FL HS coach says tOSU is forcing a kid off the team (an early enrollee)

[Obliviax]

and this is how it's done, fellas:


"It's ridiculous," John Wilkinson told Northeast Ohio Media Group on Wednesday. "It's totally wrong to do this to an 18-year-old kid who should be in high school, who you talked into coming up there early.
"You can't treat people this way."
Wilkinson is the coach at Cocoa High School in Florida, a talent hotbed that includes Ohio State 2017 oral commitment Bruce Judson, a top-20 player in his class; and Chauncey Gardner, a cornerback in the 2016 class who recently committed to Florida but continues to be pursued by the Buckeyes.
Asked if the treatment of Dean could affect his view of Ohio State in the future, Wilkinson said, "No doubt about that."
....
But he said the only option at Ohio State was a medical hardship to end Dean's playing career but remain on scholarship. In that case, the scholarship does not count against the team's scholarship limit of 85.

This post was edited on 4/8 3:38 PM by Obliviax

 

[PrinceIgor]

Urban steals a page from Saban's book.

Recruit has been committed for 18 months, been on campus for three, and says he's ready to play.

Urb says he's gotta move on.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/04/jamel_dean_ohio_state_roster.html

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Meyer isn't bullsh*****g around.*

nfm

 

[tboyer]

I have trouble seeing the problem.

Presumably the kid's knee is no longer going to permit him to play cornerback at Ohio State's level. They're honoring the financial commitment, he still gets a 4 year ride, right? But since he's not playing football he doesn't count against the 85. That seems fair to me.

 

[Obliviax]

Dr. James Andrews, prominent NFL Dr., disagrees

its in the article. Plus, the kid was hurt before. finally, says tOSU convinced him to leave HS early to enroll. Now, he can't play without sitting out a year and tOSU has kept him off of a competitor's roster.

This post was edited on 4/8 3:48 PM by Obliviax

 

[psu00]

3.....2......1.....until bucknuts are here telling us it's not true and that Urban doesn't oversign and force kids out. You remember- like they accused him of doing while he was coach at Florida.

 

[bmw199]

Yea where is the Cartel on this one

I thought protecting student athletes was most important?

 

[cjrugger]

Very glad this scumbag isn't coaching here*

psu

 

[sluggo72]

on one hand the student athlete is being protected, he has his full ride,

and education paid for. On the other hand, he has to give up playing. tough choices, right now he's not medically cleared to play. I wonder why OSU let him enroll early if that was the case? ( I guess it doesnt really matter, they still would be over the limit) . Maybe they thought his rehab would go better at OSU.

If he is put on medical, it just means he cant play at OSU, but he could get a scholarship elsewhere and play. The only question I have is, does he have to sit a year??

 

[Obliviax]

Re: on one hand the student athlete is being protected, he has his full ride,

Note Dr. James Andrews disagreestOSU signed 27 players, that is after this article wonders how he is going to make room for the 22 committed back in November (they signed 27). By signing him, they kept him off of another team's rosterNo problem not playing a kid that's hurt, but at other schools, he count against the 85 total limit of 'shipsCoach is no stranger to big time college football recruiting, as the article notes, so to call out tOSU tells you all you need to knowgoogle Urban Meyer over signing Florida and read up on it....typicall SEC & Meyer practice.

 

[burghBuck]

Re: Who was the competitor that OSU was trying to keep him away from?


His list of scholarship offers didn't include any other Big Ten teams, but I assume you have some better info on that. This may stink and his coach may have a point, but I always am a bit suspicious when a high school coach starts ranting about something like this. Maybe Dr. Andrews is right (but I'm not sure why you think OSU's doctors would care about his opinion) and the kid will move on to another program and have a great college and NFL career. And if OSU screwed him, then I assume that will have consequences in the future. Heck, Franklin can use this as ammo against OSU in recruiting, so there's even a silver lining for you Obli!

 

[Mister Magoo]

Urbz would have Ben Kline be-headed if he was cleared to play.

