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Former Michigan OC Matt Weiss indicted

The guy was finding women he thought were attractive and used identity markers to gain access to social media accounts and I cloud to steal pics and videos.

How much time did this guy have on his hands?
I shudder to think what else was on his hands in the Michigan Football Offices!

Amazing that nobody ever walked in on some "self lovin' Wolverine style" whilst he was cruzin' his mega database of stolen treasures!

Didn't Conor the Staloin also have a pretty intricate set of ratings and symbols for his "scouting" project?

No matter how you cut it- 2 rouge guys doing weird things who were coaches on a top D 1 team at the same time.....

Culture problem?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm..............
 
I sort of remember someone from Michigan hacking into OSU football and the hacking leading to other problems. Could be wrong.

On the other hand, a classic "Michigan Man" in the tradition of Schembechler, Connor Stallions and Jim Harbaugh.
 
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Not sure how closely folks are following this, but wanted to share a nugget I saw today

(to recap: in the course of this federal investigation into Weiss being a internet pervert, evidence came to light that Weiss also gained illegal access to a website that is cloud storage/access for universities' football teams' practice film. Michigan was accessing OSU's practice film (99.999% confirmed) and very likely accessing other opponents as well. There was a second school rumored to be nearly confirmed and it was assumed for a long time to be MSU (i.e. OSU and MSU being UM's biggest rivals. Turns out the second school is almost certainly PSU).


(again, none of this 100% confirmed yet, but there are three sources posting that have been pretty right about everything so far)
 
Not sure how closely folks are following this, but wanted to share a nugget I saw today

(to recap: in the course of this federal investigation into Weiss being a internet pervert, evidence came to light that Weiss also gained illegal access to a website that is cloud storage/access for universities' football teams' practice film. Michigan was accessing OSU's practice film (99.999% confirmed) and very likely accessing other opponents as well. There was a second school rumored to be nearly confirmed and it was assumed for a long time to be MSU (i.e. OSU and MSU being UM's biggest rivals. Turns out the second school is almost certainly PSU).


(again, none of this 100% confirmed yet, but there are three sources posting that have been pretty right about everything so far)
Yes. Right now, they've just released the criminal charges. There are also, now, several civil suits being filed by individuals who were violated. UM is catching a lot of heat because they haven't even acknowledged it, as far as I know. One attorney for those filing said that there are thousands of people that don't even know he hacked them. And most of these cases seem to assume he did so for some kind of sexual gratification.

This also appears to be separate, at least for now, from the Stalions sign stealing incident. However, they may end up being linked and, honestly, I'd be surprised if they aren't. But even if they aren't, it certainly suggests a program completely out of control with TWO major violations on staff at the same time.

UM learned how to NOT do these from PSU. So they are desperately trying to keep a lid on things and so far, so good. They've been able to give people the notion that this guy was a lone rogue with a personal problem. It will probably go deeper than that and envelope UM, but they are hoping it will trickle out and not go nuclear like Sandusky did.
 
Strange thing. Pure speculation, but following the Conor Stallians thing, I wonder if "opponent espionage" was the mandate from the top. Weiss, I speculate, was hacking into these school systems for scouting purposes and then probably went down a rabbit hole of voyeurisms once he got access to female teams and player information. Just my guess, probably wrong.
 
This also appears to be separate, at least for now, from the Stalions sign stealing incident. However, they may end up being linked and, honestly, I'd be surprised if they aren't.
I don't think the investigations are linked (per se). Apparently, the NCAA is opening a new investigation (NOA incoming) regarding the practice footage hacking (they had to wait for FBI to file charges).

But the mechanisms for how they used these two things (Stalions/Weiss) to gain a competitive advantage I do think are linked. Recall, OSU TE alledging that UM defense called out a play (TE screen) pre-snap that OSU had never run before. How would you have that information? Practice tape.

Hell, it's possible that Stalion's "work" actually didn't make a ton of difference (from a competitive advantage perspective) and it was mostly the practice tape (which would include sign stealing, BTW) was the source of Michigan suddenly getting good.

But even if they aren't, it certainly suggests a program completely out of control with TWO major violations on staff at the same time.
Three. Don't forget about the recruiting violations (and lying about them).

