So you think if Penn State says no to playing, CJF will try to play else where or will disobey his bosses?
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So you think if Penn State says no to playing, CJF will try to play else where or will disobey his bosses?
Maybe his wife? She seems to wear the pants in that family...she definitely has the balls for it.
Shutting things down saves them from perceived liability and the lost revenue only reinforces the importance of their political connections to the people who control the federal and state dollar troughs...
If someone is charged with typing subtitles on-the-fly for that guy, they deserve combat pay for doing it.
Yea I think its a possiblilty. Its the same thing Frost, Day, Harbaugh, Ferentz have said as well.
Let me put it another way. I don't think anyone would have brought up the playing in dome stadiums if it was just an "in the heat of the moment" comment. No, he did some recon. on it.
A couple of things. The more teams in the B1G that say they will explore playing if the B1G cancels their season will put pressure on the B1G. If teams are going to play the B1G would much rather have them play under the B1G umbrella. This could be a way to force the B1G to hold off on making any decision.
Secondly, if some P5 conferences play and some don't it's going to be an absolute disaster for a number of reasons. For example how do you manage scholarships? You know that the conferences that cancel will demand the NCAA waive this year of eligibility meaning it doesn't count. Then you have to deal with allowing those schools more than 85 scholarships since they will have recruiting classes coming in and many of those players will be sticking around for another season when they would have left or exhausted their eligibility. The other option is the NCAA tells them too bad and they lose the year, which would in turn likely cause lawsuits.
Then you have the conferences that did play who will likely demand that they also get more scholarships if other P5 conferences get more than 85 because at that point it's an unfair advantage next year to have more than 85 scholarship players on some teams and not others.
It's an all or nothing deal with P5 conferences. Either they all cancel or none do. I wouldn't want to see the clusterf*ck of say the PAC12 and B1G cancelling and the other three playing.
Secondly, if some P5 conferences play and some don't it's going to be an absolute disaster for a number of reasons. For example how do you manage scholarships? You know that the conferences that cancel will demand the NCAA waive this year of eligibility meaning it doesn't count. Then you have to deal with allowing those schools more than 85 scholarships since they will have recruiting classes coming in and many of those players will be sticking around for another season when they would have left or exhausted their eligibility. The other option is the NCAA tells them too bad and they lose the year, which would in turn likely cause lawsuits.
Then you have the conferences that did play who will likely demand that they also get more scholarships if other P5 conferences get more than 85 because at that point it's an unfair advantage next year to have more than 85 scholarship players on some teams and not others.
It's an all or nothing deal with P5 conferences. Either they all cancel or none do. I wouldn't want to see the clusterf*ck of say the PAC12 and B1G cancelling and the other three playing.
Have the lawyers draft an ironclad agreement that absolves the schools from covid liability. The players/coaches who want to participate sign it and proceed. Everyone else gets paused for a year. Deal with schollies later on. Isn’t this the solution? What’s the hang up on this plan?
What I've been reading is that the ACC intends to play.
https://www.gobblercountry.com/2020/8/10/21362953/acc-absolutely-plans-on-football-in-2020
https://www.bcinterruption.com/2020...cc-still-intends-to-play-football-in-the-fall
We have often thought that Ohio State's position is the B1G's position. If Ohio State is on this "play elsewhere" train, the B1G is going to have to pay attention.
I actually admire Ohio State in these circumstances. You won't hear the same BS that you'll hear from Barron.
I actually admire Ohio State in these circumstances. You won't hear the same BS that you'll hear from Barron.
ESPN seems to have become totally agenda driven. They all sing from the same hymnal. There was the anti-PSU / Joe agenda. There's a strong, pervasive left-leaning political agenda (example - they tried to destroy Drew Brees simply b/c he said he was going to stand). They all want CFB players to be paid and call them exploited at every opportunity. Now - and very strangely - there seems to be an anti-sports agenda, on the premier sports network. It seems virtually all of their talking heads are parroting the same opinion about how it's irresponsible for virtually any sport to go forward. That's certainly the case about CFB, but I also heard it about NBA, MLB, NFL.
