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option' tweet was trying to torpedo Navy's coach....and he knew that, the AZ AD knew it as well but allowed it to happen...

Khalil Tate was the overnight sensation of the 2017 season. After no meaningful impact on Arizona’s 2016 season, Tate took over the Wildcats’ starting quarterback role four games into the ’17 campaign and simply exploded.

His first start, a 45-42 win at Colorado, saw him rush 14 times for 327 yards — an FBS record for a quarterback — and four touchdowns while completing 12-of-13 passes for 154 yards and a touchdown. The rest of the season went pretty much like that: 111-of-179 passing for 1,591 yards with 14 touchdowns against nine picks while carrying 153 times for 1,411 yards and 12 scores. Tate finished the season ranked 97th nationally in total rushes but 17th in rushing yards; his 9.22 yards per carry were 1.35 yards ahead of the next-closest ball carrier with a similar number of carries.


And as Tate’s fortunes rose, so did Arizona’s. After a 2-2 start, the Wildcats ripped off four straight wins in Tate’s first four starts. Arizona did drop four of its final five games en route to a 7-6 final mark, but the Wildcats averaged 32 points in those four losses.

Arizona figured to enter 2018 as a Pac-12 South contender until a wrench was thrown in those plans with Rich Rodriguez’s firing on Jan. 2. Arizona AD Dave Heeke started shopping the position, and Tate’s status as a true junior was a major selling point for the job. Who wouldn’t want to coach such a talented player?

One person aware of Tate’s influence on Arizona’s coaching search? Khalil Tate himself. As the rumor mill churned and Ken Niumatalolo’s name surfaced, Tate dispatched a tweet: “I didn’t come to Arizona to run the tripple (sic) option.”

The tweet meant exactly what it said: Tate was trying to submarine the Navy head coach’s chances at the Arizona job.

“I had to make sure I was heard, make sure the team was heard, because my teammates didn’t want to run the triple option, either,” Tate told Bleacher Report’s Matt Hayes. “So the idea was to tweet it out, let it get traction, then delete it. I knew people reading it would say, ‘Why did he delete it?’ But that just magnifies it more.”

We reported Jan. 12 that Arizona offered the position to Niumatalolo. That same day, Tate sent his now-infamous tweet.

Khalil-Tate-tweet.png


By Jan. 14, Niumatalolo was no longer a candidate at Arizona, and Kevin Sumlin was hired later that day.

#YESSIR!!

We're excited to announce we have selected Kevin Sumlin (@CoachSumlin) to lead @ArizonaFBall into the future. #BearDown


“I didn’t want to go about the situation and then just be, OK, he’s the new coach, I don’t care. Because I did care. We did care as a team,” Tate said. “I knew tweeting that would create a buzz and maybe not get (Niumatalolo) as our coach. I think Ken Niumatalolo is a great coach. It’s nothing against him. But I think it was important to say what I had to say and let everyone know that we’re not just going to be quiet and let things happen. We’re going to be heard.”

Tate’s quotes highlight a lack of visionary leadership from Arizona AD Dave Heeke. If he was convinced Niumatalolo was the guy to lead Arizona moving forward, he should have gotten Tate and other Wildcat leaders in a room and explained his vision for the program with Niumatalolo as its head coach (and the fact Niumatalolo runs the triple option because it’s the best fit for Navy, not because he’s married to it.) And if the players were united against Niumatalolo, don’t you think it would have been better for Heeke and Arizona to learn that behind closed doors, instead of on Twitter?
 
Your inmates comment aside, I have no problem with this. He didn't come to Arizona to run some antiquated system.
If they did hire that coach, and I was Tate, I would transfer immediately. He was just stating the obvious.
 
Your inmates comment aside, I have no problem with this. He didn't come to Arizona to run some antiquated system.
If they did hire that coach, and I was Tate, I would transfer immediately. He was just stating the obvious.

Same.
 
I don't have any problem with this.....AZ's decision to fire Rodriguez (which was understandable under the alleged circumstances) and hire a new coach directly impacted the present and futures of the football players. They should have been heard.
 
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Your inmates comment aside, I have no problem with this. He didn't come to Arizona to run some antiquated system.
If they did hire that coach, and I was Tate, I would transfer immediately. He was just stating the obvious.

