FC/OT: Oscar Bait 2018 - Neil Armstrong pic 'First Man'.....

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Got dazzling reviews at the Venice Film Festival (BBC gave it Five Stars) and looks like another hit for young director Damien Chazelle. Stars Ryan Gosling and Claire Foy, based on the book by James R. Hansen. Sounds like NASA and the Armstrong family were vital to ensuring the film's authenticity.

The film, based on James R Hansen’s book, traces Armstrong’s journey from family tragedy to the moon landing and what the NASA technicians and astronauts endured along the way.

Writer Josh Singer, who won an Oscar for penning 2015’s Best Picture winner Spotlight (a film that also premiered on the Lido), credited Armstrong’s family for helping the filmmakers get “underneath who Neil was” which helped get at “the human as opposed to the icon.”

Gosling said in researching the intensely private Armstrong. “I’ve never had more help in my life on a film… Whether it was Neil’s sons or his late ex-wife Janet or Neil’s sister, his childhood friends… NASA opened the door to the facilities. Neil was a very famously introspective quiet humble person so the challenge was to honor that but also to create windows into what he might be or had been experiencing emotionally at the time.”

Gosling also learned a lesson. “I thought what I should do was learn how to fly.” But not too long in, when the instructor told him to take the plane into a controlled stall, “I thought in that moment, ‘This is a terrible idea and there was a reason why Neil Armstrong was destined to be one of the greatest pilots and I’m not.’ In that moment, I realized something about Neil. It’s a certain kind of person that will get into a plane and intentionally push it to its breaking point for the sole purpose of pushing our aeronautics forward.”

To achieve authentic sound, the team used actual X15 suits and the helmets of real astronauts at the time. They also re-created tiny space capsules that are faithful to the originals. Jason Clarke, who plays Apollo astronaut Eddie White, called the experience of shooting in them “surreal.”

 

[Obliviax]

Awesome "get" for Gosling.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Awesome "get" for Gosling.

no, his awesome "get" was marrying Eva Mendes.

I rest my case.

 

[Lion Lineage]

Got dazzling reviews at the Venice Film Festival (BBC gave it Five Stars) and looks like another hit for young director Damien Chazelle. Stars Ryan Gosling and Claire Foy, based on the book by James R. Hansen. Sounds like NASA and the Armstrong family were vital to ensuring the film's authenticity.

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The film, based on James R Hansen’s book, traces Armstrong’s journey from family tragedy to the moon landing and what the NASA technicians and astronauts endured along the way.

Writer Josh Singer, who won an Oscar for penning 2015’s Best Picture winner Spotlight (a film that also premiered on the Lido), credited Armstrong’s family for helping the filmmakers get “underneath who Neil was” which helped get at “the human as opposed to the icon.”

Gosling said in researching the intensely private Armstrong. “I’ve never had more help in my life on a film… Whether it was Neil’s sons or his late ex-wife Janet or Neil’s sister, his childhood friends… NASA opened the door to the facilities. Neil was a very famously introspective quiet humble person so the challenge was to honor that but also to create windows into what he might be or had been experiencing emotionally at the time.”

Gosling also learned a lesson. “I thought what I should do was learn how to fly.” But not too long in, when the instructor told him to take the plane into a controlled stall, “I thought in that moment, ‘This is a terrible idea and there was a reason why Neil Armstrong was destined to be one of the greatest pilots and I’m not.’ In that moment, I realized something about Neil. It’s a certain kind of person that will get into a plane and intentionally push it to its breaking point for the sole purpose of pushing our aeronautics forward.”

To achieve authentic sound, the team used actual X15 suits and the helmets of real astronauts at the time. They also re-created tiny space capsules that are faithful to the originals. Jason Clarke, who plays Apollo astronaut Eddie White, called the experience of shooting in them “surreal.”

Looks like it will be good. I really enjoyed Gosling in Blade Runner 2049 and thought he was really funny in a buddy detective movie with Russel Crow that flew under the radar, the Nice Guys.

 

[We Are . . .]

