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Penn State football has won 4 Big Ten titles in 31 seasons. Did you expect Penn State to do better? Would Florida State fare better?

My recollection is that Urban was genuinely interested but backed out because of fear of pending sanctions.

Meyer was hired at OSU almost immediately after their season ended in late November. He probably had word by late October or November that Fickell wasn't going to make it and thus the job was his.

Joe announced his intent to retire on November 9, 2011. I think there's a good chance Meyer already had the OSU job lined up by that time.

I do think there's validity that Meyer saw the Penn State job as one he'd be interested in taking post-Joe, but the OSU job opening around the same time put an end to that.
 
Solution for what? I never said fire Franklin...hopefully he builds on what he's done. We're finally beating teams that we should consistently. Now he has to take it to the next level. If he can't we move on. There's no lock. Smart had never been a HC. It's the AD'S responsibility to find the next Smart.
He found him. JF
 
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He found him. JF
Quit going half-assed with your fantasy, why don't you just go all in and declare him the next Saban?

When is this sleeping wizard genius of a HC going to make an appearance? He has a bit of catching up to do.
 
He found him. JF

Yeah, James is no Kirby Smart. I think he's one of the best 15 coaches in the country, and there's no guarantee we'd find somebody better. I'm hardly a fire-Franklin guy. But Kirby Smart was a truly elite coordinator before getting the HC job. As long as he's at UGA, their defense will be elite.

James doesn't really bring that elite offense or defense to the table. He's a very good (but not elite) recruiter, and a very good CEO type. He has a good eye for coaching and player talent, and he's very personable and likable.

Is he ruthless like Kirby or Saban or Urban Meyer? No. Kirby is a force of personality that gets what he wants from the UGA administration. I don't see that with Franklin.

I'm glad we have him, but he's basically our Mark Richt or John Cooper. No shame in that. Both of those dudes were CFB hall of fame coaches.
 
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Yeah, James is no Kirby Smart. I think he's one of the best 15 coaches in the country, and there's no guarantee we'd find somebody better. I'm hardly a fire-Franklin guy. But Kirby Smart was a truly elite coordinator before getting the HC job. As long as he's at UGA, their defense will be elite.

James doesn't really bring that elite offense or defense to the table. He's a very good (but not elite) recruiter, and a very good CEO type. He has a good eye for coaching and player talent, and he's very personable and likable.

Is he ruthless like Kirby or Saban or Urban Meyer? No. Kirby is a force of personality that gets what he wants from the UGA administration. I don't see that with Franklin.

I'm glad we have him, but he's basically our Mark Richt or John Cooper. No shame in that. Both of those dudes were CFB hall of fame coaches.
Richt won 2 major bowl games in 18 years. Cooper won 3 major bowl games in 24 years. Franklin has already won 3 major bowl games in 13 seasons.
 
Now do division and conference championships. A better metric than 'big bowl' wins.
Richt won two conference titles as for division championships, they no longer exist. As for division titles, Ohio State and Michigan >>> Florida and Tennessee. How many division titles do Iowa and Wisconsin have in the Big West? Divsions are hardly equal, the Big Ten is proof of that as the Big 10 West never won a conference championship game. How often do you recall Florida and Tennessee being in the top five teams in the country at the same time like Ohio State and Michigan the past few years?

There's a reason NY6 bowl games are considered major bowl games. If you don't realize that, I can't help you.
 
Richt won two conference titles as for division championships, they no longer exist. As for division titles, Ohio State and Michigan >>> Florida and Tennessee. How many division titles do Iowa and Wisconsin have in the Big West? Divsions are hardly equal, the Big Ten is proof of that as the Big 10 West never won a conference championship game. How often do you recall Florida and Tennessee being in the top five teams in the country at the same time like Ohio State and Michigan the past few years?

There's a reason NY6 bowl games are considered major bowl games. If you don't realize that, I can't help you.
I realize things just fine. Richt and JF are similar to each other based on really good foundational builders, but unable to reach the playoffs, title game, etc. It is interesting the 3 coaches u used in your major bowl example all had the same reputation - unable to reach the top. At least from what I can tell on here, u are a staunch JF defender, which is fine. I like the guy in general. But, don't let that get in the way of realizing he has done less with more....just like the coaches u referred to.

