lathan continued. “Frankly, I’m disappointed, I’m appalled, and brother—I am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something to me that isn’t real.”


Lathan then told Kanye that he has to be responsible about what he says.

“Your voice is too big,” he told Kanye, and those are the realest words ever.


It cannot be stressed enough the danger that lies in what Kanye is saying and doing as of late. He has power and influence and people who hang on to—and believe—his every word.

That puts a heavy burden of responsibility on Kanye, and if it is a level of responsibility that he is not willing to accept—shutting the **** up is always an option for him.

The really scary part is I think I know what Kanye meant. I mean yea, really scary and should I be concerned?
I must have some innate ability to understand rants and non sequiturs.
I think being on this board for so long has helped. ;)o_O
 
The really scary part is I think I know what Kanye meant. I mean yea, really scary and should I be concerned?
I must have some innate ability to understand rants and non sequiturs.
I think being on this board for so long has helped. ;)o_O

Help me out - what did he mean?
 
Kanye West. Dude has LOST. IT. :eek:

Kanye West Says Slavery Was a Choice, Gets Shut Down by TMZ Staffer
wzppfsj0kdej8ji6qgcm.jpg

Kanye West with Michele Lamy in Los Angeles in 2016
Photo: Rachel Murray (Getty Images for MOCA)

During an appearance on TMZ Live Tuesday morning, Kanye West made the bold and misguided proclamation that the 400 years black Americans spent being enslaved were a choice—much to the ire of one TMZ staffer.

Kanye made the appearance with Candace Owens, and the pair explained their definition of “free thought” and how coming from a place of love can make the world a better place.

At one point during the conversation, Kanye said, “When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sound like a choice.

“Like … you was there for 400 years and it’s all of y’all?” he asked incredulously.


Kanye still does not realize the power and weight his words carry. He clearly doesn’t understand how the trans-Atlantic slave trade worked.

Kanye really doesn’t understand anything anymore, does he?

Van Lathan from the TMZ newsroom was quick to call out Kanye on his bull and put him in his place.

“Do you feel that I’m being free and I’m thinking free?” Kanye asked.

“I actually don’t think you’re thinking anything,” Lathan said. “I think that what you’re doing right now is the absence of thought. And the reason why I feel like that is because Kanye, you’re entitled to your opinion. You’re entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is fact and real-world, real-life consequence behind everything that you just said. And while you are making music and being an artist and living a life that you’ve earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives.

“We have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice,” Lathan continued. “Frankly, I’m disappointed, I’m appalled, and brother—I am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something to me that isn’t real.”


Lathan then told Kanye that he has to be responsible about what he says.

“Your voice is too big,” he told Kanye, and those are the realest words ever.


It cannot be stressed enough the danger that lies in what Kanye is saying and doing as of late. He has power and influence and people who hang on to—and believe—his every word.

That puts a heavy burden of responsibility on Kanye, and if it is a level of responsibility that he is not willing to accept—shutting the **** up is always an option for him.


The Kardashian women are modern day witches. I was never a fan of Kanye, but the history of them preying on men is long.

LdN
 
Ok but first let me put in this disclaimer...
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ok. So I think he means African Americans that are bringing up slavery today are doing it by choice.
Not the actual act of slavery.
Anyway thats just my guess and I don't agree with it.

Ok - that sort of jives. I don't know if that's what he intended but I think that is certainly one way to interpret it.
 
The Kardashian women are modern day witches. I was never a fan of Kanye, but the history of them preying on men is long.

LdN

That is true, but I can't see Kim behind this - she's all about money, and this is a big way to alienate your core fan base (they'll only put up with so much for so long).

I saw Kanye posted a pic of the interior of their home in twitter and Kim's response was, 'Hey! I thought we weren't sharing pics of our home on social media!!....So, does this mean we can show it on the next season of KUWTK?'.
 
Ok but first let me put in this disclaimer...
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ok. So I think he means African Americans that are bringing up slavery today are doing it by choice.
Not the actual act of slavery.
Anyway thats just my guess and I don't agree with it.
I'd add....given Kanye's recent comments about freedom of thought, is that you cannot enslave thoughts. If you are physically incarcerated, you still have free thoughts. And if you practice free thoughts, free actions can follow.