"the next time you walk outside on a clear night and see the moon smiling down on you, think of Neil Armstrong and give him a wink."
From the Armstrong family's announcement of Neil's death in August, 2012

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I was on a tour of historic ancient Irish ruins in 1997 near Dingle in Ireland and the tour guide gave us a few hints on who had been on the tour a week before. None other than Neil Armstrong. Imagine being his seat mate on the small tour bus. “Hi, I’m dipshit and I’m a big shot Attorney in The City”. “Oh, my name’s Neil. I walked on the moon”

 

[BobPSU92]

Got dazzling reviews at the Venice Film Festival (BBC gave it Five Stars) and looks like another hit for young director Damien Chazelle. Stars Ryan Gosling and Claire Foy, based on the book by James R. Hansen. Sounds like NASA and the Armstrong family were vital to ensuring the film's authenticity.

View embedded media

The film, based on James R Hansen’s book, traces Armstrong’s journey from family tragedy to the moon landing and what the NASA technicians and astronauts endured along the way.

Writer Josh Singer, who won an Oscar for penning 2015’s Best Picture winner Spotlight (a film that also premiered on the Lido), credited Armstrong’s family for helping the filmmakers get “underneath who Neil was” which helped get at “the human as opposed to the icon.”

Gosling said in researching the intensely private Armstrong. “I’ve never had more help in my life on a film… Whether it was Neil’s sons or his late ex-wife Janet or Neil’s sister, his childhood friends… NASA opened the door to the facilities. Neil was a very famously introspective quiet humble person so the challenge was to honor that but also to create windows into what he might be or had been experiencing emotionally at the time.”

Gosling also learned a lesson. “I thought what I should do was learn how to fly.” But not too long in, when the instructor told him to take the plane into a controlled stall, “I thought in that moment, ‘This is a terrible idea and there was a reason why Neil Armstrong was destined to be one of the greatest pilots and I’m not.’ In that moment, I realized something about Neil. It’s a certain kind of person that will get into a plane and intentionally push it to its breaking point for the sole purpose of pushing our aeronautics forward.”

To achieve authentic sound, the team used actual X15 suits and the helmets of real astronauts at the time. They also re-created tiny space capsules that are faithful to the originals. Jason Clarke, who plays Apollo astronaut Eddie White, called the experience of shooting in them “surreal.”

So you're an Oscar baiter?

 

[BobPSU92]

I was on a tour of historic ancient Irish ruins in 1997 near Dingle in Ireland and the tour guide gave us a few hints on who had been on the tour a week before. None other than Neil Armstrong. Imagine being his seat mate on the small tour bus. “Hi, I’m dipshit and I’m a big shot Attorney in The City”. “Oh, my name’s Neil. I walked on the moon”

Neil Armstrong wins every first meeting. "So, what did you do?" Discussion over.

 

[lj4heisman1]

When Apollo Mission Astronaut Neil Armstrong first walked on the moon, he not only gave his famous “One small step for man; one giant leap for mankind” statement, but followed it by several remarks, including the usual COM traffic between him, the other astronauts, and Mission Control. Before he re-entered the lander, he made the enigmatic remark “Good luck, Mr. Gorsky.”Many people at NASA thought it was a casual remark concerning some rival Soviet Cosmonaut. However, upon checking, [they found] there was no Gorsky in either the Russian or American space programs.

Over the years, many people have questioned him as to what the “Good luck, Mr. Gorsky” statement meant. On July 5, in Tampa Bay, FL, while answering questions following a speech, a reporter brought up the 26- year-old question to Armstrong. He finally responded. It seems that Mr. Gorsky had died and so Armstrong felt he could answer the question. When he was a kid, Neil was playing baseball with his brother in the backyard. His brother hit a fly ball which landed in front of his neighbors’ bedroom window. The neighbors were Mr. and Mrs. Gorsky. As he leaned down to pick up the ball, he heard Mrs. Gorsky shouting at Mr. Gorsky, “Oral sex? Oral sex you want? You’ll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!”



jk

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Over the years, many people have questioned him as to what the “Good luck, Mr. Gorsky” statement meant.

It's surprising how frequently this story gets told on this board.

