This should get everyone panties bunched up.
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pa-senate-kathleen-kane-removal-20151023-story.html
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pa-senate-kathleen-kane-removal-20151023-story.html
For the Kane groupies: Wolf on board with removing Kane
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This is old news....the Gov called for her to step down weeks if not months ago. Who knows what his deal is though. Perhaps she has done dirt on some if his friends too??
The question everyone needs to ask is, why is there such a rush to get Kane removed BEFORE any due process/hearings, etc.are completed??? Is that not a red flag to anyone? Come on folks lets use our brains here.
We now know that one of the SC judges who voted to suspend Kane's license was involved in the porn emails she has been trying to shine light on. The mere fact this clown didn't recuse himself from voting says all you need to know about the state of the judiciary in PA....smh.
Whether you favor her removal or not (I do not) she is a political liability for the Democrats headed into the fall elections. He continuing presence in office may not be a major issue for voters, but it is an issue and a distraction.
Not to worry - our "friend," Jake Corman, majority leader of the senate, will do the right thing and demand due process for Kane. Wink, wink.
And this is precisely why, IMHO, it is a huge strategic mistake for the R's to try and remove her. Right now she is an albatross around the neck of the Democratic party. Why on earth would the R's want to step in and put out that fire?
Thanks. I just contacted Wolf's office and let him know where I stand. Anybody who is in favor of due process should do the same.
https://www.governor.pa.gov/contact/
https://www.governor.pa.gov/contact/
Perhaps, but the support for her removal is definitely bi-partisan. The OAG is a mess.
Support for her removal is bipartisan, because corruption and "business as usual" and the old boys club and taxpayer abuse are all also bipartisan.
They just all want to hold onto the status quo, and/or not be revealed by AG Kane as being part of the mess she discovered.
I'm cynical about politics too. She's as crooked as they are. Someone will win and someone will lose. She has messes of her own too.
She is entitled to due process.
Not a strategic mistake at all by the Republicans, especially if the Democratic governor is on board. That demonstrates that this wasn't a partisan removal but a joint removal for her ineffectiveness. Since Kane was the first Democratic AG in PA ever, it makes it that much harder to imagine a viable Democratic candidate winning the next AG election. If Kane was the best the Democrats could offer and she ended up having her license revoked and kicked out of office that would be a MAJOR coup for the Republics. An Wolf has given them the cover to avoid this being a Republican vs. Democrat issue.
In short, if you can get checkmate in 2 moves (i.e. license suspension & constitutional removal), you don't take 3 moves to accomplish it. Why, because if you let things run their course, you end up in the situation where she wins the case against her and has her license restored thus removing any grounds you have for removal. And if that happens, then she can trump the narrative that it was a witch hunt on partisan issues and it would be convincing. She'd potentially have two Supreme Court justice scalps in her quiver plus those of a handful of other politicians (Fina and company). What is a liability for her could turn to become a justification and asset for her if the Republicans worry about style points, especially if she has more dirt to release on the past AG. I understand the Republican's urgency to get to the finish line, but not sure I see Gov. Wolf's urgency.
Only if you define "bi-partisan" as R and D......which is the biggest con-game ever perpetrated on a governed population.
Do you really think there is any differences between a corrupt R and a corrupt D??
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If....on the other hand......you separate "partisanship" based on the "righteous vs the scoundrel".......
Or on the "thinking vs the sheeple"
Or on the "independent vs the autopilot R/D-bots"
Then, not so much
Always nice to here from Bill Keisling
State court porno emails and relationships demand federal prosecutor (about an hour ago)
NewsLanc.com
http://newslanc.com/2015/10/23/state-court-porno-emails-and-relationships-demand-federal-prosecutor/
Kane groupies?? You can always tell what someone's opinion of a topic is when you analyze what they write. Buzzwords like groupies, Joebots, etc., reveal the writer's bias.
I'm always curious when this line of thinking comes up.
by every metric, she's been the most "effective" AG in decades, with record drug arrests and prosecutions, record child sex predator arrests and prosecutions, etc . . .
but it seems hard to fault Kane for being politically ineffective and a liability to the Democrats when the good old boy network has thrown every dirty trick it can at her. you'd think voters would be more pissed that their right to elect an AG has been torpedoed by a bunch of porn loving grifters in suits and robes.