It is also important to understand that slavery was not an American issue, alone. the entire world had slaves. In fact, in Algiers, there were more than a million slaves that were Christian, into the 19th Century. Ever hear of working for "the company store" (where there was simply no way to get out of debt so you were, in affect, a slave to the company store). There was also Chinese slaves, more to the west. The Brits outlawed slavery in 1807 (~60 years before the US) so they quickly replaced African slaves with Chinese Coolies who were indentured servants.

Slavery in the US, is often mistaken for being a US problem. Slavery is also used in an overlapping fashion with racism. And racism is not a US-alone problem. Wars and genocide have recently been waged in African nations (Uganda, Rowanda).

I think Kanye is asking why the US has had such long suffering of racism when other countries have dealt with it in such a better and more successful fashion. I'll leave that to others. But I believe that is the conversation he is trying to elevate.
 
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Free publicity is good publicity. Does he have an album coming out soon?

Dunno. I liked his 'Yeezus' album but after that his stuff has been very esoteric for the most part (and hard to get, unless you pay for TIDAL streaming service). I think his time as an 'artist/rapper' may be ending; he just doesn't have the chops anymore to compete with Kendrick Lamar and other newer names. He has two new singles on iTunes and they're boring.
 
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That is true, but I can't see Kim behind this - she's all about money, and this is a big way to alienate your core fan base (they'll only put up with so much for so long).

I saw Kanye posted a pic of the interior of their home in twitter and Kim's response was, 'Hey! I thought we weren't sharing pics of our home on social media!!....So, does this mean we can show it on the next season of KUWTK?'.
Kardashians don't give a sh&t about anything except keeping their names in the news. They have zero redeeming social value but I gotta give them credit for getting the stupid public and networks to give them millions.
 
I'd add....given Kanye's recent comments about freedom of thought, is that you cannot enslave thoughts. If you are physically incarcerated, you still have free thoughts. And if you practice free thoughts, free actions can follow.

It is also important to understand that slavery was not an American issue, alone. the entire world had slaves. In fact, in Algiers, there were more than a million slaves that were Christian, into the 19th Century. Ever hear of working for "the company store" (where there was simply no way to get out of debt so you were, in affect, a slave to the company store). There was also Chinese slaves, more to the west. The Brits outlawed slavery in 1807 (~60 years before the US) so they quickly replaced African slaves with Chinese Coolies who were indentured servants.

Slavery in the US, is often mistaken for being a US problem. Slavery is also used in an overlapping fashion with racism. And racism is not a US-alone problem. Wars and genocide have recently been waged in African nations (Uganda, Rowanda).

I think Kanye is asking why the US has had such long suffering of racism when other countries have dealt with it in such a better and more successful fashion. I'll leave that to others. But I believe that is the conversation he is trying to elevate.

I think most folks in the U.S. only care about slavery as it pertains to their/our history - not what other countries did. America is unique in that it's a country of immigrants; not a homogeneous society. That alone is going to make things more difficult and complicated for us than others. Slavery wasn't officially abolished in the UK until 1833, noting the Slave Trade Act of 1807 laid the groundwork for that.
 
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I think most folks in the U.S. only care about slavery as it pertains to their/our history - not what other countries did. America is unique in that it's a country of immigrants; not a homogeneous society. That alone is going to make things more difficult and complicated for us than others. Slavery wasn't officially abolished in the UK until 1833, noting the Slave Trade Act of 1807 laid the groundwork for that.
Yep...great points.

Another question pops into my mind: "400 years, that sounds like a choice". Is that by choice of the ruling class or of the minority (or both)? Not sure what he meant.
 
Yep...great points.

Another question pops into my mind: "400 years, that sounds like a choice". Is that by choice of the ruling class or of the minority (or both)? Not sure what he meant.

It's pretty ambiguous, though I believe it's been interpreted as the latter on social media, etc.

West seems to be trying the Willow and Jaden Smith School of Celebrity whereby you sort of give up on having an actual profession and mostly design clothes and 'think big' for a living....