I'm so glad we give kids like Kline a chance to realize their dreams. Use situations like this as ammo when recruiting head to head against this f'n scumbag.

This post was edited on 4/8 4:31 PM by Mister Magoo

 

[sluggo72]

James Andrews agrees he's not ready right now, but 'should'

be good to go after more rehab...'Wilkinson said Andrews' opinion was that Dean needed continued rehab on his knee and should be ready to resume full activities this summer. Meanwhile, Dean felt he was ready to contribute in some way this spring, and Wilkinson said he wasn't allowed to do that. ( we dont know what the MD speak for 'full activities', is that running and cutting, but no contact? we dont know)

We dont know if UM discussed this with the kid ahead of time, UM might have said , 'with your injury you might need more time, and if you do fine, either go somewhere else, or come next year' the kid could have countered, 'no coach you're wrong I am good to go now'. Only to find out he's not.

I am no UM defender (although it sounds like it here) but UM got stuck between a rock and a hard place. IIRC he doesnt have to finalize his 85 roster until like the first game, or when school starts, so it may work out for both of them. We'll see.

 

[Obliviax]

Re: Who was the competitor that OSU was trying to keep him away from?

he committed very early on, that's one of the reasons why he didn't have as many 'ships. He was a very vocal kid who recruited other kids to come to tOSU.

He was also a four star kid with offers from Florida and Miami. So your comment doesn't hold water.

Here are some facts for you...tOSU has signed 99 kids in the last four years...this against a limit of 85. here is an article in the CLE paper wondering how Urbs would fit them all under the cap, BACK WHEN THEY HAD 22 COMMITTED IN NOVEMBER. Again, he then signed 27.

 

[Obliviax]

nope.

by offering the classification, keeping him on ship but NOT counting against the 85 total, he is ending the kid's career at tOSU. If not, schools would take any kid with an ear ache who wasn't starting and ship him off to this kind of temporary football purgatory until he was needed down the line. its not like the minor leagues in baseball.

 

[bjf1984]

And yet, they have room for Eric Glover Williams.


Anyway...another situation that could be avoided in 5 minutes if the person running the NCAA, the overly compensated gym teachers, and the University presidents were not conflicted, money whores.

But I'm certainly not going to lay that all out again.

 

[sluggo72]

I know if he goes on medical,he's done at OSU for FB, but he still gets

his education. Or he can go somewhere else. I doubt UM offered this kid, who he knew was injuried, a scholarship, just to keep him off the market, because really what is the 'market' for an injuried player??

 

[RestonChester]

Pro sports are a cut throat business. OSU is doing what is best for them

D-1A football is cut throat business. The teams need to win to continue generating the revenue. You have to expect that OSU will be just like just about every other pro sports team and terminate low performers. Pro sports is a cut throat business, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

 

[Southeastern PA Buck]

Success with Dishonor - welcome to 0$u football

They treat kids like race horses. PSU would never mistreat kids like this.

 

[sprout69]

You mean the 87...they oversigned. Hmmm...*

*

 

[burghBuck]

Re: Who was the competitor that OSU was trying to keep him away from?

What was my comment? You said they did this to keep him from a competitor program, so I assumed it was a Big Ten team. I know who he is and that he was an early verbal and enrollee. Seems strange that OSU would target an otherwise healthy and potentially productive 4-star player from a prominent Florida school and kick him to the curb in the spring to manage scholarship numbers. As I said, if they screw the kid, then I would expect that will have consequences...at that high school certainly and I would expect that it might create a bad atmosphere among some of the other recruits who may have been encouraged to go to OSU by Dean. It's also great ammunition for other coaches to recruit against Meyer, so the cards seem to be stacked against him. Why do bad things always happen to that guy?!?

Being somewhat facetious there, but we will see what develops. I also hope the best for Dean. The article wasn't clear (or maybe I missed it) whether Dean has actually signed the waiver yet. If he does and ends up going off to have a productive career elsewhere, then OSU clearly will have made a huge mistake and ended up screwing themselves royally.