JF is 0-4 vs the SEC in bowls, including getting trounced by the likes of Arkansas and Ole Miss. But, the B1G East is hard and JF is trying his best. That is the 'aura' I get from your posts.
 
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Richt won two conference titles as for division championships, they no longer exist. As for division titles, Ohio State and Michigan >>> Florida and Tennessee. How many division titles do Iowa and Wisconsin have in the Big West? Divsions are hardly equal, the Big Ten is proof of that as the Big 10 West never won a conference championship game. How often do you recall Florida and Tennessee being in the top five teams in the country at the same time like Ohio State and Michigan the past few years?

There's a reason NY6 bowl games are considered major bowl games. If you don't realize that, I can't help you.
To make money...they no longer mean anything as even Saban admitted on live TV when they were left out. Anyone trying to make a big deal out if NY6 games is saying we're not good enough. They just don't realize they're making the argument against themselves
 
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So far....Franklin is Richt. That can still change
Of course it can. It's really a matter of a few plays in each of these big games (as the cliche goes) that we need to start making. I just found the few posts above comical about JF having more big bowl wins as being some critical measure of his success. How about some 'big' regular season wins -- I'll take that.
 
Franklin will win nothing he is the Pat Chambers of basketball neither can coach period
I think Rhodes will be better than Chambers but I think you have to give him credit for bringing in some of the best players in recent PSU history.

Lamar Stevens
Tony Carr
Mike Watkins
John Harrar
Isaah Brockington
Seth Lundy

His team was 26-13 in 2018 and they won the NIT. His last PSU team temporarily reached the top 10 and finished 21-10, 11-9 in conference play. They were a solid NCAA pick until covid cancelled the tournament.
 
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Of course it can. It's really a matter of a few plays in each of these big games (as the cliche goes) that we need to start making. I just found the few posts above comical about JF having more big bowl wins as being some critical measure of his success. How about some 'big' regular season wins -- I'll take that.
What big bowl wins? Utah? That game was even until Utah's QB Cameron Rising got hurt. I don't mean this as a criticism of Franklin. I just don't think his 4-5 bowl record is anything special.
 
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What big bowl wins? Utah? That game was even until Utah's QB Cameron Rising got hurt. I don't mean this as a criticism of Franklin. I just don't think his 4-5 bowl record is anything special.
The Washington win in the Fiesta Bowl was a very good win. But, yeah when Rising went down, that helped big time. To your point, for the most part, we haven't exactly looked great in most of our bowl games.
 
Of course it can. It's really a matter of a few plays in each of these big games (as the cliche goes) that we need to start making. I just found the few posts above comical about JF having more big bowl wins as being some critical measure of his success. How about some 'big' regular season wins -- I'll take that.
Exactly. Let's examine this further. I think the 3 "big bowl wins" are:

1) 2017 Fiesta Bowl vs UDub
2) 2019 Cotton Bowl vs Memphis
3) 2023 Rose Bowl vs Utah

In the 2017 season we completely choked away the biggest game we had vs OSU then follow that up with a loss to Sparty at home. Our reward is to play UDub. Should have been in the playoff.

In 2019 we blow the game vs Minny and have our annual OSU loss. So we get to play Memphis.

In 2022 we get boat raced by Michigan and again find a way to lose vs OSU. This one at home.

Here is the common theme, the regular season is marred by critical losses to good teams of equal or better talent and teams of lesser talent who are good. Our two Michigan wins in '17 and '19 saved us and got us into a NY6 games. Also, I would say because of our brand name and ability to beat teams vastly inferior is another reason we get these "big" NY6 bowl invites and wins. Thst is not a JF compliment in case you are listening. In those three seasons the only meaningful wins were in 2017 and 2019 vs Michigan and that was at home versus Michigan teams that were not all that.

Can we actually win a "big" regular season game that catapults us into the playoffs or even gets us a top 8 seed in the new playoff system? Let's start with beating USC this year in the Coliseum.
 
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Exactly. Let's examine this further. I think the 3 "big bowl wins" are:

1) 2017 Fiesta Bowl vs UDub
2) 2019 Cotton Bowl vs Memphis
3) 2023 Rose Bowl vs Utah

In the 2017 season we completely choked away the biggest game we had vs OSU then follow that up with a loss to Sparty at home. Our reward is to play UDub. Should have been in the playoff.

In 2019 we blow the game vs Minny and have our annual OSU loss. So we get to play Memphis.

