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Florida Fires Dan Mullen
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If BOB decides to go the college head coach route again (I still see him as an NFL guy rehabbing his reputation at Bama), then I would see USC as a better fit for him, but who knows.
How can you screw up so badly at a good school in a great state for high school football? I wonder where Mullen winds up and who replaces him at FL? If they can get a HC who recruits well, they won't stay down.
Florida will also be competing with at least two other top shelf programs ( LSU and USC) for a hire.
Who knows what Texas will do after the sh*t show their season has become. Money is no object at Texas.
Can’t believe they canned him. He was 10-3 in 2018, 11-2 2019 and 8-5 when dealing with the Covid year. He’s known as a pretty good recruiter too. Had 20-30 players sick against S Carolina 2 weeks ago.
Florida has become a dumpster fire.
Once proud Stanford is deep in the shitter.
USC...LSU...Texas...Nebraska...the list goes on...mighty programs brought down hard and now reeling...desperate for answers.
Meanwhile, the latest coaching wunderkind, Mel Tucker, got taken to the woodshed yesterday. I mean, 49-0 at halftime! Seriously? Add in Oregon with a blow-out loss. The Pac-12 remains irrelevant.
My purpose in reciting this litany of misery is to make us feel good by comparison...
Yes, but look at the elite, never changes. Bama, Georgia, O$U and Okie. I know it is questionable that Okie is really elite but they are in playoff contention. I really hope scUM does not get in the playoff. We can't have them enjoying big time success. Franklin will never catch them then. We also need them losing the Rose Bowl. Where is Bo Schmuckbechler when you need him.Florida has become a dumpster fire.
Once proud Stanford is deep in the shitter.
USC...LSU...Texas...Nebraska...the list goes on...mighty programs brought down hard and now reeling...desperate for answers.
Meanwhile, the latest coaching wunderkind, Mel Tucker, got taken to the woodshed yesterday. I mean, 49-0 at halftime! Seriously? Add in Oregon with a blow-out loss. The Pac-12 remains irrelevant.
My purpose in reciting this litany of misery is to make us feel good by comparison...
I admit, 5-6 at Florida is a dumpster fire. On the flip side, He did much better than his 2 predecessors (Muschamp and McElwaine). Unfortunately at UF, you get measured by Spurrier and Meyer-type success. That will likely be impossible to replicate by whoever takes that job.
As for “how can you screw up so badly in a state like Florida?”
Look how far Miami and FSU have fallen in recent years while playing in a MUCH EASIER league than Florida is in.
He won’t be out of a job long if he wants to work next year.
As for “how can you screw up so badly in a state like Florida?”
Look how far Miami and FSU have fallen in recent years while playing in a MUCH EASIER league than Florida is in.
He won’t be out of a job long if he wants to work next year.
Agreed. He has had a very good 10 year run. Impatience personified.
Wouldn’t worry about him= probably made 50 million plus the remaining amount on his contract. Nuts.
agreed.Put him in QB city. SEC is too physical long the lines for his recruiting style.
Mullen would be a great hire for Va. Tech.
Interesting that though residing in one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in college football, all 3 major programs UF, da U, FSU are in poor shape. Shows you got to coach those recruits not just collect them.
The good recruiter statement, I thought that too. After all, he recruited pretty well at MSU, better than they typically do and had them #1 for a brief stint. But an article I just read when he was canned said he had a disdain for recruiting and was not good at it? I know he made some comments about recruiting waits until after the season before the UGA game, and that seemed to draw some interest. He does promise recruits that they get to French kiss his wife before games (check the video), so one would have thought that would help.
Well that’s just weird. I get that guys hate recruiting. Seems awful actually but man that’s a key to that job. We have good recruiting but not great but it seems like Franklin enjoys it at least
I think Bill is a great offensive coach, but he doesn’t value the defensive side of the ball. In many respects, I compare him to Charlie Weis in that regard.
His first year at PSU, the defense was stout because of the returning talent that was on hand. The 2nd year, with Butler, not so much.
Remember he was one of the 'hot' prospects to replace Joe...his 'demands' were posted on this board, not sure how accurate. It seems being an in-demand coach has as much to do about your negotiating skills that what you are really being hired for....be interesting where he ends up/how much of a backward step he takes...in any case, he can still live off the compensation for his last 2 gigs....Miss State has become quite the rewarding stepping stone.