Agreed--I'd much rather him speak out before the hire than after.
I do think Ken Niumatalolo can be very successful in a P5 conference running the triple option but this wasn't a good fit and Tate is right to say he wouldn't want to run that offense.
 
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option' tweet was trying to torpedo Navy's coach....and he knew that, the AZ AD knew it as well but allowed it to happen...

Khalil Tate was the overnight sensation of the 2017 season. After no meaningful impact on Arizona’s 2016 season, Tate took over the Wildcats’ starting quarterback role four games into the ’17 campaign and simply exploded.

His first start, a 45-42 win at Colorado, saw him rush 14 times for 327 yards — an FBS record for a quarterback — and four touchdowns while completing 12-of-13 passes for 154 yards and a touchdown. The rest of the season went pretty much like that: 111-of-179 passing for 1,591 yards with 14 touchdowns against nine picks while carrying 153 times for 1,411 yards and 12 scores. Tate finished the season ranked 97th nationally in total rushes but 17th in rushing yards; his 9.22 yards per carry were 1.35 yards ahead of the next-closest ball carrier with a similar number of carries.


And as Tate’s fortunes rose, so did Arizona’s. After a 2-2 start, the Wildcats ripped off four straight wins in Tate’s first four starts. Arizona did drop four of its final five games en route to a 7-6 final mark, but the Wildcats averaged 32 points in those four losses.

Arizona figured to enter 2018 as a Pac-12 South contender until a wrench was thrown in those plans with Rich Rodriguez’s firing on Jan. 2. Arizona AD Dave Heeke started shopping the position, and Tate’s status as a true junior was a major selling point for the job. Who wouldn’t want to coach such a talented player?

One person aware of Tate’s influence on Arizona’s coaching search? Khalil Tate himself. As the rumor mill churned and Ken Niumatalolo’s name surfaced, Tate dispatched a tweet: “I didn’t come to Arizona to run the tripple (sic) option.”

The tweet meant exactly what it said: Tate was trying to submarine the Navy head coach’s chances at the Arizona job.

“I had to make sure I was heard, make sure the team was heard, because my teammates didn’t want to run the triple option, either,” Tate told Bleacher Report’s Matt Hayes. “So the idea was to tweet it out, let it get traction, then delete it. I knew people reading it would say, ‘Why did he delete it?’ But that just magnifies it more.”

We reported Jan. 12 that Arizona offered the position to Niumatalolo. That same day, Tate sent his now-infamous tweet.

Khalil-Tate-tweet.png


By Jan. 14, Niumatalolo was no longer a candidate at Arizona, and Kevin Sumlin was hired later that day.

#YESSIR!!

We're excited to announce we have selected Kevin Sumlin (@CoachSumlin) to lead @ArizonaFBall into the future. #BearDown


“I didn’t want to go about the situation and then just be, OK, he’s the new coach, I don’t care. Because I did care. We did care as a team,” Tate said. “I knew tweeting that would create a buzz and maybe not get (Niumatalolo) as our coach. I think Ken Niumatalolo is a great coach. It’s nothing against him. But I think it was important to say what I had to say and let everyone know that we’re not just going to be quiet and let things happen. We’re going to be heard.”

Tate’s quotes highlight a lack of visionary leadership from Arizona AD Dave Heeke. If he was convinced Niumatalolo was the guy to lead Arizona moving forward, he should have gotten Tate and other Wildcat leaders in a room and explained his vision for the program with Niumatalolo as its head coach (and the fact Niumatalolo runs the triple option because it’s the best fit for Navy, not because he’s married to it.) And if the players were united against Niumatalolo, don’t you think it would have been better for Heeke and Arizona to learn that behind closed doors, instead of on Twitter?


I think your mistake and the mistake of the author is that anyone (besides the bizarre and often wrong twitterverse) really cares what Khalil Tate wants.

The hire of a new coach transcends a single player and the AD understands this.

If they did hire the Navy coach Tate would be gone for good reason... and probably not by choice.

LdN
 
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Hack didn’t do that to Franklin.

Hack didn't but maybe he regrets that now. Regardless Hack wasn't being asked to run a triple option. I think he would have said something if that was going to be the case or he would have transferred.
 
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I think your mistake and the mistake of the author is that anyone (besides the bizarre and often wrong twitterverse) really cares what Khalil Tate wants.

