There'll never be a final word--but I think it's a pretty good start to the discussion:
The Top 10 NCAA Wrestlers Of All Time
The Top 10 NCAA Wrestlers Of All Time
Flo's GOAT list
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That list is hard to argue with. Ed was the first that came to mind to me to be 10 but plenty of guys on their mention list really could be 10. I do think Ben Askren gets overlooked some. He's 2 time champ, 4 time finalist, 2 time hodge, same as DT. I think he at least should make the mention list, not just the list of those that didn't make that.
Is it because he lost to the same guy twice? (Pendleton)
Is it because he lost to the same guy twice? (Pendleton)
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Dake at 3? The rest of the top ten probably has less losses combined than he does. Despite Taylor's 1 point loss to Dake in 2013, Taylor outscored him by 6 points at NCAAs and outscored him in 2013, even with Dake getting 4 more points in the final. People place way too much weight on 1 point wins.
McCoy at Hwt. is a big oversight. 1,3,1 with one total loss in 3 years? Totally agree with Ben Askren's non-inclusion.
And ..... no Bill Koll? Egregious. Just plain egregious.
McCoy at Hwt. is a big oversight. 1,3,1 with one total loss in 3 years? Totally agree with Ben Askren's non-inclusion.
And ..... no Bill Koll? Egregious. Just plain egregious.
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Tom Ryan thinks any top 10 list without Kyle Snyder must be invalid.
Hard to leave Snyder off that list. I could see replacing Steiber with Snyder or as much as I hate to say this on the PSU board, you could replace Zain with Snyder. On the other hand - WOW what a list of studs.
No Hawkeyes in the top 10.
HR must be in full whining mode.
HR must be in full whining mode.
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I am not sure I would agree that Snyder could replace Zain on the list. While Snyder was a great college wrestler, if you only look at his college accolades I do not believe he is superior to Zain. When taking everything into account, then I would agree that to this point Snyder is deserving of being listed on a top 10 list, but this is for college only.
Yeah, the two Hodges for Zain and the part-time status of Snyder during his last two seasons sort of precludes Snyder reaching the top 10.
I'm probably going to catch sh@# for this, but I think Snyder should be top 10 (not at the expense for Zain though).
I'm not sure Gable should be on the list. As good as he was, he lost in the finals his senior year and is the only one with "only" 2 championships. Snyder, Ruth, and several others are more deserving, imo.
i think the internet called flo HQ and told them if they let him off the list there would be a meltdown of epic proportion.
Since so many people died at the end of net neutrality, they figured it was warranted to let him remain.
#flocares
Come on man, trolling Iowa fans isn't going to work over here unless "slush fund" or "greatest coach ever" is the topic.
Gable should be on any goat list. Look again at how he dominated with one fluke loss (in the context of his day....no freshman, etc), and then tell me he wouldn't be one of your first choices if you were building a team to win.
Gray Simons is the other guy that should be on the list.
Gray Simons is the other guy that should be on the list.
I'm not trolling guys, as far as I'm concerned if you want be known as one of the GOAT then you can't lose in the finals as a senior. As great as his 72 Olympic run was, it doesn't count, neither does his accomplishments as a coach. If you make an honest comparison of careers, there were more deserving wrestlers that were left off. Simons is an excellent example of this.
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separating the man from the legend is very difficult.
“When the legend becomes fact,
print the legend.”
Lots of myths get perpetuated that way.
print the legend.”
Lots of myths get perpetuated that way.
No Bill Koll love? Three years wrestling - three NCAA titles - two OW awards - undefeated in college. How does he not make top 10?
no fan of Iowa, but I was surprised at how low Dan Gable was on the top 10 list. To read that some think he shouldn't even be on the list is amazing to me. How quickly we forget.
The question becomes, who would you bump?
No one, in my view. Snyder is rightfully not in the top 10.
In my view Dake is number 2 (don't like the guy, but can't argue with this)
"The only four-time NCAA champ to get it done in four different weight classes and without the benefit of a redshirt season"[/QUOTE]
Yah, looking at it again, I can't see who I would bump.
Not naming a 10th guy -- copout? Or saving a spot for Cenzo?
Discuss.
Discuss.
I can see your point also. I guess if you factor in that one a Steiber's (a four timers) losses were to a true freshman Zain - that adds weight to Zain being on the list. I would like to see a best of the last 30 years. Most of us have no personal recollection of some of the old timers.
as a matter of fact I will give it a shot.
1) Cael
2) Dake
3) McIlravey
4) Zain
5) Joe Williams
6) Pat Smith
7) Snyder
8) Ruth
9) Steiber
10) The guy from West Virginia who won 3 titles - I can't remember his name but it seems like it was something Jones.
it might be awful to say but I think there are more 3 and 4 timers to add to this list in the next decade. people will get bumped off, there is no doubt about it.
gable was ahead of his time, he was absolutely dominate, he was probably the best of his generation (multiple generations maybe) and changed the sport forever........ but he did not compete against todays guys and todays guys are just flat out better in all aspects of the sport.
could he have beaten todays guys, probably, because the guy had the will of a 100 men. but what he was back then is how most of the top guys are now.
the argument is flawed from the jump.
f** no less, till the butt hurt overtakes people
That's true except Haselrig still took on the full beating of an entire career of HWT matches, where Snyder wrestled a very limited schedule for 3 years. I think the results would have been the same, but we will never know if he would've stayed healthy with 3 years of the types of beatings Coon gave him.