 

[Obliviax]

Re: Who was the competitor that OSU was trying to keep him away from?


regardless of all of that
its cheatingit is very problematic for the player, if not catastrophic for a young kidtOSU signed 27 kids...27! They projected 20. We know tOSU gets away with stuff all the time (like holding [only two all year], mysterious replay equipment not working at key times, and extra time on the play clock, phantom called timeouts, etc.) so why should we expect tOSU to pay for this indiscretion?

Finally, it is not likely but wouldn't be shocking for tOSU to play Miami or FL at some point in the next five years. And those are just offers we know about.

 

[Dr. Evel]

Sad, but I just can't believe he has a teammate named Chauncey Gardner

I had thought the BT had rules against over-signing. Maybe only for 12 of the teams...

 

[SRATH]

The amazing thing is the number of folks who commented to fail to


see this is anything but business as usual. You don't bring a kid in early who you know is hurt then not give him time to heal before you say his injury is enough to end his playing career. The young man signed on to OSU to play football and get an education, yet they are yanking the football away from him before he ever gets started......because OSU oversignes. That is code for cheating. OSU cheats. OSU cheats. It might be ok by NCAA standards, but we all know they basically have no standards as long as the money is rolling in. NCAA = sports whores.

It would be a different deal if a kid was in the program and constantly injured. Get your degree and move on.

 

[SRATH]

They knew he was hurt. They shouldn't have brought him in.


He signed with OSU expecting and education and football. After 3 months on campus they are saying your football days are over???

This is worse than one and done. It is one semester and done.

 

[burghBuck]

Re: Who was the competitor that OSU was trying to keep him away from?

I don't understand how it's cheating, even if its true that this is just an exercise of callous scholarship management. Maybe if you could establish that this was a case of trying to interfere with him going to another program, but arguing that they were trying to keep him from Florida or Miami because of the chance that OSU would play them in a bowl game or something doesn't make sense.

I agree this would be devastating and painful news to a young kid. I'm sure he wants to go play and believes he can do it. As much as it might expose OSU to greater criticism, I hope they are wrong and Dean goes on to have great success.

I think there is a qualitative difference between your OSU officiating complaints and this. If they are screwing this kid out of sheer spite, it should be easy to use that against them in recruiting and Franklin will drink Meyer's milkshake on the recruiting trail!! By contrast, I suppose the referee conspiracy theories would be a feather in Meyer's cap for recruiting, especially offensive linemen..."come to OSU and you will never get a holding penalty called against you...even in a national championship game!! I guaraaaantee it!!"

 

[Cosmos]

Don't know why you're upset

This is business as usual in Amerika. The new standard. Adapt or be gone.

 

[Obliviax]

Are you serious or is tOSU math that bad?

I posted earlier, an article from Ohio's largest paper discussion how tOSU would struggle to get under the 85 total limit back in November when they expected tOSU to take only 22. If they keep this kid, they'd have to drop somebody else. IIRC, one of their last recruits was a RB who was close to going to Michigan (and they withheld the fact his position coach at tOSU was committed to go elsewhere). Sooner or later, you are limited to the number of players you can put on 'ship unless you unfairly chase them off.

In all probability, they liked the kid but didn't know they'd have so many big time kids wanting to go to tOSU until they won the MNC and couldn't cut kids they'd already committed to. In the example above, they'd have to keep the DB and cut the unaccepted offer from the kid, the RB, who surely would have gone to Michigan.

It would be like the Steelers given unlimited draft picks but only being able to keep 7 on the roster. All of the risk of evaluation is gone. You simply take a ton of players and throw out what you don't want after you get them in camp.

Its an unfair advantage over schools that see that this is disingenuous, at best, and devastating for a kid who commits only to be told there is no room for him because his knee hurts, his head is too big, they don't like his family, or his show size is too small.