Contrast - Joel Klatt on Cowherd yesterday made an excellent point that the players are most certainly safer if they remain within their programs, where their activities are monitored, isolation is enforced, they get regular medical attention, etc. If that opinion has been expressed on ESPN, by anyone, I haven't heard it.
Contrast - Joel Klatt on Cowherd yesterday made an excellent point that the players are most certainly safer if they remain within their programs, where their activities are monitored, isolation is enforced, they get regular medical attention, etc. If that opinion has been expressed on ESPN, by anyone, I haven't heard it.
Exactly. So Franklin/Penn State can now just grant extra years of eligibility. Sometimes these guys on ESPiN are downright idiots. I truly mean that. I know many times we'll say "that guys an idiot", in kind of jest. But in all heartfelt sincerity, Desmond Howard saying that Franklin would know the answer to granting an extra year of eligibility, when the NCAA has not made those decisions.... well, he's an idiot.
Let’s face it, Desmond is not on the show because of his ability to think, reason or speak....he’s there because he used to be a good football player. Being a good football player doesn’t require the same skills as being a good broadcaster, but ESPN (and other sports programs) don’t seem to be able to figure that out.
Waivers aren't foolproof. First off with all of the unknowns around COVID and possible health impacts both short and long term it would be nearly impossible to create a waiver today that offers adequate protection for the party involved. Secondly, a good lawyer will be able to work around the constraints of the waiver anyway. I'm sure the universities are well aware of this and that there could be liability risk for them no matter what.
Do these reporters who are throwing out the phrase "morally repugnant" in regards to signing a liability waiver even live on the same planet Earth as the rest of us??? Seriously. There is a belief that the media is so East Coast/West Coast inclusive, they really have lost touch with real world "Americana".
"Repugnant" to sign a liability waiver.....
True story regarding my neighborhoods Swim-Tennis Pool. My neighborhood has 610 homes in the sub-div with a very strict HOA. Back in May, the HOA sent out an alert that due to Covid concerns & liability they were not opening the pool.... There was an outcry from the neighborhood. After several meetings, the HOA's attorney's drafted a "Liability Waiver". Any home/family in the sub-div wanting to use the "common areas" which included the pool, tennis courts, basketball court and pickel-ball court would need to sign the Liability waiver. If you signed the Liability Waiver, your house received Green HOA Wrist bands to wear at the common areas. If you did NOT sign the Liability Waiver, then you simply chose to not use the common areas and your household did not receive their wrist bands.
Bam. Simple as that. Out of the 610 homes in my sub-div over 590 signed the Liability waiver. The pool opened by late May and has been full every day since opening. 7-days per week.
..... Was it "morally repugnant" for our sub-div to present Liability Waivers to use the pool?????
btw. As a side note. Our neighborhood since opening the pool has reported ZERO cases. ZERO hospitalizations. ZERO deaths.
"Repugnant" to sign a liability waiver.....
True story regarding my neighborhoods Swim-Tennis Pool. My neighborhood has 610 homes in the sub-div with a very strict HOA. Back in May, the HOA sent out an alert that due to Covid concerns & liability they were not opening the pool.... There was an outcry from the neighborhood. After several meetings, the HOA's attorney's drafted a "Liability Waiver". Any home/family in the sub-div wanting to use the "common areas" which included the pool, tennis courts, basketball court and pickel-ball court would need to sign the Liability waiver. If you signed the Liability Waiver, your house received Green HOA Wrist bands to wear at the common areas. If you did NOT sign the Liability Waiver, then you simply chose to not use the common areas and your household did not receive their wrist bands.
Bam. Simple as that. Out of the 610 homes in my sub-div over 590 signed the Liability waiver. The pool opened by late May and has been full every day since opening. 7-days per week.
..... Was it "morally repugnant" for our sub-div to present Liability Waivers to use the pool?????
btw. As a side note. Our neighborhood since opening the pool has reported ZERO cases. ZERO hospitalizations. ZERO deaths.
