Gable Steveson

[nitlion6]

So, Cassar is going to "add more muscle" while Steveson.... is only adding "maturity and whatever". LMFAO you PUTZ!

What, too complicated?
Your contention that freshmen improve the most between first and second years, which is a generally accepted perception and can be described as a maturity of the freshman, seems reasonable.

Your conclusion that Stevenson will, due to this wrestling maturity, surpass Cassar requires an assumption that relative to Stevenson's progression Cassar's is more stationary.
I pointed out that Cassar's stated plan is to add muscle, mass and strength. Using his usual weight of 225 to 230 from this year and picturing Cassar with an additional 20 to 25 pounds of additional weight next year that is added via good nutrition and power lifting strength training it is easy (at least for most) to understand Cassar's development curve will not be a relative flat line, but steeper than the usual upper classman.

When you are done laughing your ass off, know I do apologize. I believe understanding the point requires an elementary level of knowledge and I did not initially believe I was talking over your head, but as you pointed out I was. So I am sorry.

 

[midniteride]

Agree 100%. Cassar will be extremely hard to beat next year.

I was assuming that they both would be taking an Olympic red shirt next year.

 

[PSU Mike]

What, too complicated?
Your contention that freshmen improve the most between first and second years, which is a generally accepted perception and can be described as a maturity of the freshman, seems reasonable.

Your conclusion that Stevenson will, due to this wrestling maturity, surpass Cassar requires an assumption that relative to Stevenson's progression Cassar's is more stationary.
I pointed out that Cassar's stated plan is to add muscle, mass and strength. Using his usual weight of 225 to 230 from this year and picturing Cassar with an additional 20 to 25 pounds of additional weight next year that is added via good nutrition and power lifting strength training it is easy (at least for most) to understand Cassar's development curve will not be a relative flat line, but steeper than the usual upper classman.

When you are done laughing your ass off, know I do apologize. I believe understanding the point requires an elementary level of knowledge and I did not initially believe I was talking over your head, but as you pointed out I was. So I am sorry.

If Cassar returns I can’t see why he’d want or need to be any more than 240 or so.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

If Cassar returns I can’t see why he’d want or need to be any more than 240 or so.

yes, no way I can see adding 20-25 lbs being in his best interests

 

[matter7172]

Back to Gable. I was impressed by the way he handled himself at NCAAs (unless I missed something).

 

[WPB_lion]

His lifestyle is not "fine." It cost him a Big Ten Championship and NCAA Title. It's not exactly the best kept secret that Gable has some issues in that department. Does he practice? That's obvious.

He's a transcendent talent, and no, he shouldn't have taken an NCAA loss. There's still time and maybe these two losses will wake him up. Although I doubt it. The party bug is a hard one to drop.[/QUOTE]

While I agree that to maximize their talent, it is optimal to eliminate everything that may adversely affect on their wrestling on the mat.

However, when you say his lifestyle is not "fine" because he is not eliminating everything in his life that may adversely affect his wrestling, you are not looking at him like a human being. If he chooses a lifestyle that is not 100% dedicated to maximizing his wrestling skills, that is his choice and it is "fine" as long as he is being responsible and not getting into trouble. Most people are not able or willing to make that sacrifice which is ok.

 

[grappler6]

Yeah. Someone just posted that he Kerk just blew out his ACL again. Pretty sure it's the same one. Ask Stoll how that works out for heavies.



His lifestyle is not "fine." It cost him a Big Ten Championship and NCAA Title. It's not exactly the best kept secret that Gable has some issues in that department. Does he practice? That's obvious.

He's a transcendent talent, and no, he shouldn't have taken an NCAA loss. There's still time and maybe these two losses will wake him up. Although I doubt it. The party bug is a hard one to drop.

Yeah because everything you hear about an athlete is always true. Will go out on a limb and say I am closer to the situation than you. I will be sure to pass on your concern.