 

[Blueblood4eva]

Herein lies the legacy of the glutton, "dirty urbie". If he is up 30pts, he wants up 45pts. If he is allowed 20 ships he takes 27. If he is about to be embarrassed, he quits for medical reasons. If newcomer Bill O'Brien wins coach of the year he hangs 60 pts on him the next year. It is all about Urbie and his enormous ego. Can't wait for this pig to get slaughtered and I hope they grease the pot with Delany!

 

[thecoolestfish]

Are you REALLY this thick??

Your douche bag couldn't-care-less-about-the-kids coach oversigned, and now needs to make cuts. This kid, with his apparent knee injury, is the perfect candidate to get screwed over by your douche bag couldn't-care-less-about-the-kids coach coach. Just like Amani Reeves and his "concussions."

 

[RestonChester]

Same as Eagles signing a player and then cutting him before training camp

It is not cheating if the rules allow it.

The NFL and NCAA are big business and their primary purpose is to generate revenue.

 

[thecoolestfish]

I love ya sluggo, but there really is no defending this...

...You're one of the smarter and more reasonable posters on here, and you're trying but unable. That should tell you all you need to know.

 

[sluggo72]

Fish thanks. But we don't know both sides of the conversation #1 and

#2 at least they will put him medical which gives him 4 yrs. yes he can't play but at least he gets an education. They could have just run him off. Put him back on the field and gotten really hurt. I m no OSU fan um defender but things happen To me both sides are between a rock and a hard place. Even if they don't over sign they would have the same situation next year.
Back to happy hour!!!

 

[dwiz]

I don't see how anyone could disagree with any of this

It's college sports now, in football and mens basketball. You cheat because the NCAA can't/won't punish oversigning, fake classes, athlete's getting in trouble, etc. It's worth the risk, because there virtually is none, but the upside is fantastic.

 

[psu00]

Re: Don't know why you're upset

Not really. This is business as usual in the SEC.......now brought to the big ten conference by our "friends" from Ohio. The same people who were so outspoken against it while Saint Urbie was at Florida.....and are now totally ok with it when he's their coach.

 

[burghBuck]

Re: I understand they have to get down to 85 before the season starts...

As I said before, I think it's strange that they would be doing this to a 4-star kid in the spring if it's purely for managing scholarships. My understanding is there are other ways to lower your count, like greyshirts. And Weber (the RB you mentioned) verbally committed in December. There was some last minute wrangling with Michigan, but Weber reaffirmed by signing with the Buckeyes. There were a number of other last minute signees, and lots of questions about how the numbers would be resolved.

I can see your argument on the numbers if OSU was taking too many recruits and then basically cutting them for a hangnail. I understand that Dean has second opinions, but he clearly has been dealing with a significant injury. If OSU is kicking a player off the team because they don't like the cut of his jib, that could see that raising a compliance issue and certainly should not sit well with prospective recruits and it would come back to bite OSU.

 

[dwiz]

Recruits don't care about this stuff, it happens every year at

Florida (under Urban), at Alamaba (and it's high profile every year), O$U now, and most of the SEC teams. Look at Miss and Ole Miss. Going from atrocious to #1 and #2, albeit for a week, then look at how many kids they signed and booted each year. Granted, most of those kids don't qualify academically and don't deserve to be in college, but they also don't deserve to be run off. I think if you asked each "student athlete" in the SEC what was the last book they read, they'd react like Sarah Palin when asked what magazines she liked and she couldn't name a single magazine printed in the world.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Coaches rewarding themselves for their own failures in recruiting....

... the the NCAA sits on it's hands. What would you expect from the Emmert (SEC) NCAA. Urby is a whore.....I knew that 6 years ago.... where were ya-all?

 

[sluggo72]

Not even close to the same**

J

 

[Blueblood4eva]

Re: Recruits don't care about this stuff, it happens every year at

Sarah Palin? Obama doesn't know if he can read, because those records are sealed, besides not knowing what a Nittany was when he visited.