Fixing Inj. Def's

[El-Jefe]

If the guy wants to concede the match without going through a bunch of fakery, let him. He deserves the L, does indeed take the L, and has to live with it. The winner moves on risk-free. We miss 1 desired match in the early going, BFD.

I’d be way more bothered if a guy faked a match, giving the appearance of throwing it. Then we’re left to suspect the worst (shenanigans that actually do cause irreparable harm to the sport).

 

[NittanyChris]

I don't have THE answer. That said to bury one's head in the sand as if absolutely nothing is wrong with the current system is defeatist and short sighted.

There are definitely tweaks to the system that would improve the current situation and decrease unethical moves by coaches that damage the integrity of the sport.

 

[Sleepylion]

But is that fair to his next opponent they may have lost an OT dogfight?

If a wrestler lays on his back at the opening whistle, is that fair to his next opponent? or the integrity of the sport in general for that matter?

Also, not in reply to you but another poster in Starocci last year. I think if he had to wrestle two matches he would have. So, in a sense his defaults were gaming the system. If the rules were different the actions would have been different.

I do not think anything needs to be changed. This situation with the bad optics had happened maybe 2 times with one coach being the common denomination. Changing the rule for that one coach is not worth it.

 

[ss7]

I don't have THE answer. That said to bury one's head in the sand as if absolutely nothing is wrong with the current system is defeatist and short sighted.

There are definitely tweaks to the system that would improve the current situation and decrease unethical moves by coaches that damage the integrity of the sport.

People aren't burying their heads in sand just because they disagree with you that a new rule is needed to fix a thing 1 coach has done twice in 10 years (and I don't know of any instances before that).

 

[Cowbell Man]

Ed Ruth doesn't make the podium in his freshman year with that rule. He injury defaulted in the NCAA quarters.

Reasonable?

I’m in the I don’t care camp. I don’t want to screw with a mechanism that works for actually injured wrestlers.

It you want to injury default out, I consider that your problem and sends a goofy message. The book on Ryan is he underachieves. This could be a symptom.

 

[slushhead]

But is that fair to his next opponent they may have lost an OT dogfight?

I can’t get into the what-if game for his next opponent (or that of the guy he conceded to) in a philosophical discussion about fairness.

Guy gets abused and humiliated by Mesenbrink — is it fair to him that his next opponent didn’t have to go through a similar ordeal? Maybe, maybe not.

Let the guy quit, if he thinks that’s the right thing to do. This happens how often? It affects my day exactly zero. Conversely, it provides us knuckleheads with years and years of joke-making material.

 

[NittanyChris]

People aren't burying their heads in sand just because they disagree with you that a new rule is needed to fix a thing 1 coach has done twice in 10 years (and I don't know of any instances before that).

Twice in ten years? That's ludicrous. I'll agree to disagree here.

 

[mcpat]

I think you should be forced to lay on your back at the opening whistle with your opponent standing over you, one foot on your chest, flexing in victory.

 

[Roar More]

This is a rare occurrence. Generally speaking, I am against letting the tail wag the dog by generating a rule to fit a rarely occurring event.

 

[mcpat]

It’s not a rare occurrence. They literally just changed the rule because it was happening so often to what we see today. Injury Default instead of MFF. Do people forget all the controversy about it over the years already?

 

[ss7]

Twice in ten years? That's ludicrous. I'll agree to disagree here.

When else have coaches purposely had their guy forfeit into the consis and then keep wrestling? The two times I can think of are Tom Ryan with Jake and Paddy.

 

[Nitlion1986]

If the guy wants to concede the match without going through a bunch of fakery, let him. He deserves the L, does indeed take the L, and has to live with it. The winner moves on risk-free. We miss 1 desired match in the early going, BFD.

I’d be way more bothered if a guy faked a match, giving the appearance of throwing it. Then we’re left to suspect the worst (shenanigans that actually do cause irreparable harm to the sport).

Shenanigans are reserved for the Big12 weigh-ins. A wordsmith of your caliber needs a different go to. Dresser used it first this weekend.

 

[El-Jefe]

Shenanigans are reserved for the Big12 weigh-ins. A wordsmith of your caliber needs a different go to. Dresser used it first this weekend.

Ryanisms?

 

[slushhead]

Shenanigans are reserved for the Big12 weigh-ins. A wordsmith of your caliber needs a different go to. Dresser used it first this weekend.

Sorry man, I wasn’t keeping up with the news. Looks like Jefe has it covered!

 

[El-Jefe]

But is that fair to his next opponent they may have lost an OT dogfight?

What if they get into an OT catfight?

 

[LorenzoFan]

BTW, lol at the mods creating a new thread for this topic and giving it the wrong title.

EDIT: mods corrected the title. It was "Fixing MFFs," which don't exist at conference tournaments.

Sure they do. If a wrestler gets hurt in a match and can't get to mat for the next match its a FFT. You have had to taken the mat to lose by default.

 

[El-Jefe]

Sure they do. If a wrestler gets hurt in a match and can't get to mat for the next match its a FFT. You have had to taken the mat to lose by default.

Not in the context we're discussing here. All of the objectionable matches are 0:01 or 0:02 INJ. None are MFF.

 

[LorenzoFan]

Not in the context we're discussing here. All of the objectionable matches are 0:01 or 0:02 INJ. None are MFF.

No context in your post so I responded accordingly

 

[tullfan68]

(Mod - own thread)


There has not been nearly enough talk on here about Tom Ryan committing the most blatant example of ducking ever! Gallagher medical fofeits against Mitchell but miraculously is well enough to wrestle just hours later vs Sparks?!?! While it's comical that he lost to Sparks, that absolutely does not absolve Ryan of his disgusting lack of sportsmanship. If NCAA wrestling ever has serious thoughts of "growing the sport" this crap should be penalized and penalized harshly. What does the all-knowing board think?

his kid should have been DQ since he was healthy and didn't take the mat!