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Fortunately (or unfortunately for the story), it was disproven in Thread 3:

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post 2

 

[herrli]

Just remember, as I scanned the Purdue /NW thread earlier and read that's why they call them Purdon't ,Neil Armstrong was a Purdue grad ! I get the humor on the football part but things to keep in mind about another Big 10 school

 

[Op2]

Okay, I'm going to be "that guy," but in as polite a way as I can.

I don't understand the appeal of movies like this that are based on real events about which people can already get endless amounts of real info, real audio and real video any time they like. People take what's in the movie as gospel, even though a movie conveys way less info than is in a book (which in turn conveys way less info than is in reality).

When you combine the facts that (a) people often take what is in a movie as gospel and (b) moviemakers won't hesitate to make up stuff if it makes a "true" movie more dramatic, a good argument can be made that watching movies like this actually makes the public less informed (while simultaneously making them think they're more informed).

 

[wbcincy]

Okay, I'm going to be "that guy," but in as polite a way as I can.

I don't understand the appeal of movies like this that are based on real events about which people can already get endless amounts of real info, real audio and real video any time they like. People take what's in the movie as gospel, even though a movie conveys way less info than is in a book (which in turn conveys way less info than is in reality).

When you combine the facts that (a) people often take what is in a movie as gospel and (b) moviemakers won't hesitate to make up stuff if it makes a "true" movie more dramatic, a good argument can be made that watching movies like this actually makes the public less informed (while simultaneously making them think they're more informed).

Methinks anyone who takes their history from TV and movies was never going to bother reading the books anyway.

 

[step.eng69]

It's surprising how frequently this story gets told on this board.

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Thread 3

Fortunately (or unfortunately for the story), it was disproven in Thread 3:

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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you guys ...
for massaging my prostate. Straight men enjoy anal play, too

 

[PSU&Trout]

Methinks anyone who takes their history from TV and movies was never going to bother reading the books anyway.

Ba Bing and so sadly true

 

[RabidLion]

Got dazzling reviews at the Venice Film Festival (BBC gave it Five Stars) and looks like another hit for young director Damien Chazelle. Stars Ryan Gosling and Claire Foy, based on the book by James R. Hansen. Sounds like NASA and the Armstrong family were vital to ensuring the film's authenticity.

View embedded media

The film, based on James R Hansen’s book, traces Armstrong’s journey from family tragedy to the moon landing and what the NASA technicians and astronauts endured along the way.

Writer Josh Singer, who won an Oscar for penning 2015’s Best Picture winner Spotlight (a film that also premiered on the Lido), credited Armstrong’s family for helping the filmmakers get “underneath who Neil was” which helped get at “the human as opposed to the icon.”

Gosling said in researching the intensely private Armstrong. “I’ve never had more help in my life on a film… Whether it was Neil’s sons or his late ex-wife Janet or Neil’s sister, his childhood friends… NASA opened the door to the facilities. Neil was a very famously introspective quiet humble person so the challenge was to honor that but also to create windows into what he might be or had been experiencing emotionally at the time.”

Gosling also learned a lesson. “I thought what I should do was learn how to fly.” But not too long in, when the instructor told him to take the plane into a controlled stall, “I thought in that moment, ‘This is a terrible idea and there was a reason why Neil Armstrong was destined to be one of the greatest pilots and I’m not.’ In that moment, I realized something about Neil. It’s a certain kind of person that will get into a plane and intentionally push it to its breaking point for the sole purpose of pushing our aeronautics forward.”

To achieve authentic sound, the team used actual X15 suits and the helmets of real astronauts at the time. They also re-created tiny space capsules that are faithful to the originals. Jason Clarke, who plays Apollo astronaut Eddie White, called the experience of shooting in them “surreal.”

Hard pass .

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Hard pass .

 

[royboy]

The whole thing was fake anyway.

A fake event that involved OJ Simpson?.....nah, not possible

 

[lj4heisman1]

It's surprising how frequently this story gets told on this board.