 

[El-Jefe]

His lifestyle is not "fine." It cost him a Big Ten Championship and NCAA Title. It's not exactly the best kept secret that Gable has some issues in that department. Does he practice? That's obvious.

He's a transcendent talent, and no, he shouldn't have taken an NCAA loss. There's still time and maybe these two losses will wake him up. Although I doubt it. The party bug is a hard one to drop.

This is a terrible disservice to a very deserving NCAA Champion.

 

[nerfstate]

Kid nearly won B1Gs and made the NCAA finals. That's pretty great as a true freshman....

At some point most elite athletes realize to stay elite, they need every inch of improvement they can find (ie diet, lifestyle, etc). By all reports, AC has that figured out better than most college kids. It wouldn't surprise me if a true freshman who hasn't needed those margins yet in life hasn't figured that out--but I'd be surprised if he didn't. I have no idea about his personal life whatsoever.

 

[RD41]

Kid nearly won B1Gs and made the NCAA finals. That's pretty great as a true freshman....

At some point most elite athletes realize to stay elite, they need every inch of improvement they can find (ie diet, lifestyle, etc). By all reports, AC has that figured out better than most college kids. It wouldn't surprise me if a true freshman who hasn't needed those margins yet in life hasn't figured that out--but I'd be surprised if he didn't. I have no idea about his personal life whatsoever.

NCAA Semi-Finals. Steveson did not make the finals.

 

[Dogwelder]

Does Gable have a girlfriend or fiancée whom he can break up with?

 

[nerfstate]

NCAA Semi-Finals. Steveson did not make the finals.

Hence the “nearly” but I did forget the “both” to avoid confusion.

 

[vhsalum]

This is a terrible disservice to a very deserving NCAA Champion.

He is neither "deserving," nor an NCAA Champion.

Yeah because everything you hear about an athlete is always true. Will go out on a limb and say I am closer to the situation than you. I will be sure to pass on your concern.

I'm not saying he's being a trouble, or out being a Pat Downey. But yes, he's leaving a little gas in the tank by not being a Snyder, Zain, Nolf, Nickal, DT, Dake, etc.

He COULD be one of those guys, and it would take that little extra that he's just not doing right now. Not saying he's a bad guy at all.

 

[nerfstate]

He is neither "deserving," nor an NCAA Champion.



I'm not saying he's being a trouble, or out being a Pat Downey. But yes, he's leaving a little gas in the tank by not being a Snyder, Zain, Nolf, Nickal, DT, Dake, etc.

He COULD be one of those guys, and it would take that little extra that he's just not doing right now. Not saying he's a bad guy at all.

Pretty sure Jefe was referring to The Champ there, and implying that you’re diminishing his accomplishment in defeating Gable twice.

 

[psumacw]

He is neither "deserving," nor an NCAA Champion.

the deserving NCAA Champion is Cassar. the post he was responding to basically said that Gable should have beaten Cassar

 

[vhsalum]

Pretty sure Jefe was referring to The Champ there, and implying that you’re diminishing his accomplishment in defeating Gable twice.

the deserving NCAA Champion is Cassar. the post he was responding to basically said that Gable should have beaten Cassar

Got it. Sorry about the confusion. No. I'm not saying Gable SHOULD have beaten Cassar. He shouldn't because he didn't and he doesn't deserve. I'm not operating in an alternate reality. Is a "clean" Gable a for-sure bet to beat Cassar? No. But it would have helped.

 

[CropDuster507]

If taking 3rd as a true freshman is disappointing, my life is abysmal.

One little note about Gable. He popped in to watch the state finals in MN. The poor guy no more than sat down and had a steady line of kids and adults coming down (lower bowl in Xcel Center) throughout the entire finals. I legitimately felt bad for the dude, as he was there to watch AV and his friends/future teammates compete. It would've been easy, though unpopular, to try to enjoy that. Instead, he (from afar) seemed super genuine and was awesome to everyone who came up. So like, good on him, man.

If I had even 1/10th of his ability, I'd have 50x his ego.