In 2022 we get boat raced by Michigan and again find a way to lose vs OSU. This one at home.

Here is the common theme, the regular season is marred by critical losses to good teams of equal or better talent and teams of lesser talent who are good. Our two Michigan wins in '17 and '19 saved us and got us into a NY6 games. Also, I would say because of our brand name and ability to beat teams vastly inferior is another reason we get these "big" NY6 bowl invites and wins. Thst is not a JF compliment in case you are listening. In those three seasons the only meaningful wins were in 2017 and 2019 vs Michigan and that was at home versus Michigan teams that were not all that.

Can we actually win a "big" regular season game that catapults us into the playoffs or even gets us a top 8 seed in the new playoff system? Let's start with beating USC this year in the Coliseum.
I've always wondered what would have played out if that bounce on the blocked FG in 2016 wasn't a perfect one for Haley. If instead we get the ball and have to drive the length of the field, who knows if we win at that point. And, with that season playing out differently had we lost, who knows what was going to happen next. I still think JF and many of his ardent supporters are living off that season, and while it was unbelievably fun and inspiring, it was also 8 years ago now. Long overdue for another pendulum swinging win/season for the program.
 
I realize things just fine. Richt and JF are similar to each other based on really good foundational builders, but unable to reach the playoffs, title game, etc. It is interesting the 3 coaches u used in your major bowl example all had the same reputation - unable to reach the top. At least from what I can tell on here, u are a staunch JF defender, which is fine. I like the guy in general. But, don't let that get in the way of realizing he has done less with more....just like the coaches u referred to.

JF is 0-4 vs the SEC in bowls, including getting trounced by the likes of Arkansas and Ole Miss. But, the B1G East is hard and JF is trying his best. That is the 'aura' I get from your posts.
Richt and Cooper just also happen to be in the College Football Hall of Fame. You don't get inducted by being average, above average or good. I get it, you're a Franklin hater. So be it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Ask Nebraska since Solich wasn't good enough, and he is also in the College Football Hall of Fame.
 
Richt and Cooper just also happen to be in the College Football Hall of Fame. You don't get inducted by being average, above average or good. I get it, you're a Franklin hater. So be it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Ask Nebraska since Solich wasn't good enough, and he is also in the College Football Hall of Fame.
LOL ok. I'm not a JF hater -- I'm a realist who can see the forest for the trees and not see everything in blue & white. Maybe you are an ultra fan boy then? You're right, the grass isn't always greener. That is still a dumb philosophy for an AD to hold when deciding to make a move -- or to never make a move. Being content and sitting still is one way to get left behind. I get the feeling Kraft doesn't think that way. You bring up Cooper -- he had a pair of 11 win regular seasons (something JF hasn't done once), and yet eventually got canned.

If you are using 'big bowl' wins as JF's telling metric of success at PSU, that is a hill you aren't going last long on.
 
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LOL ok. I'm not a JF hater -- I'm a realist who can see the forest for the trees and not see everything in blue & white. Maybe you are an ultra fan boy then? You're right, the grass isn't always greener. That is still a dumb philosophy for an AD to hold when deciding to make a move -- or to never make a move. Being content and sitting still is one way to get left behind. I get the feeling Kraft doesn't think that way.

If you are using 'big bowl' wins as JF's telling metric of success at PSU, that is a hill you aren't going last long on.
Franklin's in the TOP FIVE of active coaches winning percentage with 10 years or more as a head coach, but as a blind hater, you'll no doubt find fault with that.

Only FIVE head coaches in college football HISTORY have won the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton Bowl, but as a blind hater, you'll also no doubt find fault with that.

I will not see your reply.
 
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Franklin's in the TOP FIVE of active coaches winning percentage with 10 years or more as a head coach, but as a blind hater, you'll no doubt find fault with that.

Only FIVE head coaches in college football HISTORY have won the Rose, Fiesta and Cotton Bowl, but as a blind hater, you'll also no doubt find fault with that.

I will not see your reply.
Good glad you won't see it. You sound so myopic and someone who plays the hits and 'big talking points' to evaluate somebody. Typical fan boy stuff.
 
Exactly. Let's examine this further. I think the 3 "big bowl wins" are:

1) 2017 Fiesta Bowl vs UDub
2) 2019 Cotton Bowl vs Memphis
3) 2023 Rose Bowl vs Utah

In the 2017 season we completely choked away the biggest game we had vs OSU then follow that up with a loss to Sparty at home. Our reward is to play UDub. Should have been in the playoff.

