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First set of Coaches Rankings

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That's unbelievable! The rankings project 9 in the semis and 6 in the finals. We're witnessing something other-worldly.
It is crazy we that good top to bottom. That being said, there are some top guys not ranked here because of the criteria...Crookham, Shapiro, Teemer, Gable and Figs just off top of my head
 
Darn! When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be how the coaches are ranked. Maybe someone can start a poll for that.
 
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Somebody has Carter at #2. Wonder who that could be.
The math isn't working out, so I think either two had Carter at #2, or one had him at #3.

There are supposed to be 16 coaches who vote (2 from each of the eight conferences), but it appears that only 14 coaches actually voted. It also appears (for several reasons) that 462 points is the maximum you could get and 14 coaches x 33 points equals 462. Carter got 460 points, so if my logic on 14 coaches is correct, he either got one third place or two second places.
 
Maybe someone should tell him.

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The math isn't working out, so I think either two had Carter at #2, or one had him at #3.

There are supposed to be 16 coaches who vote (2 from each of the eight conferences), but it appears that only 14 coaches actually voted. It also appears (for several reasons) that 462 points is the maximum you could get and 14 coaches x 33 points equals 462. Carter got 460 points, so if my logic on 14 coaches is correct, he either got one third place or two second places.
They drop the high and low so that means at least two voted Starocci 3 or lower OR three voted him 2 or lower.
 
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The math isn't working out, so I think either two had Carter at #2, or one had him at #3.

There are supposed to be 16 coaches who vote (2 from each of the eight conferences), but it appears that only 14 coaches actually voted. It also appears (for several reasons) that 462 points is the maximum you could get and 14 coaches x 33 points equals 462. Carter got 460 points, so if my logic on 14 coaches is correct, he either got one third place or two second places.
Why not Taylor? I do kid, but.
 
They drop the high and low so that means at least two voted Starocci 3 or lower OR three voted him 2 or lower.
I don't know why we place any importance on the coaches rankings. The poll is garbage. Their RPI requirement leaves too many guys out of the rankings for any reasonable degree of accuracy. Then there is the bias in the voting. I find it hard to believe that coaches do not push their guys higher in the rankings then they should be. Finally, coaches are extremely busy. There are just not enough hours in the day for them. Does anyone really think that given their time constraints, that the coaches can do the research necessary to make a knowledgeable ranking decision? The whole thing seems ridiculous.
 
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I don't know why we place any importance on the coaches rankings. The poll is garbage. Their RPI requirement leaves too many guys out of the rankings for any reasonable degree of accuracy. Then there is the bias in the voting. I find it hard to believe that coaches do not push their guys higher in the rankings then they should be. Finally, coaches are extremely busy. There are just not enough hours in the day for them. Does anyone really think that given their time constraints, that the coaches can do the research necessary to make a knowledgeable ranking decision? The whole thing seems ridiculous.
Kinda like electing the King of the Brethren Court

Personal interest trumps all
 
I don't know why we place any importance on the coaches rankings. The poll is garbage. Their RPI requirement leaves too many guys out of the rankings for any reasonable degree of accuracy. Then there is the bias in the voting. I find it hard to believe that coaches do not push their guys higher in the rankings than they should be. Finally, coaches are extremely busy. There are just not enough hours in the day for them. Does anyone really think that given their time constraints, that the coaches can do the research necessary to make a knowledgeable ranking decision? The whole thing seems ridiculous.
Not sure your point? RPI has nothing to do with coaches rank. Coaches rank is one of the three criteria for qualification spots to conference tournies (along with RPI and win%). It also part of seeding matrix at nationals. So it’s the farthest thing from pointless.

I tend to just look at PSU guys, and IMO, the coaches got it right at 125. Both Flo and Intermat have LL behind Ventresca (which I don’t agree with), the coaches have LL ahead of him.
 
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Joking aside, we’ve seen this apparently criminal under-ranking of a PSU guy who is clearly #1 before, and my first suspect is always . . . Cael.