And while not related to NCAA issues they had the Schembechler offspring racism stuff and the young staffer in the "To Catch a Predator" situation.
 
Strange thing. Pure speculation, but following the Conor Stallians thing, I wonder if "opponent espionage" was the mandate from the top. Weiss, I speculate, was hacking into these school systems for scouting purposes and then probably went down a rabbit hole of voyeurisms once he got access to female teams and player information. Just my guess, probably wrong.
Just to clear this up a bit, the entry point for all of this was a database that tracks athlete medical records (Keffer Development Services). It is not clear how he got access there. It is suspected that through that site, he had access to student athlete email addresses and passwords, which allowed him to socially engineer additional hacks (e.g. if I know your password to your PSU account, chances are you are lazy and use that same password for something similar, including cloud accounts where you might store racy pictures. Or at a minimum I can use your email/password combo to do a password reset for other accounts, if 2 factor authentification isn't required)

This is actually somewhat separate from the unauthorized film access which is through a company called Catapult. Catapult identified unauthorized access to their system back in Dec 2023

It is probably likely that he used the same sort of social engineering to hack players' (from various schools) access to their team's catapult accounts, i.e. logging in pretending to them and downloading video (it's also occurred to me that maybe he was trading XXX picture/videos to someone at Catapult in exchange for this information, but according the recently filed charges he wasn't sharing any of his ill gotten collection, so I don't think that's the case).
 
Just to clear this up a bit, the entry point for all of this was a database that tracks athlete medical records (Keffer Development Services). It is not clear how he got access there. It is suspected that through that site, he had access to student athlete email addresses and passwords, which allowed him to socially engineer additional hacks (e.g. if I know your password to your PSU account, chances are you are lazy and use that same password for something similar, including cloud accounts where you might store racy pictures. Or at a minimum I can use your email/password combo to do a password reset for other accounts, if 2 factor authentification isn't required)

This is actually somewhat separate from the unauthorized film access which is through a company called Catapult. Catapult identified unauthorized access to their system back in Dec 2023

It is probably likely that he used the same sort of social engineering to hack players' (from various schools) access to their team's catapult accounts, i.e. logging in pretending to them and downloading video (it's also occurred to me that maybe he was trading XXX picture/videos to someone at Catapult in exchange for this information, but according the recently filed charges he wasn't sharing any of his ill gotten collection, so I don't think that's the case).
First, how did he get their passwords? But even if that were true, the story I heard is he had access to 150,000 students' data. So if goes far beyond individual usercode/passwords. And the passwords are encrypted so nobody, not even the schools, know what they are.

That leads me to believe that he hacked into school databases and attained the information en masse. And if he did that, he either had to do this as part of his attempt to get into opponents' sports databases. In other words, he got into school databases to get his rocks off to hot sports girls and then did the opponent's team info, or he hacked the opponent's team info and thought, what the hell, I might as well get my rocks off to their hot sports girls too. Bottom line, if he hacked the school's database, he had access to both in all probability.
 
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First, how did he get their passwords? But even if that were true, the story I heard is he had access to 150,000 students' data. So if goes far beyond individual usercode/passwords. And the passwords are encrypted so nobody, not even the schools, know what they are.
That leads me to believe that he hacked into school databases and attained the information en masse. And if he did that, he either had to do this as part of his attempt to get into opponents' sports databases. In other words, he got into school databases to get his rocks off to hot sports girls and then did the opponent's team info, or he hacked the opponent's team info and thought, what the hell, I might as well get my rocks off to their hot sports girls too. Bottom line, if he hacked the school's database, he had access to both in all probability.
My understanding it that he basically had admin access at Keffer Development Services. Which would mean he could see everyone's email and passwords who were on that site. That's where the 150000 athletes comes from. He then branched out from there to access other accounts (whether it be school or gmail or icloud or whatever). And also into Catapult.

How he had access at Keffer is unclear.
 
My understanding it that he basically had admin access at Keffer Development Services. Which would mean he could see everyone's email and passwords who were on that site. That's where the 150000 athletes comes from. He then branched out from there to access other accounts (whether it be school or gmail or icloud or whatever). And also into Catapult.