Thread 1

Thread 2

Thread 3

Fortunately (or unfortunately for the story), it was disproven in Thread 3:

post 1

post 2

hence the jk

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Just remember, as I scanned the Purdue /NW thread earlier and read that's why they call them Purdon't ,Neil Armstrong was a Purdue grad ! I get the humor on the football part but things to keep in mind about another Big 10 school

I was in the same fraternity as Neil and I met him in the early 90s on my 21st birthday. I still obviously have the photo I took with him. Over the course of my career when I’ve introduced myself to new teams I always show that picture and tell people “the person I’m standing with is one of the most famous people in history and a thousand years from now school kids will still be learning his name, who is it?” Never once has anyone ever guessed right.

 

[eidolon21]

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On May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy announced his goal of putting a man on the moon by the end of the decade.
Credit: NASA


Fifty years ago, on May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy gave a historic speech before a joint session of Congress that set the United States on a course to the moon.

In his speech, Kennedy called for an ambitious space exploration programthat included not just missions to put astronauts on the moon, but also a Rover nuclear rocket, weather satellites and other space projects. [Video: President Kennedy's Moonshot Moment]

This NASA-provided transcript shows the text of Kennedy's speech and what it called for, in 1961, to put Americans in space and on the moon before the decade ended. About 2 1/2 years after giving the speech, later, Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Just over eight years after the speech, on July 20, 1969, NASA's Apollo 11 mission would land the first humans on the moon.

Here's a look at Kennedy's speech to Congress:

President John F. Kennedy

Delivered in person before a joint session of Congress May 25, 1961

Section IX: Space:

Finally, if we are to win the battle that is now going on around the world between freedom and tyranny, the dramatic achievements in space which occurred in recent weeks should have made clear to us all, as did the Sputnik in 1957, the impact of this adventure on the minds of men everywhere, who are attempting to make a determination of which road they should take. Since early in my term, our efforts in space have been under review. With the advice of the Vice President, who is Chairman of the National Space Council, we have examined where we are strong and where we are not, where we may succeed and where we may not. Now it is time to take longer strides--time for a great new American enterprise--time for this nation to take a clearly leading role in space achievement, which in many ways may hold the key to our future on earth.

I believe we possess all the resources and talents necessary. But the facts of the matter are that we have never made the national decisions or marshaled the national resources required for such leadership. We have never specified long-range goals on an urgent time schedule, or managed our resources and our time so as to insure their fulfillment.

Recognizing the head start obtained by the Soviets with their large rocket engines, which gives them many months of lead-time, and recognizing the likelihood that they will exploit this lead for some time to come in still more impressive successes, we nevertheless are required to make new efforts on our own. For while we cannot guarantee that we shall one day be first, we can guarantee that any failure to make this effort will make us last. We take an additional risk by making it in full view of the world, but as shown by the feat of astronaut Shepard, this very risk enhances our stature when we are successful. But this is not merely a race. Space is open to us now; and our eagerness to share its meaning is not governed by the efforts of others. We go into space because whatever mankind must undertake, free men must fully share.

I therefore ask the Congress, above and beyond the increases I have earlier requested for space activities, to provide the funds which are needed to meet the following national goals:

First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the Earth.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Statement from Neil’s sons, Rick and Mark, along with ‘First Man’ author James Hansen:

We’ve read a number of comments about the film today and specifically about the absence of the flag planting scene, made largely by people who haven’t seen the movie. As we’ve seen it multiple times, we thought maybe we should weigh in.

This is a film that focuses on what you don’t know about Neil Armstrong. It’s a film that focuses on things you didn’t see or may not remember about Neil’s journey to the moon. The filmmakers spent years doing extensive research to get at the man behind the myth, to get at the story behind the story. It’s a movie that gives you unique insight into the Armstrong family and fallen American Heroes like Elliot See and Ed White. It’s a very personal movie about our dad’s journey, seen through his eyes.

This story is human and it is universal. Of course, it celebrates an America achievement. It also celebrates an achievement “for all mankind,” as it says on the plaque Neil and Buzz left on the moon. It is a story about an ordinary man who makes profound sacrifices and suffers through intense loss in order to achieve the impossible.