The hire of a new coach transcends a single player and the AD understands this.

If they did hire the Navy coach Tate would be gone for good reason... and probably not by choice.

LdN

Tate would have been gone and it would have been by choice...his choice.
 
Your inmates comment aside, I have no problem with this. He didn't come to Arizona to run some antiquated system.
If they did hire that coach, and I was Tate, I would transfer immediately. He was just stating the obvious.
Agree... But immature and unprofessional to go public instead of keeping it internal
 
Hack didn't but maybe he regrets that now. Regardless Hack wasn't being asked to run a triple option. I think he would have said something if that was going to be the case or he would have transferred.

Hack was the wrong peg shape for the Franklin offense. Interesting that his best game ever was the first game or Franklin's tenure -- in Ireland. And he had over 300 yards passing the next two games (Akron and @ Rutgers) before things began to fall apart.

I think it was against Northwestern. Not sure what they did, but they seemed to create the blueprint on how to stop our offense. His only other 300 yard passing game that season was against BC in the Pinstripe Bowl. And he only had one more the following season -- against Maryland (though he hit 296 against SD State).

I've always wondered what exactly went so wrong that Hack threw for 300 yards in each of Franklin's first three games. Then only threw for 300 yards in three more games over the next 23. I realize the line, better defenses, defenses figure us out and we didn't have the personnel to make enough adjustments, etc. But was there something else there too?
 
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Hack didn’t do that to Franklin.
suppose Hack had said something like this,' I dont want CJF because he'll run a spread, or whatever reason', and the powers that be decided to go in a different direction (maybe some pro asst or whatever). I think that would be very short sighted thinking on PSU part. Hack (or this guy at AZ for example) would only be around 2 more seasons. I think as an AD you have to think longer term than that, and hire the right person for the long term good of the school.
Wake Forest went through this with Grobe, but decided the long term was better than keeping one of the Leak (Chris or CJ?) . I think it worked out for Wake.
 
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option' tweet was trying to torpedo Navy's coach....and he knew that, the AZ AD knew it as well but allowed it to happen...

Khalil Tate was the overnight sensation of the 2017 season. After no meaningful impact on Arizona’s 2016 season, Tate took over the Wildcats’ starting quarterback role four games into the ’17 campaign and simply exploded.

His first start, a 45-42 win at Colorado, saw him rush 14 times for 327 yards — an FBS record for a quarterback — and four touchdowns while completing 12-of-13 passes for 154 yards and a touchdown. The rest of the season went pretty much like that: 111-of-179 passing for 1,591 yards with 14 touchdowns against nine picks while carrying 153 times for 1,411 yards and 12 scores. Tate finished the season ranked 97th nationally in total rushes but 17th in rushing yards; his 9.22 yards per carry were 1.35 yards ahead of the next-closest ball carrier with a similar number of carries.


And as Tate’s fortunes rose, so did Arizona’s. After a 2-2 start, the Wildcats ripped off four straight wins in Tate’s first four starts. Arizona did drop four of its final five games en route to a 7-6 final mark, but the Wildcats averaged 32 points in those four losses.

Arizona figured to enter 2018 as a Pac-12 South contender until a wrench was thrown in those plans with Rich Rodriguez’s firing on Jan. 2. Arizona AD Dave Heeke started shopping the position, and Tate’s status as a true junior was a major selling point for the job. Who wouldn’t want to coach such a talented player?

One person aware of Tate’s influence on Arizona’s coaching search? Khalil Tate himself. As the rumor mill churned and Ken Niumatalolo’s name surfaced, Tate dispatched a tweet: “I didn’t come to Arizona to run the tripple (sic) option.”

The tweet meant exactly what it said: Tate was trying to submarine the Navy head coach’s chances at the Arizona job.

“I had to make sure I was heard, make sure the team was heard, because my teammates didn’t want to run the triple option, either,” Tate told Bleacher Report’s Matt Hayes. “So the idea was to tweet it out, let it get traction, then delete it. I knew people reading it would say, ‘Why did he delete it?’ But that just magnifies it more.”

We reported Jan. 12 that Arizona offered the position to Niumatalolo. That same day, Tate sent his now-infamous tweet.

Khalil-Tate-tweet.png


By Jan. 14, Niumatalolo was no longer a candidate at Arizona, and Kevin Sumlin was hired later that day.