Yeah, I think you're right, there was some more to this. I don't think the fans and administrators loved the talk about not recruiting during the season. I don't think it was smart of him after the Stamford game to say "I'm never not going to celebrate or speak negative after a win" his defense set all kinds of record in futility against a basic D2 school. The stuff with his wife is very weird too honestly. No shame in it, he just might be a better fit at a smaller program or a developing one, that stuff does'nt pass mustard at place with the resources Florida brings to the table.
Okie isn't questionable, its Georgia. Georgia being one of the elites of the playoff era is a media creation. They're obviously quite good this year but they have one playoff appearance and the SEC has tilted things in their favor quite a bit. Looking back.
One playoff appearance (didn't play LSU or Alabama).
0 wins against Alabama and 0 wins against LSU.
Since 2014 they've played Bama twice in the regular season (41-24 and 38-10 losses), LSU once (36-16 loss).
Georgia is what Penn State or Michigan would be if they played in the Big Ten West with 8 conference games instead of 9 and almost never played Ohio State in the regular season.
Sanctions started hitting year 2. We had one or two walkons getting play time in the secondary year 2. BOB actually had a couple nice defensive recruits coming in with his recruiting class before he left. He was also trying to change the style from a read react to a more attacking style. He kept Johnson and Vandy on the the staff, the top two defensive asst. under Joe.
This year they are elite and they had Bama on the ropes in '17 for the NC. Fair point that they have not been as consistent in getting to the playoffs versus an Okie but look at the competition in the two conferences over the past 8 years. This year they would have throttled LSU and we will see how they do vs Bama.
Nevertheless, the bigger point here is despite blueblood programs like Texas, Florida, Nebraska. U$C even Washington really struggling the same old, same old stays the same at the top (I'm looking at you Bama and O$U). I do wonder if Georgia can sustain this excellence after this year and also wonder if Clemson will come back into their usual playoff spot.
On the ropes doesn't count for anything we had OSU on the ropes in 17 and 18 and no one here gives Franklin an ounce of credit for that.
Overall competition in the conference doesn't matter when you only play 8 conference games and you play in the weaker division. Fact of the matter is the only season they've made the playoffs is a season they didn't have to face Alabama until the national title. They're going to make it this year but it has nothing to do with the competition they've played. Assuming Arkansas drops out of the CFP rankings after last weekend, Georgia will have played 0 currently ranked teams. If they don't drop out, UGA's best win is #25. If they lose to Bama and still get in, they'll have fewer quality wins than Cincinnati.
If we hadn't played OSU in 2017, 2018 or 2019 or Michigan in 2016 we'd likely have at least one appearance as well. That's basically the hand UGA gets dealt every season. Credit to the SEC because they know how to put their programs in advantageous positions including the partnership with ESPN
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Looking at this list, it appears that UGA and Bama rarely play against each other during the regular season, I would assume due to Division matchups and Bama's protected rivalry with Tennessee.
With OU and Texas joining, the SEC will have to reshuffle. Assuming they stay geographical, they could move Missouri to the West, along with OU and Texas and move Bama and Auburn to the East.
They play twice every 15 years or so. The SEC has played the scheduling game to perfection and its schools have reaped the rewards.
The 8 game schedule is a huge advantage to the SEC and just another way the Big Ten hamstrings itself. There are two huge benefits. The top teams from each division very very rarely play each other and once the season is done half the conference avoids an extra loss, in a system where the ultimate goal is to have the fewest number of losses possible, resulting in more ranked teams and more perceived strength up and down the conference.
Trading cross divisional games for Chattanoogas changes the narrative over time.