Although Neil didn’t see himself that way, he was an American hero. He was also an engineer and a pilot, a father and a friend, a man who suffered privately through great tragedies with incredible grace. This is why, though there are numerous shots of the American flag on the moon, the filmmakers chose to focus on Neil looking back at the earth, his walk to Little West Crater, his unique, personal experience of completing this journey, a journey that has seen so many incredible highs and devastating lows.

In short, we do not feel this movie is anti-American in the slightest. Quite the opposite. But don’t take our word for it. We’d encourage everyone to go see this remarkable film and see for themselves.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

LOL, their last sentence reveals their true intentions for releasing a statement about the matter:

We’d encourage everyone to go see this remarkable film and see for themselves.​

I wonder what their share of the box office is?

 

[RandyL]

2 minor points in the midst of this argument:

Good speech by JFK......leadership.
Its not enough that a speech be well-written; He understood phrasing and timing in delivery.

I dont think I had ever noticed the resemblance between Eva Mendes and
Raquel Welch.

 

[wbcincy]

I was going to be bothered if the flag was non-existent in the film, because it’s presence was too intertwined in the moment to be intentionally removed, for any legitimate reason anyway IMO.

But now that I find out the flag is there in the scenes, just not the scene of being planted... what a made up story just to generate outrage.

 

[Lion Lineage]

I was going to be bothered if the flag was non-existent in the film, because it’s presence was too intertwined in the moment to be intentionally removed, for any legitimate reason anyway IMO.

But now that I find out the flag is there in the scenes, just not the scene of being planted... what a made up story just to generate outrage.

We have Fake News as a “thing”, now we need Fake Outrage.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

We have Fake News as a “thing”, now we need Fake Outrage.

Bob is in charge of that! LOL!!

 

[GreggK]

Ugh, some snowflakes start crying about every perceived slight, real or in most cases, not.

I will be seeing this movie about an American hero

 

[BoilerBulldog]

SIAP

from Rick Armstrong and Mark Armstrong (sons) and James Hansen (First Man author):

"We do not feel this movie is anti-American in the slightest. Quite the opposite. But don’t take our word for it. We’d encourage everyone to go see this remarkable film and see for themselves.
This story is human and it is universal. Of course, it celebrates an America achievement. It also celebrates an achievement 'for all mankind'. "

 

[Carl Spackler]

• MORE

On May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy announced his goal of putting a man on the moon by the end of the decade.
Credit: NASA


Fifty years ago, on May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy gave a historic speech before a joint session of Congress that set the United States on a course to the moon.

In his speech, Kennedy called for an ambitious space exploration programthat included not just missions to put astronauts on the moon, but also a Rover nuclear rocket, weather satellites and other space projects. [Video: President Kennedy's Moonshot Moment]

This NASA-provided transcript shows the text of Kennedy's speech and what it called for, in 1961, to put Americans in space and on the moon before the decade ended. About 2 1/2 years after giving the speech, later, Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Just over eight years after the speech, on July 20, 1969, NASA's Apollo 11 mission would land the first humans on the moon.

Here's a look at Kennedy's speech to Congress:

President John F. Kennedy

Delivered in person before a joint session of Congress May 25, 1961

Section IX: Space:

Finally, if we are to win the battle that is now going on around the world between freedom and tyranny, the dramatic achievements in space which occurred in recent weeks should have made clear to us all, as did the Sputnik in 1957, the impact of this adventure on the minds of men everywhere, who are attempting to make a determination of which road they should take. Since early in my term, our efforts in space have been under review. With the advice of the Vice President, who is Chairman of the National Space Council, we have examined where we are strong and where we are not, where we may succeed and where we may not. Now it is time to take longer strides--time for a great new American enterprise--time for this nation to take a clearly leading role in space achievement, which in many ways may hold the key to our future on earth.

I believe we possess all the resources and talents necessary. But the facts of the matter are that we have never made the national decisions or marshaled the national resources required for such leadership. We have never specified long-range goals on an urgent time schedule, or managed our resources and our time so as to insure their fulfillment.

