Frustrated with palming/carrying the basketball and walking in college basketball

[Ranger Dan]

This is going to sound a lot like an angry old man, "back in my day", get off of my lawn type post, but here goes.

I never played HS basketball, but did play a ton of basketball in my 20's, 30's, and early 40's, including pick up and organized rec leagues. When I would play with playground type players, they would be a lot more likely to palm or carry the ball while dribbling. It seemed to be the exception and limited to undisciplined young teenagers. When watching college basketball, I would see very few players get away with this type of stuff. I grew to despise the NBA, because they were really loose on traveling calls and otherwise enable players to make fantastic dunks with little regard to fundamentals.

As I watch college basketball today, I see so many players carrying/palming the basketball. I would say that many of today's "slick" ball handlers are doing so by violating the rules for dribbling. It seems almost like the referees aren't just ignoring this, but they changed the rule to make this acceptable. Is this just me being an old man, or does anyone else see a trend towards allowing players to palm/carry the basketball?

 

[dawgduice]

You are correct just about every player today "carries" the ball. It has become completely "legal". I do NOT care for it at all. The NBA is far far worse than college. Although they are staring to catch up. The GAME has changed, rules are kind of, well not rules. The college game is still pretty good. I find the NBA game unwatchable. Not BB but entertainment, and not for me.

 

[wbcincy]

This is going to sound a lot like an angry old man, "back in my day", get off of my lawn type post, but here goes.

I never played HS basketball, but did play a ton of basketball in my 20's, 30's, and early 40's, including pick up and organized rec leagues. When I would play with playground type players, they would be a lot more likely to palm or carry the ball while dribbling. It seemed to be the exception and limited to undisciplined young teenagers. When watching college basketball, I would see very few players get away with this type of stuff. I grew to despise the NBA, because they were really loose on traveling calls and otherwise enable players to make fantastic dunks with little regard to fundamentals.

As I watch college basketball today, I see so many players carrying/palming the basketball. I would say that many of today's "slick" ball handlers are doing so by violating the rules for dribbling. It seems almost like the referees aren't just ignoring this, but they changed the rule to make this acceptable. Is this just me being an old man, or does anyone else see a trend towards allowing players to palm/carry the basketball?

After seeing the title of your post, I was all set to come in and tell you get off my lawn, but you beat me to it.

I don't mind, the game is better when players can dribble from the side of the ball. It'll still get called if they come under it. Allowing the level of palming they do today allows players to do more athletic things. What exactly does it hurt?

 

[olelion]

After seeing the title of your post, I was all set to come in and tell you get off my lawn, but you beat me to it.

I don't mind, the game is better when players can dribble from the side of the ball. It'll still get called if they come under it. Allowing the level of palming they do today allows players to do more athletic things. What exactly does it hurt?

Had to laugh when I read your post. I had brought this up a couple of years ago here and the first response was".......get off my lawn"

 

[blion72]

This is going to sound a lot like an angry old man, "back in my day", get off of my lawn type post, but here goes.

I never played HS basketball, but did play a ton of basketball in my 20's, 30's, and early 40's, including pick up and organized rec leagues. When I would play with playground type players, they would be a lot more likely to palm or carry the ball while dribbling. It seemed to be the exception and limited to undisciplined young teenagers. When watching college basketball, I would see very few players get away with this type of stuff. I grew to despise the NBA, because they were really loose on traveling calls and otherwise enable players to make fantastic dunks with little regard to fundamentals.

As I watch college basketball today, I see so many players carrying/palming the basketball. I would say that many of today's "slick" ball handlers are doing so by violating the rules for dribbling. It seems almost like the referees aren't just ignoring this, but they changed the rule to make this acceptable. Is this just me being an old man, or does anyone else see a trend towards allowing players to palm/carry the basketball?

i played HS BB in the 1960's and was called many time for traveling, palming and walking. i even was called once for allowing the ball to become "weightless". the game was alot more difficult in terms of fundamentals.

 

[john4psu]

It's ridiculously bad.

 

[psu1969a]

After seeing the title of your post, I was all set to come in and tell you get off my lawn, but you beat me to it.

I don't mind, the game is better when players can dribble from the side of the ball. It'll still get called if they come under it. Allowing the level of palming they do today allows players to do more athletic things. What exactly does it hurt?

IT WILL RUIN THE GAME. SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

It's ridiculously bad.

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I truly "liked" your post but could only watch abut 1:30 of it before it became redundant. I am waiting for a guy to take an inbound pass from under the basket and run "fullback style" (using the stiff arm) the length of the court for a game-winning layup. If I was a coach I would instruct my players to do just this to establish the actual threshold for "traveling".

 

[artsandletters]

This is going to sound a lot like an angry old man, "back in my day", get off of my lawn type post, but here goes.