"I mean, time for me, I can make it go slow or fast, however I please, and that’s how I know it doesn’t exist," Willow said.

"It’s proven that how time moves for you depends on where you are in the universe. It’s relative to beings and other places. But on the level of being here on earth, if you are aware in a moment, one second can last a year. And if you are unaware, your whole childhood, your whole life can pass by in six seconds," Jaden said.
 
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"It’s proven that how time moves for you depends on where you are in the universe. It’s relative to beings and other places. But on the level of being here on earth, if you are aware in a moment, one second can last a year. And if you are unaware, your whole childhood, your whole life can pass by in six seconds," Jaden said.
OK, I'm gonna tell my boss that if I miss a deadline:rolleyes:
 
That is true, but I can't see Kim behind this - she's all about money, and this is a big way to alienate your core fan base (they'll only put up with so much for so long).

I saw Kanye posted a pic of the interior of their home in twitter and Kim's response was, 'Hey! I thought we weren't sharing pics of our home on social media!!....So, does this mean we can show it on the next season of KUWTK?'.

It is all a big joke. What kind of married couple speaks to eachother on instagram?

LdN
 
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It's pretty ambiguous, though I believe it's been interpreted as the latter on social media, etc.

West seems to be trying the Willow and Jaden Smith School of Celebrity whereby you sort of give up on having an actual profession and mostly design clothes and 'think big' for a living....

"I mean, time for me, I can make it go slow or fast, however I please, and that’s how I know it doesn’t exist," Willow said.

"It’s proven that how time moves for you depends on where you are in the universe. It’s relative to beings and other places. But on the level of being here on earth, if you are aware in a moment, one second can last a year. And if you are unaware, your whole childhood, your whole life can pass by in six seconds," Jaden said.

Jaden seems like a pretty clear case of a heroin addict.

LdN
 
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It is all a big joke. What kind of married couple speaks to eachother on instagram?

LdN

One with agents who carefully choreograph their social media presence....(for Kim anyway; Kanye seems to do whatever the F he wants).
 
One with agents who carefully choreograph their social media presence....(for Kim anyway; Kanye seems to do whatever the F he wants).


My opinion is both are choreographed.
Kanye is a relatively decent looking guy. No idea why he hooked up with that disgusting whale of a wife, but to each their own.
Kanye knows what he is doing on social media. And in the regular media. Hence the sudden drop of details on his having a breakdown.

So let's put this in context regarding the spouses/significant others and men in their lives:

Kanye- drug addict, needed treatment
Lamar - Drug addict, (according to news nearly died)
Scott - Alcoholic drug addict? Not so sure he is a drug addict but had to go to rehab several times
Bruce - I'm guessing a pill popper, turned into a woman
Rob (brother) - Drug addict (pill popper) had a baby with some weird lady then had a breakdown
Father - Died relatively young at 59 from cancer.

Am I missing anyone? All those random rappers who are losers I don't know much about. They seem to float around but never stick.

LdN
 
My opinion is both are choreographed.
Kanye is a relatively decent looking guy. No idea why he hooked up with that disgusting whale of a wife, but to each their own.
Kanye knows what he is doing on social media. And in the regular media. Hence the sudden drop of details on his having a breakdown.

So let's put this in context regarding the spouses/significant others and men in their lives:

Kanye- drug addict, needed treatment
Lamar - Drug addict, (according to news nearly died)
Scott - Alcoholic drug addict? Not so sure he is a drug addict but had to go to rehab several times
Bruce - I'm guessing a pill popper, turned into a woman
Rob (brother) - Drug addict (pill popper) had a baby with some weird lady then had a breakdown
Father - Died relatively young at 59 from cancer.

Am I missing anyone? All those random rappers who are losers I don't know much about. They seem to float around but never stick.

LdN

I think you got everyone, save Kendall and the Jenner boys (who, aside from Brodie, appear to be normal, hard working kids).