Recognizing the head start obtained by the Soviets with their large rocket engines, which gives them many months of lead-time, and recognizing the likelihood that they will exploit this lead for some time to come in still more impressive successes, we nevertheless are required to make new efforts on our own. For while we cannot guarantee that we shall one day be first, we can guarantee that any failure to make this effort will make us last. We take an additional risk by making it in full view of the world, but as shown by the feat of astronaut Shepard, this very risk enhances our stature when we are successful. But this is not merely a race. Space is open to us now; and our eagerness to share its meaning is not governed by the efforts of others. We go into space because whatever mankind must undertake, free men must fully share.

I therefore ask the Congress, above and beyond the increases I have earlier requested for space activities, to provide the funds which are needed to meet the following national goals:

First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the Earth.

That was an amazing speech from President Kennedy. I liked it so much I used part of it (fully credited) in a campaign presentation for the board of directors of my national professional association. It worked, again. I use the part where he said, roughly .....we will put a man on the moon and safely bring him home again, not because it is easy, but because it is hard to do. I was very impressed by that phrase and incorporated it into my presentation. It always got a great response. Most did not seem to remember it was from Pres. Kennedy.

 

[Woodpecker]

It also celebrates an achievement 'for all mankind'.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Kind of a lukewarm reception at the box office. I wonder how many truly boycotted vs. other factors?
There are no shortage of opinions on the inter webs.

 

[BobPSU92]

Bob is in charge of that! LOL!!

I admit that my OUTRAGE. is often fake. I hate me.

 

[Lion Lineage]

It was released a week after blockbusters Venom and a A Star is Born. I think it got lost in the wash. When movies come out and they’re hits the studios kick the ad budget into overdrive proclaiming stuff like: Number one movie in the world!” etc. and it creates even more buzz. Meanwhile First Man has yet to be released and it has no buzz. Well, there was a Buzz in the movie. There just wasn’t much buzz about the movie. Plus you had a segment of the movie going public saying they wouldn’t see it because the flag, while prominent in the movie, wasn’t shown being driven into the moon’s rocky, dusty “soil.” Mind you, these are undoubtedly the same people who make fun of “safe spaces” and “snowflakes” for being so easily offended.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

It was released a week after blockbusters Venom and a A Star is Born. I think it got lost in the wash. When movies come out and they’re hits the studios kick the ad budget into overdrive proclaiming stuff like: Number one movie in the world!” etc. and it creates even more buzz. Meanwhile First Man has yet to be released and it has no buzz. Well, there was a Buzz in the movie. There just wasn’t much buzz about the movie. Plus you had a segment of the movie going public saying they wouldn’t see it because the flag, while prominent in the movie, wasn’t shown being driven into the moon’s rocky, dusty “soil.” Mind you, these are undoubtedly the same people who make fun of “safe spaces” and “snowflakes” for being so easily offended.

I think it was trying to get ahead of the awards season by being sort of the first 'Oscar' movie, but like you noted, it was released on the heels of the biggest October opening ever (Venom) and the much hyped star power of Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga in A Star is Born. So, it's been out for 17 days and according to BoxOffice Mojo, it has made $75mm worldwide ($37.8mm domestically) and had a budget of about $60mm. I don't know how much money everyone thought this film would make, but seems to be doing pretty well for what it is. And will likely get a lot more views once the Oscar/Golden Globe nominations are announced.

 

[Lion Lineage]

I think it was trying to get ahead of the awards season by being sort of the first 'Oscar' movie, but like you noted, it was released on the heels of the biggest October opening ever (Venom) and the much hyped star power of Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga in A Star is Born. So, it's been out for 17 days and according to BoxOffice Mojo, it has made $75mm worldwide ($37.8mm domestically) and had a budget of about $60mm. I don't know how much money everyone thought this film would make, but seems to be doing pretty well for what it is. And will likely get a lot more views once the Oscar/Golden Globe nominations are announced.