Eliminating 7 cross divisional games from this years big ten schedule (with bias):
-We're ranked right now if we play "Chattanooga" instead of Iowa
-MSU is a 1 loss team, top ten team with an outside shot at the CFP if they play "Chattanooga" instead of Purdue
-Wisconsin is a more highly ranked 2 loss team if they play "Chattanooga" instead of Michigan
-Rutgers is bowl eligible if they play "Chattanooga" instead of Northwestern
-Maryland is bowl eligible if they play "Chattanooga" instead of Minnesota
-Illinois is playing for bowl eligibility if you substitute Chattanooga for
-Purdue is ranked if they play Chattanooga instead of OSU
Just a few historical adjustments:
-2019 Penn State maaaybe has an outside shot at the CFP if dont play Minnesota, or they finish 12-1 and ranked in the top 4 to end the season
-2018 OSU makes the playoff if they dont play Purdue
-2017 OSU makes the playoff if they dont play Iowa
Kirby Smart is 11-6 against top-10 teams since he took over in 2016.
In that same timeframe, James Franklin is 2-10 against top-10 teams. Jim Harbaugh is also 2-10 against the top-10.
Georgia hasn't gotten over the Bama hurdle (yet), but they have won plenty of big games. Big Ten East or West, neither PSU nor Michigan are winning big games. And us going to the Big Ten West wouldn't magically make us recruit at UGA's level.......which is why they're playing at the level they're playing.
They're not in the Bama/Clemson/OSU tier yet. But they're darn close.
You missed the point regarding divisions, it leads to an easier regular season, setting you up for the post season.
Of the 11 wins 4 were post season so not impacted by division. Of the 7 regular season wins against top 10 teams only 2 finished in the top 10.
So 2 of his regular season top ten wins were against teams that finished in the top 10. Franklin has 1.
2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021 are all seasons where none of his regular season wins were against teams that finished in the top 10 because his regular season schedules are easier thanks to his division. Out of those 4 seasons, includign his two most successful seasons, he played one regular season opponent that finished 10th or better and lost.
By comparison Franklin has played a team that finished in the top 5 every regular season but one and a top 10 team every season.
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Georgia is elite this year and should win the NC but we will see. Going all the way to the NC game and losing in OT is completely different than the meltdown that was PSU in '17 and '18. Speaking of Ohio State in '17, they get blown out by Oklahoma while Georgia beat Okie in the semis. They didn't even make the playoff meanwhile PSU blows it against them then loses to Sparty.
We can agree to disagree on this one but I ain't buying that UGA is just getting lucky playing an easy schedule. You make them out to be a Cincinnati. So back to the original point, at the very least I hope you can agree they are a strong program and have sustained that over the last few years versus falling into the depths of oblivion like Texas and Florida. They have gone to a NY6 bowl every year since 2017 with a record of 3-2.
Kirby Smart is not blowing games a la Franklin with MSU in '17 and '18, Minny in '19, a losing record in 2020 and then our wonderful Illinois game this year. Maybe he can show us something with a gritty win against Sparty on Saturday. Smart wins for the most part when he is supposed to, at least at a higher clip than James. And no I am not talking about losing to O$U, remove that and there are other skeletons in the closet.
So you're saying UGA would have gone to a ny6 every year since 17 if you added bama to the regular season every year? Doubt it. I'm saying UGA has taken advantage of virtually never playing the best team in their conference in the regular season, which is true. Smart is 0-4 against them and has only played them in the regular season once. It definitely is preferable to playing them every single year.
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The "big jobs" keep opening up...it could be a wild coaching carousel this off-season.
Well they played them in '20 and still went. They would have gone in '17 because they won the SEC championship avenging a loss to Auburn and will go this year. That leaves '18 and '19. If they lost to Bama in '18 then they would have been 10-2, then lose to them again in a close SEC championship game. I like their chances for a NY6 that year still. In '19 they would have been 10-2 again but a bad loss to South Carolina and a bad blowout to LSU so that is iffy. Nevertheless if you count this year they make a NY6 bowl 4 out 5 years and possibly all 5.
I really thought the biggest blunder of BOB as a PSU coach was firing Vanderlin, who I thought was a great LB coach. Our defense looked lost at times under Butler and I have to wonder if Vanderlin voiced the same concerns to BOB, which led to his ouster.
Texas and Florida should both be consistently respectable and they are not. We are frustrated at the prospect of 8 or 9 wins this year with close game losses but imagine being Texas or Florida underperforming in talent-rich high school football states.
I'll throw in FSU and Miami into your "Should be consistently respectable and they are not" list.
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