Future PSU - Temple series

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

Okay--so there goes that last ditch effort to cancel out a road game with Temple.

We would literally need to talk a school like Oregon State into coming here with no return trip like in 2008 (I think that's the right year)

ESPN negotiated that game and kicked in a good part of the Oregon St fee because they had no good games for the 3:30 slot that day. I think the price was 300K but that a while ago It would now probably be well over $2 million considering the G5 teams are already over $1 million.

 

[interrobang]

Is it possible PSU wants a 2-1, so Temple leaked that they were working on a home and home?

 

[ClarkstonMark]

Michigan --- e.g., one of our PEERS --- just had a season where they played 6 home games.

I don't think either (1) University of Michigan athletics or (2) the city of Ann Arbor has gone into bankruptcy because of that lack of a 7th home game.

Neither will PSU athletics or State College go bankrupt if we give up the occasional home game against some uninteresting team like Kent State.

I don't care what UM does.
I have no problem giving up a home game for the right opponent - Temple does not move the needle

 

[psuro]

Michigan --- e.g., one of our PEERS --- just had a season where they played 6 home games.

I don't think either (1) University of Michigan athletics or (2) the city of Ann Arbor has gone into bankruptcy because of that lack of a 7th home game.

Neither will PSU athletics or State College go bankrupt if we give up the occasional home game against some uninteresting team like Kent State.

Ann Arbor was already morally bankrupt. Cuz you know-she is a ho

 

[RU31trap]

It's a double edged sword for Penn State. The way you guys are recruiting I see a playoff game in the very near future, who knows maybe inside of 3 years. I see the potential of playing in a National Championship game in 6 years. This means you're now a legit heavyweight. I fully understand the strategy behind a soft OOC schedule but when you're a heavyweight on the verge of doing something great your OOC games should be treated like sparring partners who need to punch back and get you ready for the Title Fight. Not sure Temple is that team.

 

[MJG-90]

It looks to me like the scheduled Power 5 OOC games go through the 2025 home game against Virginia Tech. Following the pattern, the even number years have two home OOC games and one road OOC game. That means our home and home against a "marquee" opponent would be on the road that year and the two home games would be payout games.

That also means the odd numbered years have three home OOC games. This is the only time it really matters to me whether or not we have a marquee opponent on our OOC schedule -- when it's at home where we can watch. Otherwise, I don't really care who we play on the road. And I think it's nice to have the road game close enough to have lots of home fans attend.

MAYBE we can't find a quality opponent to start a home and home in 2026, but have someone lined up starting in 2027. Temple could fill the road game in 2026 and take one of they typical "payout" games in 2027 without actually having to pay them. And hopefully we get the two for one and they agree to give us a second home game in 2028 without having to pay them.

Obviously I'm just tossing crap at the wall and maybe something sticks. If it ends up being just that one year, and it's the road game (our home schedule wouldn't be any better that year anyway), I can probably live with it. If it's really us treating Temple like they are a power 5 opponent, and they are the premier home OOC game in 2027, I'm going to be pretty ticked off.

 

[phillybillyreprise]

Mercer is available?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

So you're saying we shouldn't play Temple like a true Division 1 foe and treat them like a MAC team with all games at Penn State? .

Yes--they aren't a true D1 foe. The AAC is the same as the MAC--both G5

 

[78SweetRevenge]

I'm highly suspicious this WILL be our "big OOC opponent." The timing --- 2026 and 2027, when we currently don't have any OOC games at all scheduled --- makes it suspicious.

Looking at future schedules, I'd be fine with playing at Temple in 2021 and then hosting Temple in 2022. We're already playing Auburn both years. But then we wouldn't have our VERY ABSOLUTELY PRECIOUS MUST HAVE 7 home games scheduled for 2021. God forbid we have some season with only 6 home games.

I have no particular problem giving Temple an occasional home-and-home. They're not in the MAC any more, they're not going to willingly give us 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 series' any more, and it provides us an occasional game in Philadelphia.

Again--explain how we get to 7 home games when we play a home and home with Temple...and still have another real opponent in the non-conference schedule

 

[NittPicker]

Again--explain how we get to 7 home games when we play at Temple

2026 - If the B1G scheduling pattern holds we'll have five conference home games. So OOC would be....