In 2019 we blow the game vs Minny and have our annual OSU loss. So we get to play Memphis.

In 2022 we get boat raced by Michigan and again find a way to lose vs OSU. This one at home.

Here is the common theme, the regular season is marred by critical losses to good teams of equal or better talent and teams of lesser talent who are good. Our two Michigan wins in '17 and '19 saved us and got us into a NY6 games. Also, I would say because of our brand name and ability to beat teams vastly inferior is another reason we get these "big" NY6 bowl invites and wins. Thst is not a JF compliment in case you are listening. In those three seasons the only meaningful wins were in 2017 and 2019 vs Michigan and that was at home versus Michigan teams that were not all that.

Can we actually win a "big" regular season game that catapults us into the playoffs or even gets us a top 8 seed in the new playoff system? Let's start with beating USC this year in the Coliseum.
 
I think we need to separate Franklin's performance over the past 10 years to what we expect going forward.

Looking back Franklin has won 69% of his games at PSU which IMO is on the low side of where it should have been. If he wins just 4 more of those games his win % would have been 72% which is respectable, especially if a few of those would have been over OSU & UM.

The blown 4th qtr leads that led to back to back 1 pt losses to OSU were heartbreakers. Even last year UM only passed 7 times for 60 yards but our offense was unimaginative and Moore out foxed Franklin by using 7 OL on a few plays that resulted in two large runs that made the difference. PSU wasn't ready for that. I've always said that Franklin's shorts get tight in big games.

I fear things will only get worse going forward. In the era of NIL and open transfers the gap between the haves and the have nots is growing rapidly. PSU has more money than Rutgers, Illinois, Purdue, etc but they're well below what teams like OSU and Oregon have available. That might be a lot to overcome even if Franklin did a better job.
 
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4 in 31 years absolutely isn't getting it done.

We had our chances in 2017 and 2018 and choked on our own vomit in those 4th quarters against OSU. We haven't recovered since.

Ugh, that 2018 vs. OSU was dreadful.

Mind you, if Marcus Allen didn't block that kick in 2016, it would be 3 of 31.
 
I've always wondered what would have played out if that bounce on the blocked FG in 2016 wasn't a perfect one for Haley. If instead we get the ball and have to drive the length of the field, who knows if we win at that point. And, with that season playing out differently had we lost, who knows what was going to happen next. I still think JF and many of his ardent supporters are living off that season, and while it was unbelievably fun and inspiring, it was also 8 years ago now. Long overdue for another pendulum swinging win/season for the program.

Yeah, we talk a lot about "what if" as it relates to the 2017 and 2018 Ohio State losses. But "what if" Allen doesn't block that kick or Haley doesn't scoop it and score? Very possible we have an 8-4 type of season and no telling if Franklin is even coach much longer.

That's the beauty of the sport. And it's why you have to look at the aggregate and not just one or two isolated instances. The aggregate paints a picture of us not winning big games. The fact that people are pointing to Utah and Memphis as signature wins proves that point.

No better time than the present (well, the soon-to-be present 2024 season) to change the narrative.
 
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Yeah, we talk a lot about "what if" as it relates to the 2017 and 2018 Ohio State losses. But "what if" Allen doesn't block that kick or Haley doesn't scoop it and score? Very possible we have an 8-4 type of season and no telling if Franklin is even coach much longer.

That's the beauty of the sport. And it's why you have to look at the aggregate and not just one or two isolated instances. The aggregate paints a picture of us not winning big games. The fact that people are pointing to Utah and Memphis as signature wins proves that point.

No better time than the present (well, the soon-to-be present 2024 season) to change the narrative.
Franklin is a smooth political maneuverer. He talks an excellent game but does not really have the results to back it up and is essentially resting on one big win that has sustained his career. You know the type, they are "meeting champs" because they say the right things at the right times to impress people but the actual results are not nearly as impressive as the game they talk.

The 2016 season is interesting to look at. The bad. The good. The great then the bad again.

Who knows what would have happened if we don't get the perfect bounce and subsequent scoop and score TD. I would like to think we could have still driven the field for a TD carried by the raucous White Out crowd.

