Freestyle Rules Are Stupid

[nerfstate]

I hate criteria, someone give me a good argument against sudden death/victory.

El Jefe did in this thread already. As a fan, I prefer "bonus wrestling" when the action is high. But when wrestlers know who is going to win at any given point, it forces the losing wrestler to engage to win. Overall, I think maybe a better product.

PLENTY of freestyle wrestlers find a way to stop a gut or lace. Just do that, and there's no need to change the rule. It might hurt the product some though--it can be a bit boring, I'll agree w/ you there.

I think control based wrestling (folkstyle) is the better measure of ability. At the end of the day, I prefer it for this reason. But Freestyle is (generally, look outside of Rec Hall) more entertaining.

 

[crablegs1]

I am warming to it, but...

I hate criteria, someone give me a good argument against sudden death/victory.

I would like to see one/move sequence limited to 6 points. A good deep lace or gut should not end the match simply by mimicing a crocodile

Proper throw has to go

The argument against sudden victory is you have to go unlimited time or it doesn’t work. And no one wants to watch a 15 minute match of nothing happening. Really simple argument.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

The argument against sudden victory is you have to go unlimited time or it doesn’t work. And no one wants to watch a 15 minute match of nothing happening. Really simple argument.

Nah. Why is it different than than folk in that respect? Not many 15 min matches there, short of Suriano Fix, which was 30 mins of awesomeness. In any case there is passivity and a shot clock. The refs can force the action

 

[seeyajohn]

I would like to see the number of points scored by consecutive exposures using the same technique be limited to 4. So, a takedown followed by gut or lace would be held to 6 points.

 

[crablegs1]

Nah. Why is it different than than folk in that respect? Not many 15 min matches there, short of Suriano Fix, which was 30 mins of awesomeness. In any case there is passivity and a shot clock. The refs can force the action

That is because they go to an arbitrary rule set. The 30 second rideouts. If you wanted true sudden victory, it would have to be unlimited.

 

[jtothemfp]

Let's not call them rideouts -- that gives them an air of legitimacy that they don't deserve.

Let's call them what they are: stallouts.

Let's not call them criteria -- that gives them an air of clarity that they don't deserve.

Let's call them what they are: fabricated secondary metadata attributes that destabilize the semantic meaning of a competition's score which were constructed via ill-advised attempts to avoid use of existing common sports tiebreakers such as overtime by granting otherwise standard scoring actions more or less weight depending on the situational occurrence during which said action takes place.

 

[nerfstate]

Let's not call them criteria -- that gives them an air of clarity that they don't deserve.

Let's call them what they are: fabricated secondary metadata attributes that destabilize the semantic meaning of a competition's score which were constructed via ill-advised attempts to avoid use of existing common sports tiebreakers such as overtime by granting otherwise standard scoring actions more or less weight depending on the situational occurrence during which said action takes place.

To that point, I'd be fine with assigning point values to go with the determining criterea. Makes a lot more sense then a dang underline. have the biggest move of the match? You get 2 more points. Score last? that's a point! No different than riding time, right?

 

[jtothemfp]

To that point, I'd be fine with assigning point values to go with the determining criterea. Makes a lot more sense then a dang underline. have the biggest move of the match? You get 2 more points. Score last? that's a point! No different than riding time, right?

It's probably 6 one way, half dozen another as to which would be the more absurd way to teach new fans how Freestyle scoring works:
1. "See, in Situation X, a takedown is worth 2pts, but in Situation Y, it's worth 3" or;
2. "See, in Situation X, a takedown is worth 2pts; in Situation Y, it's still worth only 2pts, but it also gets an Underline! Which, well, means that the wrestler who scored in Situation Y is actually winning, despite the tie score--look, if you squint real close, you can see his 4 has an underline."

I'm not sure I follow your correlation to riding time?

 

[nerfstate]

I'm not sure I follow your correlation to riding time?

Riding time is a point that is assigned at the conclusion of the match based on a certain predefined criteria. Also a tough one to teach new fans.

My point is it’s ALL an artificial construct, man.

 

[jtothemfp]

Riding time is a point that is assigned at the conclusion of the match based on a certain predefined criteria. Also a tough one to teach new fans.

My point is it’s ALL an artificial construct, man.

Truth.

 

[nerfstate]

Posting this oldie to temper my newfound enthusiasm for criterea. I rarely find it wise to contradict this guy, but can’t help but wonder if his opinion has evolved over 5 years.



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