 

[CropDuster507]

As a side note, I just want to point out that I told the world that the best way to stop him from mid-match Ali-shuffles and post-match celebrations was to beat him, and I was 100% correct. I had no issues with his choices, but...

 

[nitlion6]

As far as weight added, I don't remember what his exact words were but my memory keeps saying "250". Those believing 240 is sufficient, maybe maybe not. I have no idea what he believes he needs to weigh to compete with Gwiz or Coon or Stevenson for the US Olympic spot, but I do believe he will work towards what he and Cael believe that weight needs to be more. If premium NCAA heavyweight weight is different than premium Olympic heavywweight weight, Okympic weight will win out.

 

[nerfstate]

As far as weight added, I don't remember what his exact words were but my memory keeps saying "250". Those believing 240 is sufficient, maybe maybe not. I have no idea what he believes he needs to weigh to compete with Gwiz or Coon or Stevenson for the US Olympic spot, but I do believe he will work towards what he and Cael believe that weight needs to be more. If premium NCAA heavyweight weight is different than premium Olympic heavywweight weight, Okympic weight will win out.

Akgul is around 265, and probably has a lower BMI than even Anthony at this point. AC doesn’t have to be that huge, nor a clone of Akgul, but 230 might be pushing the envelope.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

But, ceteris paribus, Steveson's growth trajectory going from true freshman to to sophomore should be greater than Cassar going from 5th year to 6th year.

huh? You always have a surprise or two for us. I can't ever recall that phrase being used on this board.

what's gotten into you @lionlover? Generally, I expect you to talk more along the lines of how @JBott did in this post:

being able to stay in those chest to chest positions

(Sorry @JBott. I had to borrow your post, and use it out of context. Just an ongoing joke with @lionlover)

 

[Media Fan]

I believe in this life, all other things tend not to be equal.
I can still remember a math prof. Saying things like “ if you don’t change any other variable”......which always struck me as funny when we were talking about a variable. The other phrase was “ if we hold everything else constant”.........
Life is a variable, as well as a gift, and that’s what make it so wonderful.
Having nothing To do with wrestling.

 

[lionlover]

huh? You always have a surprise or two for us. I can't ever recall that phrase being used on this board.

what's gotten into you @lionlover? Generally, I expect you to talk more along the lines of how @JBott did in this post:



(Sorry @JBott. I had to borrow your post, and use it out of context. Just an ongoing joke with @lionlover)

 

[aalion]

I am always disappointed that we at home dont get to see the awards.
I assume all the fans, not just our fans, gave Nolf and Bo appropriately warm applause for ther careers.

You didn’t miss anything ...only thing for PSU fans to cheer was the team trophy. The 2-4 teams never even got in the mat for a team photo, Bo got some award while he was at his presser, and there were less than 500 people around when some NWCA awards were announced after they officially closed the session and said goodbye. It was strange honestly

Bo and Jason both got loud and long standing ovations at the NLWC social late Saturday night though ....

 

[Dogwelder]

... I told the world that the best way to stop him from mid-match Ali-shuffles and post-match celebrations was to beat him, and I was 100% correct ...

You told Cassar the stupendous secret of what to do (win), and Spyker told him the outrageous secret of how to do it (HIT THE WEIGHTS HARD!). That’s why Cassar thanked both Duster and Spyker by name at the post-match interview.

 

[RoarLions1]

Bo and Jason both got loud and long standing ovations at the NLWC social late Saturday night though ....

PSWC

 

[Cowbell Man]

Got it. Sorry about the confusion. No. I'm not saying Gable SHOULD have beaten Cassar. He shouldn't because he didn't and he doesn't deserve. I'm not operating in an alternate reality. Is a "clean" Gable a for-sure bet to beat Cassar? No. But it would have helped.

Except he was close enough the first time to win and Cassar’s homework created separation.

IMO: Gable was considered the second coming. Not only did he not arrive but someone else repeated a pathway discovered by the recent gold medalist. Cassar put that piece of studying to good work.