1. H - Rental
2. A - Temple
3. H - P5

2027 - With four B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. H - Temple
3. H - Rental

2028 - With five B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. A - Same P5 as 2026
3. H - TBD

Yes, games against P5 teams can be split. Look no further than the games against VT.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

2026 - If the B1G scheduling pattern holds we'll have five conference home games. So OOC would be....

1. H - Rental
2. A - Temple
3. H - P5

2027 - With four B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. H - Temple
3. H - Rental

2028 - With five B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. A - Same P5 as 2026
3. H - TBD

Yes, games against P5 teams can be split. Look no further than the games against VT.

That's awful--the 2027 is a disaster...can't happen
Honestly, either people are afraid of competition or just don't comprehend schedule matters. If we play Temple and 2 rentals at home in 2027 anyone that buys season tickets is an idiot. We need to play at least one P5 team every year--ideally two

 

[NittPicker]

That's awful--the 2027 is a disaster...can't happen
Honestly, either people are afraid of competition or just don't comprehend schedule matters. If we play Temple and 2 rentals at home in 2027 anyone that buys season tickets is an idiot. We need to play at least one P5 team every year--ideally two

You asked how seven home games could happen and I showed you. So now you're moving the goal posts and saying the schedule isn't good enough. There have been weak OOC schedules in the past as well. It sounds like some people want a top ten OOC game at home every year. It sucks but $$$ matters.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

You asked how seven home games could happen and I showed you. So now you're moving the goal posts and saying the schedule isn't good enough. There have been weak OOC schedules in the past as well. It sounds like some people want a top ten OOC game at home every year. It sucks but $$$ matters.

When we say "make it work" we've addressed time and time again that Temple can't be the "big game". That has been the conversation from the very beginning. Nothing changed.

I don't want a top 10 OOC game at home. I don't care if it's at home or on the road but we can't play Temple on the road to continually schedule one real opponent. We haven't had a legit OOC since...2011 against Bama? Against you're happy with UVa, Pitt & Syracuse. Our schedule has to get better. Auburn & Va Tech (even WVU) was a step in the right direction. Scheduling a home and home against Temple is a disaster and unacceptable. If they want to play us they can come here. The same should be told to Pitt.

Ask yourself...when does Bama go on the road to face a team like Temple? There only true road games are Notre Dame and Texas in the next 6-8 years. Is Michigan going to travel to Western Michigan or even Vanderbilt. No, they travel to Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, Oklahoma & Texas in the coming years. Would Ohio State...no, they travel to Texas, Notre Dame. Washington and Oregon. Now is Temple on the level of those teams.

Honestly, I'm tired of the stupidity here...this is simple. Real programs don't travel to schools like Temple. We're legit--unless you don't think we are. Then that's a different argument. We need to be on the level of the other elite programs. The sanctions are over. Let's stop acting like we're still dealing with them.

 

[MJG-90]

Real programs don't travel to schools like Temple.

Notre Dame did. I don't like Notre Dame anymore than anyone else, but they are as real as it gets.

2026 - If the B1G scheduling pattern holds we'll have five conference home games. So OOC would be....

1. H - Rental
2. A - Temple
3. H - RENTAL

2027 - With four B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. H - Temple
3. H - P5 Team

2028 - With five B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. A - Same P5 as 2027
3. H - TBD

I made the changes in bold to NittPicker's post. This is the only way I'm okay with it since the two home games in 2026 would be rentals either way. At least the years with three home OOC games have one P5 opponent.

 

[Nitt1300]

considering ticket pricing, every game should be against a quality opponent- but since nobody does that, I suppose PSU can't, either

 

[lein]

So you're saying we shouldn't play Temple like a true Division 1 foe and treat them like a MAC team with all games at Penn State? Our team should learn to play games away from Penn State against an easier opponent before we do so with a B1G opponent. It isn't always just about the money. If it were, than we should just play all patsies at home and always play the first 4 weeks at Beaver Stadium before we start the B1G season every year. When we do that, we pay for it with the Playoff Bowl voters. Our University schedulers and management groups know what they are doing, so I wouldn't sweat any of this.

Yes, it will always be about the money. Oh, and MAC teams are true division 1 teams, like Temple.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Notre Dame did. I don't like Notre Dame anymore than anyone else, but they are as real as it gets.