I think Kane is not the brightest bulb and has seriously mismanaged this (and likely violated the law leading to the situation we are in). I also think she's cracked the door on the old boys network exposing some skeletons they don't want out. Problem is, I don't see any adult in this process that I would trust as a neutral broker who will dig to the truth here.
With the involvement to the PA Supreme Court and 2/7 so far in trouble I would prefer an outside federal prosecutor to delve into this mess. That said, I'm not sure I would really trust the U.S. AG's office from playing politics with this either. The trust in both Federal and state AG offices has been severely eroded for me over the past few years.
Come on, Wolf just doesn't want to be associated with this at all. He is just thinking of himself, he asked Kane to step down some time ago before any facts of Kane's supposed guilt have been made public. He doesn't want the distraction, he doesn't want some of his cronies to be dragged into this. Like others have said, the incompetence and level of corruption in Pa. is staggering and saturates both political parties. They're all part of the same club of politicians-they all have cocktails together after their public bickering is over.
Exactly the problem. I wouldn't trust him to deliver my pizza but he's this 'upstanding professional' to the media and powers that be. The slow degradation of US AG and state AG offices over the years (allowing politics to enter the administration of Justice more and more) has hit a critical turning point IMO. Who do you trust anymore? Is there an enforcement group that you would trust would do a proper and complete job and not let politics influence things? Integrity appears to be missing in those offices.
interesting view taken in Keisling's article..maybe borders on child exploitation over the internet
Maybe these are some of the issues that the boys in Harrisburg are rushing to remove Kane ……if anything comes out of these & future emails relating to child porn or the exploiting of children the these dirty politicos are in very deep trouble. It appears on both sides of the isle.
Indeed, some of the photos definitely involved "exploitation" -- a crime. https://twitter.com/No1Lion99/status/657597406448586752 …
Ray Blehar added,
Behind the Green Door
How complicated does all this become?
Maybe these are some of the issues that the boys in Harrisburg are rushing to remove Kane ……if anything comes out of these & future emails relating to child porn or the exploiting of children the these dirty politicos are in very deep trouble. It appears on both sides of the isle.
Indeed, some of the photos definitely involved "exploitation" -- a crime. https://twitter.com/No1Lion99/status/657597406448586752 …
Ray Blehar added,
Behind the Green Door
How complicated does all this become?
My point wasn't very clear...what I meant to convey was that Wolf's statements that Kane is unfit to serve and his agreement that the State Senate should convene a committee to investigate her possible removal undercuts any of Kane's successes to the general public. As soon as they hear that the sitting Democratic governor believes her to be ineffective and wants her removed, they will conclude that she must be much, much worse than they could ever have imagined without ever considering any facts.
Look at the situation of Eric Holder and Obama for comparison. If Obama hadn't supported Holder, then the Republicans accusations would have been accepted as truth because Obama wouldn't have contested them. Although Wolf did not select Kane, the fact that the most powerful person in the PA Democrat circles is pushing hard for Kane to leave simply means that the Republicans can CLAIM that it is for her ineffectiveness, regardless of if that is true or not. The harm it does to Kane is that she cannot claim it is simply Republicans out to get her to protect their old Republican AG buddies, because Wolf is issuing statements pressuring her to leave. They'll conclude she is guilty simply because no one could imagine why a fellow Democrat would openly lobby for her removal if she was effective. I don't know what Wolf's angle is unless her removal would allow him to appoint an acting AG in the interim until a election occurs thus giving that person some advantage to win the next election.
thanks for clarifying. I understood your comment, didn't mean to direct my reply as an attack on you.
you're speaking in political realities in a non-partisan manner. very uncommon but much appreciated!
and yes, Wolf is thinking of Wolf, likely hearing gruff from people in his own party who have an ax to grind with Kane.
Wolf isn't supposed to have any cronies. He ran as a guy who was not a member of the Harrisburg elite.