How he had access at Keffer is unclear.
got it. if he had that, Keffer better be calling their attorneys pronto. it would be hard for me to believe that each university didn't have their own secure access, including hard and soft shells. And if true, that would rule out one employee being compromised.
 
got it. if he had that, Keffer better be calling their attorneys pronto. it would be hard for me to believe that each university didn't have their own secure access, including hard and soft shells. And if true, that would rule out one employee being compromised.
Clearly there were a lot of internet security failures throughout this debacle.
 
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I sort of remember someone from Michigan hacking into OSU football and the hacking leading to other problems. Could be wrong.

On the other hand, a classic "Michigan Man" in the tradition of Schembechler, Connor Stallions and Jim Harbaugh.
You're not wrong. The FBI has been investigating this for a while. It also appears to be a ring of folks involved. This is beyond bad.
 
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This is a nothing burger for UM football. It sounds like he hacked into a university’s data base of students and was looking for attractive girls in a voyeuristic manor. He should’ve just googled hot college girls and saved himself all that extra work. All kidding aside, it may be that he is some kind of deviant not trying to scout teams is my take.
This is not remotely a nothing burger. There are thousands of victims here. Michigan will be fortunate to survive this. He also, possibly hacked into tOSU and PSU athletic departments.
 
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This is not remotely a nothing burger. There are thousands of victims here. Michigan will be fortunate to survive this. He also, possibly hacked into tOSU and PSU athletic departments.
Yes, there at least two aspect to this, neither of them are good for Michigan.

Unrelated to athletics, there is unsavory illegal viewing/downloading of intimate images/videos. There has already been a class action lawsuit filed against Michigan and that will likely be both ugly and expensive (for the University).

The other aspect is that it is almost certain (again, not confirmed but I'd say over 99%) that Weiss also illegally accessed other teams' practice film via Catapult. That's going to result in ANOTHER NCAA notice of allegations. Beyond how serious that sort of cheating is, they are now FULLY in the repeat offender category (cheeseburger gate, plus Stalions and now this). That means really, really harsh punishments are on the table.

I have no sense of how this will go. Maybe (unlike in the Stalions stuff) Michigan cooperates with the NCAA, admits guilt and negotiates a lesser punishment. If they don't....wow....I think it will get really bad, really fast.
 
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That is the attorney I was referring to. Now, he is an attorney which is a "paid spokesperson" for his clients. So he'll say anything to provoke the situation. But his comment appears to be, for the most part, believable. Especially the lack of response fromthe University of Michigan. They are still in the "denial" or "bargaining" phase.
 
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When will they announce sanctions?
Important to keep in mind that any issues related to Matt Weiss and the NCAA (i.e. stealing practice video) is NOT part of the current NCAA investigation (i.e. the NCAA couldn't do that until the FBI indicted).

So just to be clear

1) Sanctions from the "Cheesburger" incident have already been handed down.
2) Sanctions from "Stalion-gate" should be announced this spring
3) Sanctions from Weiss are a ways off but in the works.

Also important to note that #1 makes #2 and #3 in repeat offender status opening up the door for far harsher sanctions that would have normally been in play.
 
Important to keep in mind that any issues related to Matt Weiss and the NCAA (i.e. stealing practice video) is NOT part of the current NCAA investigation (i.e. the NCAA couldn't do that until the FBI indicted).

So just to be clear

1) Sanctions from the "Cheesburger" incident have already been handed down.
2) Sanctions from "Stalion-gate" should be announced this spring
3) Sanctions from Weiss are a ways off but in the works.

Also important to note that #1 makes #2 and #3 in repeat offender status opening up the door for far harsher sanctions that would have normally been in play.
Thanks for the post but doesn't that constitute a program that was completely out of control? These are all major infractions.
 
Thanks for the post but doesn't that constitute a program that was completely out of control? These are all major infractions.
Oh, absolutely. I suspect Michigan will try to blame as much of this as possible on people who are no longer with the program (Weiss, Stalions, Harbaugh, etc) but I think there are likely to be proveable links for some of this to people still on staff.
And the old "he doesn't work here anymore" defense is likely of limited efficacy given the number and scope of these violations.
 