I remember when my wife used to watch KUWTK (and it was a pretty compelling show when Kim was the only 'famous one' - her sisters worked in that crappy strip mall store to pay bills, Bruce was only interested in his RC planes, and Rob was skinny and getting laid a ton at USC) and there was one episode where Lamar went to the dentist because of his horrible rotten teeth. He said it was because he loved candy, noting he never ate any on the show. Also, his father would come around and ask for money - constantly. That seemed to weigh heavily on Lamar as that was the only time his dad would come around.
 
Kanye West. Dude has LOST. IT. :eek:

Kanye West Says Slavery Was a Choice, Gets Shut Down by TMZ Staffer
wzppfsj0kdej8ji6qgcm.jpg

Kanye West with Michele Lamy in Los Angeles in 2016
Photo: Rachel Murray (Getty Images for MOCA)

During an appearance on TMZ Live Tuesday morning, Kanye West made the bold and misguided proclamation that the 400 years black Americans spent being enslaved were a choice—much to the ire of one TMZ staffer.

Kanye made the appearance with Candace Owens, and the pair explained their definition of “free thought” and how coming from a place of love can make the world a better place.

At one point during the conversation, Kanye said, “When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sound like a choice.

“Like … you was there for 400 years and it’s all of y’all?” he asked incredulously.


Kanye still does not realize the power and weight his words carry. He clearly doesn’t understand how the trans-Atlantic slave trade worked.

Kanye really doesn’t understand anything anymore, does he?

Van Lathan from the TMZ newsroom was quick to call out Kanye on his bull and put him in his place.

“Do you feel that I’m being free and I’m thinking free?” Kanye asked.

“I actually don’t think you’re thinking anything,” Lathan said. “I think that what you’re doing right now is the absence of thought. And the reason why I feel like that is because Kanye, you’re entitled to your opinion. You’re entitled to believe whatever you want, but there is fact and real-world, real-life consequence behind everything that you just said. And while you are making music and being an artist and living a life that you’ve earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives.

“We have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice,” Lathan continued. “Frankly, I’m disappointed, I’m appalled, and brother—I am unbelievably hurt by the fact that you have morphed into something to me that isn’t real.”


Lathan then told Kanye that he has to be responsible about what he says.

“Your voice is too big,” he told Kanye, and those are the realest words ever.


It cannot be stressed enough the danger that lies in what Kanye is saying and doing as of late. He has power and influence and people who hang on to—and believe—his every word.

That puts a heavy burden of responsibility on Kanye, and if it is a level of responsibility that he is not willing to accept—shutting the **** up is always an option for him.

And then he follows it up with a fake Harriet Tubman quote popular with racists.

I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves. – Harriet Tubman
 
Yep...great points.

Another question pops into my mind: "400 years, that sounds like a choice". Is that by choice of the ruling class or of the minority (or both)? Not sure what he meant.

Pretty clear to me that he was referencing it was a choice of the enslaved. I mean, you had all that time ... and you did nothing but remain enslaved. It was your choice to remain that way! And he's tying it in to the enslavement of thoughts. He's choosing to be "free" with his thoughts, and not do what everyone else is doing.

Of course, this is all just a part of a mental breakdown we're witnessing firsthand. I'm hoping he finds the help he needs before he harms himself or others.

I think the fact that he became addicted to opioids, and he's blaming that on doctors ... I think he's just wigged out that the "establishment" of doctors told him what to do, and it turned out bad for him, so now he's not believing what people tell him. He's creating an alternate truth (the same one Trumpsters rely on, unfortunately).
 
Pretty clear to me that he was referencing it was a choice of the enslaved. I mean, you had all that time ... and you did nothing but remain enslaved. It was your choice to remain that way! And he's tying it in to the enslavement of thoughts. He's choosing to be "free" with his thoughts, and not do what everyone else is doing.

Of course, this is all just a part of a mental breakdown we're witnessing firsthand. I'm hoping he finds the help he needs before he harms himself or others.

I think the fact that he became addicted to opioids, and he's blaming that on doctors ... I think he's just wigged out that the "establishment" of doctors told him what to do, and it turned out bad for him, so now he's not believing what people tell him. He's creating an alternate truth (the same one Trumpsters rely on, unfortunately).

I think his train left the station a long time ago but him blaming dr.s for his opioid addiction I can believe with out a doubt.
 