Let's back up in that season. What I think gets overlooked is that miserable loss to Pitt. That kept us out of the playoff. The 2nd loss doomed us and as I remember in that game we came out not ready to play and Pitt jumped on us.

On the other side of the coin, that season also had good/great wins that we pulled out in crunch time. OSU was significant, we rose up and stuffed them after going ahead. Since then we have not been able to hold a lead or protect a lead vs OSU in crunch time.

We beat Minny in OT making the winning play.

Wisconsin was another good example of winning a big game in crunch time.

Then the script flipped for the Rose Bowl vs USC and unfortunately has never really swung back our way. That USC loss has lingered and dogged us as we seemingly have never recovered from it in terms of being able to win a big game in crunch time.
 
Franklin is a smooth political maneuverer. He talks an excellent game but does not really have the results to back it up and is essentially resting on one big win that has sustained his career. You know the type, they are "meeting champs" because they say the right things at the right times to impress people but the actual results are not nearly as impressive as the game they talk.

The 2016 season is interesting to look at. The bad. The good. The great then the bad again.

Who knows what would have happened if we don't get the perfect bounce and subsequent scoop and score TD. I would like to think we could have still driven the field for a TD carried by the raucous White Out crowd.

Let's back up in that season. What I think gets overlooked is that miserable loss to Pitt. That kept us out of the playoff. The 2nd loss doomed us and as I remember in that game we came out not ready to play and Pitt jumped on us.

On the other side of the coin, that season also had good/great wins that we pulled out in crunch time. OSU was significant, we rose up and stuffed them after going ahead. Since then we have not been able to hold a lead or protect a lead vs OSU in crunch time.

We beat Minny in OT making the winning play.

Wisconsin was another good example of winning a big game in crunch time.

Then the script flipped for the Rose Bowl vs USC and unfortunately has never really swung back our way. That USC loss has lingered and dogged us as we seemingly have never recovered from it in terms of being able to win a big game in crunch time.
Your first graph especially is why the act is tiresome. Many things can be true.

Do I think JF ultimately is a good guy who stands for the right things? Yes.

Is he a good face to have for your program from a relationship building and foundational standpoint? Absolutely.

Would IMO he be a better CEO/AD (fill in the blank) than a HC? To this point, the answer is yes.

JF sees the macro picture like a CEO and understands and thinks progressively, which is critical. But, his ability as a HC from a preparation standpoint, and from a 'maximizing your talent' standpoint is average at best -- and I'm being generous. He is a word salad guy, as you alluded. JF is articulate, smart, loves the camera, and knows how to project the program in a positive light -- all attributes. But, when the rubber has met the road, where it really counts from a program reputation standpoint, on the field, we are an annual laughingstock deemed as 'annual frauds.'

Voltz's ridiculous inability to not mention Rhule or Golden in every reply, combined with the dumb assertion (which isn't quantifiable) that making a move at HC is guaranteed to net negative results is why this board never ceases to amaze me.

Do I think JF can get us to the playoffs and contend for the trophy, sure I do. It's about making those 4-5 plays in close games against quality opponents that we need to start making -- which we haven't. How do we make those pivotal plays moving forward? That is JF's job to figure out, which so far, he has done poorly at best since 2016.
 
Your first graph especially is why the act is tiresome. Many things can be true.

Do I think JF ultimately is a good guy who stands for the right things? Yes.

Is he a good face to have for your program from a relationship building and foundational standpoint? Absolutely.

Would IMO he be a better CEO/AD (fill in the blank) than a HC? To this point, the answer is yes.

JF sees the macro picture like a CEO and understands and thinks progressively, which is critical. But, his ability as a HC from a preparation standpoint, and from a 'maximizing your talent' standpoint is average at best -- and I'm being generous. He is a word salad guy, as you alluded. JF is articulate, smart, loves the camera, and knows how to project the program in a positive light -- all attributes. But, when the rubber has met the road, where it really counts from a program reputation standpoint, on the field, we are an annual laughingstock deemed as 'annual frauds.'

Voltz's ridiculous inability to not mention Rhule or Golden in every reply, combined with the dumb assertion (which isn't quantifiable) that making a move at HC is guaranteed to net negative results is why this board never ceases to amaze me.