I made the changes in bold to NittPicker's post. This is the only way I'm okay with it since the two home games in 2026 would be rentals either way. At least the years with three home OOC games have one P5 opponent.

Notre Dame isn't tied to 4/5 conference road games a year and they travel around the country because their fan base is nation wide. I understand your point but I don't think Notre Dame is really comparable to anyone else (other than maybe BYU) because of the national fan base and the independent status. The academies too I suppose. People from Philly can easily make a trip to State College for a game.

Yeah, if we can get a legit P5 team to play us in all 3 years without having to go there then playing Temple is fine but that's not going to happen. It's frustrating to watch Ohio State and Michigan schedule teams like Oklahoma and Texas while we're even considering playing Temple on the road. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Erial_Lion]

A 2-for-1 with Temple makes perfect sense (for both schools I’d think).

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

Notre Dame isn't tied to 4/5 conference road games a year and they travel around the country because their fan base is nation wide. I understand your point but I don't think Notre Dame is really comparable to anyone else (other than maybe BYU) because of the national fan base and the independent status. The academies too I suppose. People from Philly can easily make a trip to State College for a game.

Yeah, if we can get a legit P5 team to play us in all 3 years without having to go there then playing Temple is fine but that's not going to happen. It's frustrating to watch Ohio State and Michigan schedule teams like Oklahoma and Texas while we're even considering playing Temple on the road. It just doesn't make any sense.

ND series with Temple was also a 2-1. 2013 & 2017 at ND, 2015 at Lincoln Financial. And I dislike ND as much as the next person but I give them credit for playing games at locations just to make their fan base happy.

 

[AWS1022]

2026 - If the B1G scheduling pattern holds we'll have five conference home games. So OOC would be....

1. H - Rental
2. A - Temple
3. H - P5

2027 - With four B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. H - Temple
3. H - Rental

2028 - With five B1G home games...

1. H - Rental
2. A - Same P5 as 2026
3. H - TBD

Yes, games against P5 teams can be split. Look no further than the games against VT.

If they can be split, how about this schedule with a P5 in 2027 and 2029 instead of a second rental in 2027? Just a thought.

 

[Media Fan]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

Relations are good between the two programs, and the two universities. In addition, the Temple home games are quite popular with PSU alums and fans in SE PA, Southern NJ, and Northern DE. (It will be interesting to see if Temple is able to build their on-campus stadium. If they do, then tickets will be much tougher to obtain for PSU fans, I would imagine.)



Since you haven't a clue which other programs PSU is in discussions with for games in those two years, your statement is premature, at best.

And if Temple becomes PSU's toughest non-con game those two years, there's not a lot that any PSU fan can do about it.

It will be interesting to see if Temple is able to build their on-campus stadium. If they do, then tickets will be much tougher to obtain for PSU fans, I would imagine .....

1. I wish them well, but as someone who lives in SE Pa., I would be very surprised ( pleasantly so I guess) if they went ahead with that.
2. Certainly agree that if they did, tickets become much, much harder to get. Maybe Temple would do to PSU fans what Miami did to FSU fans a number of years ago-- i.e. if you want a ticket to the Miami-FSU game, you have to buy a Miami season ticket (half kidding given size of the facility).

 

[KnightSlayer]

Again--explain how we get to 7 home games when we play a home and home with Temple...and still have another real opponent in the non-conference schedule

Just do the home and home games with a year off in between.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Just do the home and home games with a year off in between.

That still doesn't work

 

[KnightSlayer]

That still doesn't work

Why not? You do it the years we have 5 home big ten games. Temple home and another home game = 7. In two years, you have Temple away and two other home games. In fact, you can squeeze in another home and home series with a P5 team.

Year one. 5 Big Ten home games. Temple at home. MAC at home. P5 away
Skip
Year two. 5 Big Ten home games. Temple Away. MAC at home. P5 home

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Why not? You do it the years we have 5 home big ten games. Temple home and another home game = 7. In two years, you have Temple away and two other home games. In fact, you can squeeze in another home and home series with a P5 team.