This is why the legislatures need to act to grant blanket immunity to businesses to protect from the coming wave of BS COVID lawsuits.
Agree. But there are other guys who used to be excellent football players who are also very intelligent & thoughtful people. I understand Desmond fills a few quotas. He's an ex player and he's African American. With a crew of Herbstreit, Fowler & Corso they needed to check off those requirements. Heck, Joey Galoway is on the same network, he's on their "B" team and IMO, Joey Galloway is about 99.999% more intelligent and more informed that Howard.
The bar is set at being better than Desmond Howard.... that's not exactly impossible.
Joey Galloway is 100xs better. And he's right there in the ESPN building.
pretty much spot on. How else do you explain how Greeny mentioned "heisman trophy" like 4 times whenever he went to mushmouf? ESPN thinks he adds legitimacy to the college football conversation just because he won a heisman. Same thing with Holtz
Herbie is an tO$U grad and Howard played for scUM (not sure he graduated)... Galloway is a tO$U grad... no way they put Galloway with Herbie (got to appear not to be biased toward tO$U).
Here is the problem with postponing the decision. Once classes start again, with students on campus, there will most likely be a spike in cases at all of these schools that are bringing kids back to campus. At that point, they will cancel the season anyway.
That's exactly correct. However, they sign them for all types of risks now. Just because something is new doesn't mean you automatically can be sued for it or are liable for it. I think a good lawyer could find plenty of support for why the schools are at no more risk for allowing athletes to play.
It seems to me that there are people that try to solve problems and those that go around looking for more problems. Deal with what you know and make informed decisions.
His contribution would be about equal either way.
So ........... you are saying that a legislature comprised of almost all lawyers would write legislation that would put other lawyers out of a job??? Won't hold my breath until I see that!
I struggle with the idea of putting kids in bubbles in a few stadiums. I'm a traditionalist who thinks player should also be students and this seems to have a negative impact on the student part.
I also struggle with the idea of playing in the spring. Top players will leave for the NFL. Remaining players would be playing during a time that's supposed to be spring practice. What to do with early enrollees? It would be a mess.
IMO the kids should play in the fall if the belief is that they would be just as safe as they would be if they were at home.
I also struggle with the idea of playing in the spring. Top players will leave for the NFL. Remaining players would be playing during a time that's supposed to be spring practice. What to do with early enrollees? It would be a mess.
IMO the kids should play in the fall if the belief is that they would be just as safe as they would be if they were at home.
And what happens when someone that signed the waiver lends their green wristband to someone else that didn't, or isn't even aware of its existence? Is that person also excluded from filing any lawsuits? I'm not a lawyer but I'd think not since they didn't agree to waive any of their rights. And that eliminates the protection that your HOA thinks they might have. I think waivers give people a warm and fuzzy inside but in reality I'm not sure how useful they actually are.
If we decide to live our lives totally out of fear of lawsuits then we will basically do nothing but hide in our homes. I could walk into the grocery store, slip in aisle 3 and sue my local Kroger. I could go to Home Depot, reach for something high, have a box fall and hit me on my head and sue Home Depot. I could walk down the street and have my neighbors dog bite me and sue my neighbor...... I can think of variables to just about every detail in life and come up with a potential lawsuit. .......... Next thing I know, I'll be 80- years old, look back and realize that life f#@king passed me by.
I guess you are much smarter than all the lawyers in our sub-division. I'd say there are at least 10 lawyers in the sub-division that I know of. Also, one big time Actuary for Berkshire Hathaway. All of them signed the waiver. All of them have their kids swimming at the pool each day.
You cited an example of how waivers might have allowed things to move forward. I pointed out an example how the waiver may not provide the assurances to the HOA that they think it does and a reason why the Big 10 may not be allowing football despite the possibility of getting a waiver signed (ignoring the fact that some players have already opposed such waivers in their "unity" statement). I'm not saying everyone needs to cower in fear and live the safest life possible, I'm purely giving an example of the possible rationale behind the decision that was made today.
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