Pretty clear to me that he was referencing it was a choice of the enslaved. I mean, you had all that time ... and you did nothing but remain enslaved. It was your choice to remain that way! And he's tying it in to the enslavement of thoughts. He's choosing to be "free" with his thoughts, and not do what everyone else is doing.

Of course, this is all just a part of a mental breakdown we're witnessing firsthand. I'm hoping he finds the help he needs before he harms himself or others.

I think the fact that he became addicted to opioids, and he's blaming that on doctors ... I think he's just wigged out that the "establishment" of doctors told him what to do, and it turned out bad for him, so now he's not believing what people tell him. He's creating an alternate truth (the same one Trumpsters rely on, unfortunately).
Funny how one day, he was cool....then one day, not!
 
Funny how one day, he was cool....then one day, not!

I'm a fan of rap since the beginning (well, near the very beginning), and although Kanye was after my generation, I still liked his a good deal of his music, until after "Can't Tell Me Nothing." Thereafter it was very hit and miss, mostly miss. But the entire time, he seemed like a decently smart guy struggling with something. He was always anti-this, or anti-that, more than being pro-something. And he often came off like a petulant child who had trouble reigning himself in. As he got older, it started becoming more pronounced. I don't know if this is his official break from reality, or if he can reign himself back in ... but it's close to the edge.
 
I think you got everyone, save Kendall and the Jenner boys (who, aside from Brodie, appear to be normal, hard working kids).

I remember when my wife used to watch KUWTK (and it was a pretty compelling show when Kim was the only 'famous one' - her sisters worked in that crappy strip mall store to pay bills, Bruce was only interested in his RC planes, and Rob was skinny and getting laid a ton at USC) and there was one episode where Lamar went to the dentist because of his horrible rotten teeth. He said it was because he loved candy, noting he never ate any on the show. Also, his father would come around and ask for money - constantly. That seemed to weigh heavily on Lamar as that was the only time his dad would come around.

Yeah I'm not saying Lamar isn't a tragic character. It just seems they either select headcases, or they create headcases.

I imagine it is a combination of both.

P.S.

I've never seen an episode of any Kardashian show. Everything I know is from headlines. Headlines are all one needs because everything they do is predictable.
 
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My opinion is both are choreographed.
Kanye is a relatively decent looking guy. No idea why he hooked up with that disgusting whale of a wife, but to each their own.
Kanye knows what he is doing on social media. And in the regular media. Hence the sudden drop of details on his having a breakdown.

So let's put this in context regarding the spouses/significant others and men in their lives:

Kanye- drug addict, needed treatment
Lamar - Drug addict, (according to news nearly died)
Scott - Alcoholic drug addict? Not so sure he is a drug addict but had to go to rehab several times
Bruce - I'm guessing a pill popper, turned into a woman
Rob (brother) - Drug addict (pill popper) had a baby with some weird lady then had a breakdown
Father - Died relatively young at 59 from cancer.

Am I missing anyone? All those random rappers who are losers I don't know much about. They seem to float around but never stick.

LdN

Why do you know so much about Kanye and the Kardashians?
 
I'm a fan of rap since the beginning (well, near the very beginning), and although Kanye was after my generation, I still liked his a good deal of his music, until after "Can't Tell Me Nothing." Thereafter it was very hit and miss, mostly miss. But the entire time, he seemed like a decently smart guy struggling with something. He was always anti-this, or anti-that, more than being pro-something. And he often came off like a petulant child who had trouble reigning himself in. As he got older, it started becoming more pronounced. I don't know if this is his official break from reality, or if he can reign himself back in ... but it's close to the edge.

His take on rap was different when he first hit - his production style was unique and influential, and his 'image' was 'preppy college rapper from Chicago' - which, no one else was doing. He rapped mostly about divisions in inner city social classes and how college couldn't solve all your problems. He mistook the creativity of others for his own at times (Spike Jonze, Takashi Murakami, etc.) and believe what people said about him. After his mother died and his whole Hennessy infused meltdown at the VMA's, he's been a different guy - mostly rapping about how smart he is and how much he loves Paris.
 
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