#YESSIR!!

We're excited to announce we have selected Kevin Sumlin (@CoachSumlin) to lead @ArizonaFBall into the future. #BearDown


“I didn’t want to go about the situation and then just be, OK, he’s the new coach, I don’t care. Because I did care. We did care as a team,” Tate said. “I knew tweeting that would create a buzz and maybe not get (Niumatalolo) as our coach. I think Ken Niumatalolo is a great coach. It’s nothing against him. But I think it was important to say what I had to say and let everyone know that we’re not just going to be quiet and let things happen. We’re going to be heard.”

Tate’s quotes highlight a lack of visionary leadership from Arizona AD Dave Heeke. If he was convinced Niumatalolo was the guy to lead Arizona moving forward, he should have gotten Tate and other Wildcat leaders in a room and explained his vision for the program with Niumatalolo as its head coach (and the fact Niumatalolo runs the triple option because it’s the best fit for Navy, not because he’s married to it.) And if the players were united against Niumatalolo, don’t you think it would have been better for Heeke and Arizona to learn that behind closed doors, instead of on Twitter?

Ehhh I don't have a problem with what Khalil said. If he wanted to run the triple option he would have gone to Navy. I'm sure that true for a lot of the players at AZ. So no I don't have a problem at all with it. Tate's the one that would have to transfer out if he didn't like the new coach's system and frankly I don't think thats fair to him or the players. They didn't ask for RichRod (no matter what I think of him) to be fired.
I really like Ken N. and think hes a very good coach at Navy but I'm not sure I'd say he could just pick up and start another system. It seems if your a triple option coach thats what you run. I mean its not like Paul Johnson is running a pro style offense at GT.
 
suppose Hack had said something like this,' I dont want CJF because he'll run a spread, or whatever reason', and the powers that be decided to go in a different direction (maybe some pro asst or whatever). I think that would be very short sighted thinking on PSU part. Hack (or this guy at AZ for example) would only be around 2 more seasons. I think as an AD you have to think longer term than that, and hire the right person for the long term good of the school.
Wake Forest went through this with Grobe, but decided the long term was better than keeping one of the Leak (Chris or CJ?) . I think it worked out for Wake.

No disagreement but the QB is allowed to express his opinion...at least IMO. Actually any player is. If the AD caters to them that's on the AD
 
Hack was the wrong peg shape for the Franklin offense. Interesting that his best game ever was the first game or Franklin's tenure -- in Ireland. And he had over 300 yards passing the next two games (Akron and @ Rutgers) before things began to fall apart.

I think it was against Northwestern. Not sure what they did, but they seemed to create the blueprint on how to stop our offense. His only other 300 yard passing game that season was against BC in the Pinstripe Bowl. And he only had one more the following season -- against Maryland (though he hit 296 against SD State).

I've always wondered what exactly went so wrong that Hack threw for 300 yards in each of Franklin's first three games. Then only threw for 300 yards in three more games over the next 23. I realize the line, better defenses, defenses figure us out and we didn't have the personnel to make enough adjustments, etc. But was there something else there too?

I think you answered that question in your above paragraph. Pat Fitzgerald provided the blueprint on how to deal with Hack and Matt Ruhle expounded upon it.
Now that being said there was the elephant in the room with the OL.
 
No disagreement but the QB is allowed to express his opinion...at least IMO
IMO this isnt about the QB expressing his opinion, its about the AD being influenced by that expression, and in the twitter day and age , I think the AD was. And I dont think he should have been.
 
suppose Hack had said something like this,' I dont want CJF because he'll run a spread, or whatever reason', and the powers that be decided to go in a different direction (maybe some pro asst or whatever). I think that would be very short sighted thinking on PSU part. Hack (or this guy at AZ for example) would only be around 2 more seasons. I think as an AD you have to think longer term than that, and hire the right person for the long term good of the school.
Wake Forest went through this with Grobe, but decided the long term was better than keeping one of the Leak (Chris or CJ?) . I think it worked out for Wake.

I guess thats a legit point if your not a P5 school. How many P5 Schools are running the triple option and being successful?
Its a fun game of what if's but I have a feeling if PSU had been floating Ken N. name or Paul Johnsons name around Hack and family would not have been thrilled.
 