I never played HS basketball, but did play a ton of basketball in my 20's, 30's, and early 40's, including pick up and organized rec leagues. When I would play with playground type players, they would be a lot more likely to palm or carry the ball while dribbling. It seemed to be the exception and limited to undisciplined young teenagers. When watching college basketball, I would see very few players get away with this type of stuff. I grew to despise the NBA, because they were really loose on traveling calls and otherwise enable players to make fantastic dunks with little regard to fundamentals.

As I watch college basketball today, I see so many players carrying/palming the basketball. I would say that many of today's "slick" ball handlers are doing so by violating the rules for dribbling. It seems almost like the referees aren't just ignoring this, but they changed the rule to make this acceptable. Is this just me being an old man, or does anyone else see a trend towards allowing players to palm/carry the basketball?

Kind of being a practicing Catholic, they make everything easier to keep and grow the customer base (not meant as an insult to Catholics, just my informed opinion).

 

[LionDeNittany]

After seeing the title of your post, I was all set to come in and tell you get off my lawn, but you beat me to it.

I don't mind, the game is better when players can dribble from the side of the ball. It'll still get called if they come under it. Allowing the level of palming they do today allows players to do more athletic things. What exactly does it hurt?

How is it more athletic? It's less athletic as they simply carry the ball and run with it.

LdN

 

[LionDeNittany]

This is going to sound a lot like an angry old man, "back in my day", get off of my lawn type post, but here goes.

I never played HS basketball, but did play a ton of basketball in my 20's, 30's, and early 40's, including pick up and organized rec leagues. When I would play with playground type players, they would be a lot more likely to palm or carry the ball while dribbling. It seemed to be the exception and limited to undisciplined young teenagers. When watching college basketball, I would see very few players get away with this type of stuff. I grew to despise the NBA, because they were really loose on traveling calls and otherwise enable players to make fantastic dunks with little regard to fundamentals.

As I watch college basketball today, I see so many players carrying/palming the basketball. I would say that many of today's "slick" ball handlers are doing so by violating the rules for dribbling. It seems almost like the referees aren't just ignoring this, but they changed the rule to make this acceptable. Is this just me being an old man, or does anyone else see a trend towards allowing players to palm/carry the basketball?

It basically makes playing defense impossible. How do you defend a guy with the ball who doesn't need to bounce that ball and if you touch him you are called for a foul?
It's not too far off from what is happening in the NFL with receivers pushing off defenders on every play.

Sports just like offense and change the rules to allow for it. Noone cares if NFL has the best defensive season ever with only 3 receivers over 5 TDs and none over 7.

LdN

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

After seeing the title of your post, I was all set to come in and tell you get off my lawn, but you beat me to it.

I don't mind, the game is better when players can dribble from the side of the ball. It'll still get called if they come under it. Allowing the level of palming they do today allows players to do more athletic things. What exactly does it hurt?

The rule on "carrying" has always been that no part of your hand can cross the "equator" of the ball and the lower half of the ball. Rotating the hand side to side to direct it left or right is legal. The biggest violators of the "carrying" rules are parties that "hold it" on a spin move by directing a portion of their dribbling hand below the equator of the ball and "carrying it" all the through the spin (especially when they take multiple steps without putting ball to floor).

 

[Ranger Dan]

the game is better when players can dribble from the side of the ball

How is the game better? Is the game better when they allow players to take three steps without dribbling? LOL Why require players to dribble at all?

Change the freaking rule, if you want to make the game more offensive or make it easier for a point guard to dribble the ball without fear or turnover or steal.

What does it hurt? It means that those players who weren't coached to palm/carry the ball are at a disadvantage to those who do this. Also, when college players play internationally after college, it's possible that they will not tolerate this playground crap.

 

[artsandletters]

The rule on "carrying" has always been that no part of your hand can cross the "equator" of the ball and the lower half of the ball. Rotating the hand side to side to direct it left or right is legal. The biggest violators of the "carrying" rules are parties that "hold it" on a spin move by directing a portion of their dribbling hand below the equator of the ball and "carrying it" all the through the spin (especially when they take multiple steps without putting ball to floor).

BS on the always been the hand couldn't cross the equator of the ball. More like the top third of the ball. Take a look at video of Cousy dribbling.

 

[wbcincy]

Nobody seems to be arguing why disallowing palming makes the game better/more interesting. Go watch old tapes of a bunch of white guys slapping the ball straight up and down. Yay. With the quickness of today's players, steals would increase 1000% if that type of dribbling were required.

 

[artsandletters]

Nobody seems to be arguing why disallowing palming makes the game better/more interesting. Go watch old tapes of a bunch of white guys slapping the ball straight up and down. Yay. With the quickness of today's players, steals would increase 1000% if that type of dribbling were required.

They made the game easier all the way around. That's my issue. Look at where the inside rebounder lines up for a free throw. It's been moved out, closer to the foul line, requiring less blocking out of the opponent standing next to you. The player still blocks out but the threat of the second man out getting a follow-up/rebound has diminished considerably.

The hop step? Where'd that come from? Changing the pivot foot isn't called. The three point shot is bullshit.