Cassar was impressive on nearly every level. I wanna see what he has for another year and on the FS circuit. ....cause right now there are two 225er HWT champions that have to meet each other. Don’t ignore the similarities between Cassar and Snyder.

 

[RandyL]

Dont they still do the placement medals where all 8 AA get up on the tiered thingamajig.
I was always interested in how they interact with each other at that point
I dont recall seeing any of that on tv

 

[bilichjl]

They don't interact at all usually.

 

[razpsu]

So, I am starting this off being honest about what I thought Anthony's chances were. I thought Gable was going to manhandle him the second time around, but I am pleased he did not and in awe by Anthony's wrestling. Watching Gable's matches from earlier in the year, his freestyle matches and looking at his past results against big names, it made me wary that the first match was just a fluke.

I'm genuinely surprised by Gable. I thought he was going to be 4/4 no losses ever. He doesn't seem to be able to turn it up like he needs to. What do you guys think?

He needs to lose that belly. I noticed in the first match that he was gassed in the 3rd and Cassar took advantage. Interesting to see how their weight program will help him

 

[phelpsp]

huh? You always have a surprise or two for us. I can't ever recall that phrase being used on this board.
He is ready to teach AP Macro.
what's gotten into you @lionlover? Generally, I expect you to talk more along the lines of how @JBott did in this post:



(Sorry @JBott. I had to borrow your post, and use it out of context. Just an ongoing joke with @lionlover)

 

[manatree]

If taking 3rd as a true freshman is disappointing, my life is abysmal.

Bingo.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Dont they still do the placement medals where all 8 AA get up on the tiered thingamajig.
I was always interested in how they interact with each other at that point
I dont recall seeing any of that on tv

Award ceremony for each weight is held during the TV timeouts. Not much interaction on the podium but they do while they are waiting to for the award ceremony.

 

[RandyL]

Award ceremony for each weight is held during the TV timeouts. Not much interaction on the podium but they do while they are waiting to for the award ceremony.

Aah yes...the podium thingamajig.
I used to enjoy seeing them, or seeing which of them, shake hands either while stepping up or while standing there. Makes sense they are doing that during commercials.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Aah yes...the podium thingamajig.
I used to enjoy seeing them, or seeing which of them, shake hands either while stepping up or while standing there. Makes sense they are doing that during commercials.

This year was even better as the gathering place before the awards wasn't underneath the stands out of our sight. It was 8 seats in plain sight of everyone.

 

[Uncle Fester Addams]

Steveson's lifestyle caught up with him. He doesn't practice hard, he parties his brains out and it's clear that with his elite athleticism and god-given ability he can still place 3rd at NCAAs as an of-age true freshman.

There's a reason there's only one Cael Sanderson, one Kyle Snyder. Lifestyle is everything at this level.

even i understood this dimwhits attempt at stupidity fun...he is good at it. i just hope others understand it too.

 

[Uncle Fester Addams]

If taking 3rd as a true freshman is disappointing, my life is abysmal.

One little note about Gable. He popped in to watch the state finals in MN. The poor guy no more than sat down and had a steady line of kids and adults coming down (lower bowl in Xcel Center) throughout the entire finals. I legitimately felt bad for the dude, as he was there to watch AV and his friends/future teammates compete. It would've been easy, though unpopular, to try to enjoy that. Instead, he (from afar) seemed super genuine and was awesome to everyone who came up. So like, good on him, man.

If I had even 1/10th of his ability, I'd have 50x his ego.

you were there? oh my. i got an autograph on my dome. that gable is a solid young lad.

 

[LHavenlion]

How does one post a pic from iPhone photos (not an image on the internet)? Thanks.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

How does one post a pic from iPhone photos (not an image on the internet)? Thanks.

you first upload it to a supported image hosting service like imgur, then use the image upload button

 

[LHavenlion]

This year was even better as the gathering place before the awards wasn't underneath the stands out of our sight. It was 8 seats in plain sight of everyone.