We know him to be a master motivator, and a bit of a jokester. I can almost literally feel the smirk when the computer mouse goes ‘click’.
 
Jeez, that’s not how I would have handled the safety of my wrestler. It’s like those coaches never saw or even heard of Firestarter.
I mean, it's not completely unreasonable to put Keck at 1. He is the defending champ at that actual weight class (and the all star classic doesn't count). 184 is one of those weights where there are two people who absolutely deserve to be #1.
 
Not sure your point? RPI has nothing to do with coaches rank. Coaches rank is one of the three criteria for qualification spots to conference tournies (along with RPI and win%). It also part of seeding matrix at nationals. So it’s the farthest thing from pointless.

I tend to just look at PSU guys, and IMO, the coaches got it right at 125. Both Flo and Intermat have LL behind Ventresca (which I don’t agree with), the coaches have LL ahead of him.
I should have been more clear. The coaches rankings require a specific number of matches in order to be ranked
 
I mean, it's not completely unreasonable to put Keck at 1. He is the defending champ at that actual weight class (and the all star classic doesn't count). 184 is one of those weights where there are two people who absolutely deserve to be #1.
Well, I disagree. Defending champ at the weight doesn’t mean much to me in this scenario. Like Bo before him, Carter is #1 at whatever weight he chooses to compete, until someone actually beats him.

And when any sort of ranking is based on opinion, the All Star absolutely counts. Always has.
 
Anybody who put Keckeisen #1 is obviously wrong. That's why they do these rankings by aggregate. The wisdom of the crowd prevails.

These rankings are not worth stressing about. It happens every year. The only coaches ranking that matters is the final one. The first one is usually the worst because so many good guys aren't even eligible to be ranked yet.
 
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Does anyone really think that given their time constraints, that the coaches can do the research necessary to make a knowledgeable ranking decision? The whole thing seems ridiculous.
No, because most coaches don't actually take the time to vote in this poll. This is a task that is almost certainly designated to a graduate assistant who is given a list of eligible wrestlers, and then this person scours Intermat, Flo, etc to make a semi-educated guess on how he or she feels the coach would vote.
 
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No, because most coaches don't actually take the time to vote in this poll. This is a task that is almost certainly designated to a graduate assistant who is given a list of eligible wrestlers, and then this person scours Intermat, Flo, etc to make a semi-educated guess on how he or she feels the coach would vote.
That is probably mostly how it happens. But there are also enough differences at every weight in the 25-33 range that take the form of a wrestler who is in the coaches poll but not in the Intermat poll (for example) that there is still a fair amount of homerism too.
 
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Not sure how Henson is in there at 149. Hasn’t wrestled since 12/19. Unless these were due in prior to 1/19 and just posted today
Ditto for Reece Witcraft.

The portal for coaches to enter starters closed on 1/19, 31 days after his last match. But you can see a scenario where they put their starters in a day, or a few days, earlier than that, and at the time of entry he met the criteria.
 
Well, I disagree. Defending champ at the weight doesn’t mean much to me in this scenario. Like Bo before him, Carter is #1 at whatever weight he chooses to compete, until someone actually beats him.

And when any sort of ranking is based on opinion, the All Star absolutely counts. Always has.
Anybody who put Keckeisen #1 is obviously wrong. That's why they do these rankings by aggregate. The wisdom of the crowd prevails.

These rankings are not worth stressing about. It happens every year. The only coaches ranking that matters is the final one. The first one is usually the worst because so many good guys aren't even eligible to be ranked yet.
I mean, I don't disagree with you guys. If I were a coach, I would absolutely have Carter #1. I'm just saying, I can see how others would defer to the actual defending champ at the weight without it being some convoluted conspiracy.
 
Missing from the poll due to the 8 match minimum:

Carson Kharchla Intermat #6 at 174
Andrew Alirez #2 at 141
Dylan Cedeno #20 at 141
Ryan Crookham #1 at 133
Gable Steveson #1 at 285

Only Alirez, Crookham, and Steveson have the potential to impact PSU wrestlers when/if they enter the next poll.
 
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