Do I think JF can get us to the playoffs and contend for the trophy, sure I do. It's about making those 4-5 plays in close games against quality opponents that we need to start making -- which we haven't. How do we make those pivotal plays moving forward? That is JF's job to figure out, which so far, he has done poorly at best since 2016.
I am not a JF hater but I am frustrated by his inability to get us those truly meaningful, program transcending wins. As I said in 2016, that year is an enigma, we had some transcendent wins (OSU and even Wisconsin are two of his biggest wins if not the two biggest) but the bad losses overshadowed the wins. And it is really the last season I can remember where the team showed strong mental fortitude at the end of the game to make winning plays during "winning time". That season could have been an amazing run but just fizzled into what could have been. We saw the best and the worst in back to back games.

He does seem more like a CEO type but that is not a job or role within the program. LOL! I guess maybe an AD.
The issue is we are talking about a different role for him then the one he is in. He seems so emotionless at times and so corporate that I don't see it serving him well nor the program. He did get fired up after the '18 loss to OSU but that got us nowhere. He does come across as polished and articulate so that is good PR and generally a good face for the program but I would take less of that and more of just win a few big games.

And could someone please tell him he does not need to lead off every presser with..."I would like to thank everyone for coming out and covering Penn State football" or whatever the fake, corny line is he uses. It sounds ridiculous especially after a blown game. He makes it seem like he is the women's field hockey coach at Lehigh. "I would like to thank our loyal 30 supporters". Does Mike Rhoades say this? No. Penn State football is a national brand and has been since JF was a kid or before he was born.

I agree he needs to figure out how we can make those winning plays. It starts with mental toughness (not only the team but him) and it also has a lot to do with preparation. Too often he seems to be "outcoached". The 2019 Minny game replay was on last night. I watched a little and at the beginning of the second quarter the announcer says Minny gained something like 190 yards in the first quarter. That is just a big wtf. We were only down 14-10 but c'mon that is an example of being completely flat footed to start a game and there are many other examples (complete inability to stop USC passing game in 4th quarter of Rose Bowl, no backup QB vs Iowa, no passing game all season last year, not prepared for Michigan's sell out to the run last year on and on).

Do I believe he can turn this big game trend around? Not sure. I really hope so but I am losing confidence. He has a great opportunity this year to get some nice, even signature wins.
 
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I am not a JF hater but I am frustrated by his inability to get us those truly meaningful, program transcending wins. As I said in 2016, that year is an enigma, we had some transcendent wins (OSU and even Wisconsin are two of his biggest wins if not the two biggest) but the bad losses overshadowed the wins. And it is really the last season I can remember where the team showed strong mental fortitude at the end of the game to make winning plays during "winning time". That season could have been an amazing run but just fizzled into what could have been. We saw the best and the worst in back to back games.

He does seem more like a CEO type but that is not a job or role within the program. LOL! I guess maybe an AD.
The issue is we are talking about a different role for him then the one he is in. He seems so emotionless at times and so corporate that I don't see it serving him well nor the program. He did get fired up after the '18 loss to OSU but that got us nowhere. He does come across as polished and articulate so that is good PR and generally a good face for the program but I would take less of that and more of just win a few big games.

And could someone please tell him he does not need to lead off every presser with..."I would like to thank everyone for coming out and covering Penn State football" or whatever the fake, corny line is he uses. It sounds ridiculous especially after a blown game. He makes it seem like he is the women's field hockey coach at Lehigh. "I would like to thank our loyal 30 supporters". Does Mike Rhoades say this? No. Penn State football is a national brand and has been since JF was a kid or before he was born.

I agree he needs to figure out how we can make those winning plays. It starts with mental toughness (not only the team but him) and it also has a lot to do with preparation. Too often he seems to be "outcoached". The 2019 Minny game replay was on last night. I watched a little and at the beginning of the second quarter the announcer says Minny gained something like 190 yards in the first quarter. That is just a big wtf. We were only down 14-10 but c'mon that is an example of being completely flat footed to start a game and there are many other examples (complete inability to stop USC passing game in 4th quarter of Rose Bowl, no backup QB vs Iowa, no passing game all season last year, not prepared for Michigan's sell out to the run last year on and on).

Do I believe he can turn this big game trend around? Not sure. I really hope so but I am losing confidence. He has a great opportunity this year to get some nice, even signature wins.
The areas I bolded, especially irk me. It's the mental fortitude, or lack there of, that just crumbles annually in our big games. We have enough talent to split our big games, or some years, maybe win most...I'm tired of the excuses that we don't. People associate losing primarily with lack of talent -- well our NFL draft under JF proves otherwise. We are soft mentally, have been for many yrs.