I can't see Ken Niumatalolo being a great fit in Arizona. Maybe a school like Colorado or even Oregon State out west but ideal fits are schools along the lines of Georgia Tech. Hell, even a school like Pitt might be a good fit. But you'll never know until you try. I do think Sumlin was a big time hire by them
 
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IMO this isnt about the QB expressing his opinion, its about the AD being influenced by that expression, and in the twitter day and age , I think the AD was. And I dont think he should have been.

LOL. everything and everyone is being "influenced" by twitter. I give you the Sandsusky scandal to start with. You can then work you way up to the current President.
 
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1. He is not a professional.

2. In today's world there is no such thing as keeping things internal. Especially at that age.
I beg to differ. If we are not professionals we still need to be professional. Some day, he'll need a favor. And being young is no excuse. Especially at QB.
 
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agreed, the AD is the one who should be running the show and not the player. The only way an inmate can run an asylum is for the asylum to allow it.

I still disagree that this is the inmate running the asylum but I agree on blaming the AD
 
I beg to differ. If we are not professionals we still need to be professional. Some day, he'll need a favor. And being young is no excuse. Especially at QB.

I really don't see the problem still...if he needs a favor who is really going to hold that tweet against him?
 
Where did it say he was going to install the triple option at AZ? So you blast a guy before you even know what system he will install. This is just stupid, so now a kid who will be gone form the program in 2 years dictates how you commit millions of dollars for numerous years after the kid is gone from the program. Sounds like the witch hunt that those morons in TN did to Schiano.
 
Where did it say he was going to install the triple option at AZ? So you blast a guy before you even know what system he will install. This is just stupid, so now a kid who will be gone form the program in 2 years dictates how you commit millions of dollars for numerous years after the kid is gone from the program. Sounds like the witch hunt that those morons in TN did to Schiano.

Ken Niumatalolo would absolutely run the triple option. The only head coach as an academy that wouldn't is Troy Calhoun (still underrated IMO).

Schiano's an entirely different mess
 
Where did it say he was going to install the triple option at AZ? So you blast a guy before you even know what system he will install. This is just stupid, so now a kid who will be gone form the program in 2 years dictates how you commit millions of dollars for numerous years after the kid is gone from the program. Sounds like the witch hunt that those morons in TN did to Schiano.

You really think he was going to change from the Triple Option? I don't. Paul Johnson hasn't and he probably has more to work with at GT then he did while at Navy.
Sure ANYTHING is possible but c'mon. The guy's been in or running an option offense since 1995.
 
You really think he was going to change from the Triple Option? I don't. Paul Johnson hasn't and he probably has more to work with at GT then he did while at Navy.
Sure ANYTHING is possible but c'mon. The guy's been in or running an option offense since 1995.

Thinking the other poster may not know much about Ken Niumatalolo's background. He's only worked for Paul Johnson. He's only run that offense. He believes in it. Any pitch Niumatalolo makes for a head coaching job is going to be centered around that offense.
 
You really think he was going to change from the Triple Option? I don't. Paul Johnson hasn't and he probably has more to work with at GT then he did while at Navy.
Sure ANYTHING is possible but c'mon. The guy's been in or running an option offense since 1995.
Grobe changed his offense when he left Ohio for Wake.
 
Where did it say he was going to install the triple option at AZ? So you blast a guy before you even know what system he will install. This is just stupid, so now a kid who will be gone form the program in 2 years dictates how you commit millions of dollars for numerous years after the kid is gone from the program. Sounds like the witch hunt that those morons in TN did to Schiano.
the school will get what they deserve- it's never a good idea to listen to a 20 something
 
Thinking the other poster may not know much about Ken Niumatalolo's background. He's only worked for Paul Johnson. He's only run that offense. He believes in it. Any pitch Niumatalolo makes for a head coaching job is going to be centered around that offense.
hmmmm...
UNLV
In 1999, Niumatalolo left Annapolis to become an assistant at UNLV. While there, he called the plays and also worked with the kickoff return unit.[7]
 
hmmmm...
UNLV
In 1999, Niumatalolo left Annapolis to become an assistant at UNLV. While there, he called the plays and also worked with the kickoff return unit.[7]

He wasn't a coordinator at UNLV. Definitely wasn't running that offense under John Robinson. Stop reading wiki
 
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