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Oh, absolutely. I suspect Michigan will try to blame as much of this as possible on people who are no longer with the program (Weiss, Stalions, Harbaugh, etc) but I think there are likely to be proveable links for some of this to people still on staff.
And the old "he doesn't work here anymore" defense is likely of limited efficacy given the number and scope of these violations.
Agreed. And also consider that the won a Natty with Stalions and Harbaugh on board plus a lot of contributions by Weiss in prior seasons. The data Weiss stole didn't disappear when he was suspended. letting them keep that Natty, at least historically, is the definition of the ends justifying the means.
 
Agreed. And also consider that the won a Natty with Stalions and Harbaugh on board plus a lot of contributions by Weiss in prior seasons. The data Weiss stole didn't disappear when he was suspended. letting them keep that Natty, at least historically, is the definition of the ends justifying the means.
Also, interesting note about timing of Weiss investigation. It appears the university knew he was under investigation PRIOR to the TCU game and still allowed him to coach.
 
Also, interesting note about timing of Weiss investigation. It appears the university knew he was under investigation PRIOR to the TCU game and still allowed him to coach.
The TCU coach said, IIRC, he was tipped off and changed their offense signals so that UM couldn't read them. It may have cost UM the game as TCU was up 20-6 at the half before Um outscored them 39-30 in the second half. Remember, UM had that incredible defense that year.

Sonny Dykes says TCU was aware of Michigan stealing signs ahead of Fiesta Bowl win



 

They aren't known as scUM for nothing. Given that a lot of the b1g clown officiating office has deep connections to scUM, it really cracks me up that some on here blather on with righteous indignation when anyone indicates the corruption that permeates this Conference including the Officiating Office.... Take a look at the lowlife manner scUM has dealt with these cheating scandals (letting an OC Coach the last several years despite the FBI and NCAA disclosing to them that he had illegally hacked into other teams' athletic systems!). It's no different than how this scumbag win-regardless-of-cost University handled the Ed Martin Basketball Scandal.

Sorry, but the win-regardless-of-cost cheaters permeate this Conference including in all probability the clown-show hacks in the Officiating Office (both in regards to bias and gambling in all likelihood).
 
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Also, interesting note about timing of Weiss investigation. It appears the university knew he was under investigation PRIOR to the TCU game and still allowed him to coach.
Wonder if there was some deal made NOT to top him off because Feds were after even bigger fish ? Did not want their case jeopardized ?

That is the attorney I was referring to. Now, he is an attorney which is a "paid spokesperson" for his clients. So he'll say anything to provoke the situation. But his comment appears to be, for the most part, believable. Especially the lack of response fromthe University of Michigan. They are still in the "denial" or "bargaining" phase.
 
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Important to keep in mind that any issues related to Matt Weiss and the NCAA (i.e. stealing practice video) is NOT part of the current NCAA investigation (i.e. the NCAA couldn't do that until the FBI indicted).

So just to be clear

1) Sanctions from the "Cheesburger" incident have already been handed down.
2) Sanctions from "Stalion-gate" should be announced this spring
3) Sanctions from Weiss are a ways off but in the works.

Also important to note that #1 makes #2 and #3 in repeat offender status opening up the door for far harsher sanctions that would have normally been in play.
Is there any scenario where they stall as long as possible hoping or anticipating bigger changes coming down where these Top Tier leagues / Conferences become self regulated ?

Assuming any charges brought down may be lessened?
 
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Is there any scenario where they stall as long as possible hoping or anticipating bigger changes coming down where these Top Tier leagues / Conferences become self regulated ?

Assuming any charges brought down may be lessened?
In a way they have been doing that since the start of all of this.

"Michigan Against the World!" Etc etc

Did he or did he not pay people to tape signals? That is a Yes or No question and answer.

How useful and/or valuable or impactful on game outcomes the information was is irrelevant.

The whole UM defense of this is Clintontonian and Trumpian promiscuity logic: deny it long enough, get tangled into definitions like "what is cheating if everyone is doing it," and deny $300k payments to a porn star were tied to anything illicit.

Make yourself the victim and deny, deny, deny even more!

Their Natty is trash, as are many of those who are complicit- including the soon-to-be sacrificial lamb Mr. S " I deleted Connors Boyz texts to free up gig space" Moore.

Nothing to see here....
 
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