Also, I'm in total agreement about the pressers -- and the ridiculous open he does. "Thanks for coming out and supporting PSU football" -- as if we are some startup that needs attention. It's ridiculous at this juncture.

His PR/speaking ability and overall persona helps his cause primarily to take attention away from the annual issues with this team, which seemingly are the same every Fall. It's rinse and repeat. So, in that, I'm not sure he knows how to fix the problems. But, I will say, his hiring at the coordinator position, especially on D, has been very impressive. As for other positions, I'm not as thrilled.
 
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The areas I bolded, especially irk me. It's the mental fortitude, or lack there of, that just crumbles annually in our big games. We have enough talent to split our big games, or some years, maybe win most...I'm tired of the excuses that we don't. People associate losing primarily with lack of talent -- well our NFL draft under JF proves otherwise. We are soft mentally, have been for many yrs.

Also, I'm in total agreement about the pressers -- and the ridiculous open he does. "Thanks for coming out and supporting PSU football" -- as if we are some startup that needs attention. It's ridiculous at this juncture.

His PR/speaking ability and overall persona helps his cause primarily to take attention away from the annual issues with this team, which seemingly are the same every Fall. It's rinse and repeat. So, in that, I'm not sure he knows how to fix the problems. But, I will say, his hiring at the coordinator position, especially on D, has been very impressive. As for other positions, I'm not as thrilled.
I think he had Sandy Barbour hoodwinked. She knew nothing about football and he talked a good game. Next thing you know he has a 10 year $90 million deal. Ridiculous. Kraft won't be fooled, JF better deliver soon as in win a few big games but Kraft is handcuffed by this absurd contract.

I also look at the talent that gets drafted every year compared to our on-field results versus good teams and it is underwhelming to say the least. Yes, we should at least split these big games. I said it at the beginning of last season. If we could just split between OSU and Michigan I would deem the season a success. I did not think at the time nor do I think now that objective was an unfair high bar. Yet he could not deliver, so '23 was a big disappointment to me. Passing game was abysmal so it is Mike Yurcich's fault. No, that is your fault Franklin. You hired him, you were his boss and you run the program. Take accountability!

Yep, he did well to get Diaz on D and he was able to land Moorehead who did good things (not great though). The revolving door of O Coordinators is totally on him yet he is able to escape the blame and accountability due to his smooth operator, political nature we have alluded to.

This year is huge in my mind. Has he gotten it right at OC? Will Allar develop into the 5 star/NFL first rounder we expect? Has he fixed the passing game? And of course the big one, does the team and JF have the mental fortitude to win a big, close game(s) AND does JF have us well prepared for the big games to do so???
 
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Meyer was hired at OSU almost immediately after their season ended in late November. He probably had word by late October or November that Fickell wasn't going to make it and thus the job was his.

Joe announced his intent to retire on November 9, 2011. I think there's a good chance Meyer already had the OSU job lined up by that time.

I do think there's validity that Meyer saw the Penn State job as one he'd be interested in taking post-Joe, but the OSU job opening around the same time put an end to that.
As you said, Urban was announced as the new Head Coach at OSU right after the Michigan game in 2011, but the worst kept secret around Columbus and OSU by mid season season was that Meyer was a done deal to OSU. That was BEFORE the "scandal" broke at PSU in November 2011. He was OSU bound regardless of what happened at PSU. Now if OSU didn't have their own issues and Tressel was still coaching, Meyer may very well have looked at PSU when Joe retired, but he had stated several times during his career that OSU and ND were his "dream jobs", even when he was at Florida.
 
No sense in any Franklin hater to read any of this as your mind is closed to any thoughts that you don't already have cemented in your cranium.

Most years, Franklin had Penn State ranked higher than where his salary ranks amongst college head coaches, thereby outperforming his worth. Some of the coaches that were paid more: Dabo Swinney, Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley to name three did not do as well as James Franklin did, but Penn State "fans" that never coached in their lives complain about Franklin's salary.

2023 saw three of the largest six crowds in Beaver Stadium history so it's not like the fans have lost interest in Penn State football and it still generates revenue for all the sports programs.