Year one. 5 Big Ten home games. Temple at home. MAC at home. P5 away
Skip
Year two. 5 Big Ten home games. Temple Away. MAC at home. P5 home

What do you think happens in the skip year? We play 3 cupcakes? A legit P5 team should be a requirement every single year for this program moving forward. At home or on the road. I really don't believe anyone believes we'll add a legit P5 team to go with Temple.

 

[Art]

Don't worry, Sandy's got this.

 

[doctornick]

Notre Dame did. I don't like Notre Dame anymore than anyone else, but they are as real as it gets.

FWIW, Notre Dame/Temple was a 2 for 1 series.

 

[MJG-90]

FWIW, Notre Dame/Temple was a 2 for 1 series.

True. But I was responding to the simple comment “real schools don’t travel to Temple”. Clearly they do — under the correct circumstances.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

Maybe (hopefully) the talk about a home-and-home with Temple will turn out to be in basketball and not football!

 

[TheGLOV]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

Relations are good between the two programs, and the two universities. In addition, the Temple home games are quite popular with PSU alums and fans in SE PA, Southern NJ, and Northern DE. (It will be interesting to see if Temple is able to build their on-campus stadium. If they do, then tickets will be much tougher to obtain for PSU fans, I would imagine.)



Since you haven't a clue which other programs PSU is in discussions with for games in those two years, your statement is premature, at best.

And if Temple becomes PSU's toughest non-con game those two years, there's not a lot that any PSU fan can do about it.

When is Bill Cosby night??

 

[TheGLOV]

Why does it matter who fills the seats? We're still losing money by playing a game against Temple without actually getting an opponent that will help us with the playoff committee. There's no win here other than Philly fans that don't want to drive to see a game.

Hey! MAF needs a golfing partner this coming Saturday morning sir. 7 am.

He'll spot you 4-strokes!!

 

[78SweetRevenge]

True. But I was responding to the simple comment “real schools don’t travel to Temple”. Clearly they do — under the correct circumstances.

Notre Dame is different because of the Independent status. They can still get 7-9 home games while traveling anywhere. When they went to Philadelphia it was for their fans and they have the luxury of doing that. People that root for Notre Dame in and around Philly can make it to State College very easy for a game if they want--not so much with South Bend

 

[psualum10]

If we ever did sign this agreement, it would tell me that the B1G will be going back to an 8 game schedule sooner than later...No way that we can justify a home and home against Temple under the current situation.

Really surprised that no one bothered to notice this comment. THIS is the reason why we'd be able to do a home-home with Temple. Rumor has it the SEC isn't budging to make a 9th conference game so the Big Ten by this time will be rolling back to 8. We'll be doing a second home-home with a P5 team during these years.

Personally i'm not a fan of doing a H-H with Temple only because last time we ironed out a contract it was a 5-2. If we can get a 2-1 or a 3-2 even then do it but it shouldn't be a straight up home and home. But the above paragraph is the reason it's being talked about. You won't have to worry as much about the 5 away conference road games in a season any further.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

Really surprised that no one bothered to notice this comment. THIS is the reason why we'd be able to do a home-home with Temple. Rumor has it the SEC isn't budging to make a 9th conference game so the Big Ten by this time will be rolling back to 8. We'll be doing a second home-home with a P5 team during these years.

Personally i'm not a fan of doing a H-H with Temple only because last time we ironed out a contract it was a 5-2. If we can get a 2-1 or a 3-2 even then do it but it shouldn't be a straight up home and home. But the above paragraph is the reason it's being talked about. You won't have to worry as much about the 5 away conference road games in a season any further.

There is no way B1G could go back to an 8 game conference schedule until the current TV contract is up. The only talk of going back to an 8 game schedule was from Nebraska AD Bill Moos in a radio interview a few months ago and that was followed a few days later by denials by the B1G that it's even under consideration. Maybe the B1G is keeping it under wraps but it's more likely that Moos was just idly speculating or taken out of context.

 

[MJG-90]

There is no way B1G could go back to an 8 game conference schedule until the current TV contract is up.

It does end before then. I think it only runs through the 2023 season (six year deal beginning this fall).

 

[78SweetRevenge]

I'd be very disappointed in the Big Ten if it rolls back to 8 games...although I'm hoping by the time the current tv deal is up college football looks completely different in terms of conferences/alignment