If the studio leaves it in the theaters it will probably have a second life because of the Oscar buzz. Taking into account the US box office and the overseas take it will probably come close to $100 million, maybe even double it’s budget and come close to $120 million. I have yet to see it. Hopefully will see it this weekend. Bridge of Spies Made $165 million some and Lincoln $275 million and change. It won’t come close to Lincoln and probably will fall short of BOS too. BTW, how is it that Ryan Gossling is so popular with the ladies and yet his movies seem to constantly underperform: The Nice Guys, Blade Runner 2049, First Man. La La Land, which I haven’t seen, and the Big Short being the exceptions. Though he wasn’t the lead in the Big Short.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

If the studio leaves it in the theaters it will probably have a second life because of the Oscar buzz. Taking into account the US box office and the overseas take it will probably come close to $100 million, maybe even double it’s budget and come close to $120 million. I have yet to see it. Hopefully will see it this weekend. Bridge of Spies Made $165 million some and Lincoln $275 million and change. It won’t come close to Lincoln and probably will fall short of BOS too. BTW, how is it that Ryan Gossling is so popular with the ladies and yet his movies seem to constantly underperform: The Nice Guys, Blade Runner 2049, First Man. La La Land, which I haven’t seen, and the Big Short being the exceptions. Though he wasn’t the lead in the Big Short.

La La Land was a huge success - cost $30mm to make and grossed about $175mm (and got him and Oscar nomination). As to your question, I don’t know. His movies are mostly successful but he’s a secretive guy. How many times have you ever seen him in public with his wife, Eva Mendes?

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

I kind of think this article from a site called "Looper" sums it up best. There is a link below to the full article, but here are some of the most important portions:
Here's the thing about Hollywood accounting — as a general expectation, it's an endless stream of lies. There's a variety of reasons behind this phenomenon, but the essentials are pretty simple: The people who make movies don't really want you to know how much the movies cost. When studios do bother to report a movie's production budget — and they often simply don't — the numbers are often not quite accurate. But the real lie of omission comes from the lack of information around movies' marketing budgets, which are often remarkably high.

As a rule of thumb, the marketing budgets (aka the print and advertising costs) for the typical studio movie can be understood to be around half of the production budget — and for bigger movies, that's often a low estimate. Think about how you hear about the movies coming out in a given year — you don't necessarily seek them out. People spend a lot of money to implant information about movies into people's minds, hitting potential viewers from every vector possible. In First Man's case, we can safely bet that the movie's real costs weren't just the reported $59 million production budget, but also another $30 million on top — and that's a low estimate. It's in this context that that third place start at the box office starts to look dire — this movie's got to make some money, and it's off to a distressingly slow start.

Read More: https://www.looper.com/135658/why-first-man-bombed-at-the-box-office/

Hollywood's accounting is about as reliable as The People's Republic of China's!!

 

[john4psu]

That was an amazing speech from President Kennedy. I liked it so much I used part of it (fully credited) in a campaign presentation for the board of directors of my national professional association. It worked, again. I use the part where he said, roughly .....we will put a man on the moon and safely bring him home again, not because it is easy, but because it is hard to do. I was very impressed by that phrase and incorporated it into my presentation. It always got a great response. Most did not seem to remember it was from Pres. Kennedy.

Other quotes I like along that same topic line:

American Educator Hamilton Holt was quoted as saying, “Nothing worthwhile comes easily.”

English painter William Blake said, “Great things are done when men and mountains meet.”

I came up with, "When obstacles appear insurmountable, visionaries see opportunity."

 

[massimoManca II]

Okay, I'm going to be "that guy," but in as polite a way as I can.

I don't understand the appeal of movies like this that are based on real events about which people can already get endless amounts of real info, real audio and real video any time they like. People take what's in the movie as gospel, even though a movie conveys way less info than is in a book (which in turn conveys way less info than is in reality).

When you combine the facts that (a) people often take what is in a movie as gospel and (b) moviemakers won't hesitate to make up stuff if it makes a "true" movie more dramatic, a good argument can be made that watching movies like this actually makes the public less informed (while simultaneously making them think they're more informed).

Agree...

i’d be much more interested in a well-executed documentary (though Apollo11 has been beaten to death, not to mention it was the least-interesting of of the seven missions) as opposed to what is essentially a re-enactment... much the same reason I immediately tune off WWII documentaries (which I consume like M&Ms) as soon as I see some actor playing Adolf Hitler ...