In 2019, if Amani Oruwariye intercepts a pass that hit him in the hands on Michigan State's final drive, Penn State wins. The Spartans would go on to score a game winning touchdown shortly thereafter.

I have yet to see a coach miss a block, miss a tackle, drop a pass, miss a kick, fumble the football, have a holding or pass interference penalty called on him, or throw an interception in a game. Have you? Sometimes, it's not the coaches but the players.

Every team has injuries. It's part of the game although some years aren't as bad as others but I don't recall any team losing two game changers that would be relied upon heavily for an upcoming season like Penn State did when sophomore All-American Micah Parsons skipped his junior and senior seasons due to Covid thus missing out on a potential Butkus and Bednarik Award winner. One can't fault Parsons for his decision but there's a major impact player that would have been counted on immensely in his junior season.

Another was the health loss of Journey Brown. Brown rushed for 202 yards on 16 carries in the Cotton Bowl and Brown still had two seasons of athletic eligibility remaining and was lost due to health reasons. Then Ricky Slade transferred to Old Dominion, we lost Noah Cain to injury and we were down to 4th string Kevyonne Lee as starting tailback.

Sean Clifford getting hurt against #3-ranked Iowa definitely hurt Penn State that year. Should Franklin had his backup QBs more prepared? Definitely but Kinnick Stadium is a tough place to play for any opposing QB let alone against a #3-ranked team. Clifford's injury also affected his play the following week against Illinois.

In 2017, how many teams had to content with a three-hour plus weather delay on the road against a ranked team? It takes luck, beneficial scheduling, and being relatively injury-free to go undefeated. Nothing like having to play Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State some years consecutively. In 2017, Penn State had a one-point loss against Ohio State in Columbus and a three-point loss at Michigan State. A play here or there could have changed the outcome. Players make plays. Give Ohio State and Michigan State credit as their players are on scholarship too.

As for coordinator turnover, which doesn't help with team chemistry and cohesiveness and continuity of play and performance, Moorhead, Rahne, Pry, and Diaz all left to take head coaching jobs, a promotion, but there are those that falsely blame Franklin for coordinator turnover.

There are things about CJF that drive me nuts and he's not beyond criticism, but it's a multi-faceted thing winning and losing. Franklin runs a winning program and gets us to NY6 bowls. He has his weaknesses but runs a clean program.

"We're trying to win football games, don't misunderstand that. But I don't want it to ruin our lives if we lose. I don't want us ever to become the kind of place where an 8-2 season is a tragedy. Look at that day outside. It's clear, it's beautiful, the leaves are turning, the land is pretty and it's quiet. If losing a game made me miserable, I couldn't enjoy such a day."
- Joseph Vincent Paterno

We're talking about a bunch of kids playing a sport. Win or lose, the sun has come up the next day, EVERY time.
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"We're trying to win football games, don't misunderstand that. But I don't want it to ruin our lives if we lose. I don't want us ever to become the kind of place where an 8-2 season is a tragedy. Look at that day outside. It's clear, it's beautiful, the leaves are turning, the land is pretty and it's quiet. If losing a game made me miserable, I couldn't enjoy such a day."
- Joseph Vincent Paterno

We're talking about a bunch of kids playing a sport. Win or lose, the sun has come up the next day, EVERY time.
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Please join us in 2024. This is outdated. Yes, we're not going to die but it's playoff or bust. If we don't make the playoff criticism is warranted. That's life.
And we're talking about adults playing a game for a lot of money
 
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Please join us in 2024. This is outdated. Yes, we're not going to die but it's playoff or bust. If we don't make the playoff criticism is warranted. That's life.
And we're talking about adults playing a game for a lot of money
Especially the players who have been playing for like 7, 8, 9 yrs! Are they 'kids' in the fashion he wrote?
 
Please join us in 2024. This is outdated. Yes, we're not going to die but it's playoff or bust. If we don't make the playoff criticism is warranted. That's life.
And we're talking about adults playing a game for a lot of money
And it affects your life exactly how?????
 
Especially the players who have been playing for like 7, 8, 9 yrs! Are they 'kids' in the fashion he wrote?
Exactly. I don't understand this "it's kids playing a game"
This is a big business (always has been) and the objective is to win titles.
Is the world going to end if we go 9-3 and miss the playoff? Of course not.
Is that an acceptable season if it happens? Of course not.
People need to stop downplaying the importance of winning and contending.
 
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