Gilman pre-facemushes the Pokes

[El-Jefe]

Iowa’s Thomas Gilman didn’t hold back when asked about the characteristics he can expect from an Oklahoma State opponent when the third-ranked Hawkeyes travel to Stillwater, Okla., to face the top-ranked Cowboys on Sunday.

“Stalling,” said Gilman, who is top-ranked at 125 and will have No. 12 Nick Puccininni. “They have a small mat down there. They don’t like to wrestle hard. They’ll fool you. They’ll say they want to wrestle hard … they want to play the edge and run around. They like to dance around and grab and twist your ankle.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/s...els-good-after-return-to-competition-20170111

 

[Abro1975]

Great quote from Gilman. Sounds like he was waiting for the opportunity to be asked, lol. I think Iowa wins a close one against Ok St.

 

[dunkej01]

Best quotes of the year!

 

[jammenz]

Iowa is gonna get blown out and Gilman might be the first to get spanked after that comment.

 

[nitlion6]

Iowa is gonna get blown out and Gilman might be the first to get spanked after that comment.

Paraphrasing el-jefe.
Print it on a tee shirt, or it didn't happen.

Oh nevermind, that really isn't applicable here.

 

[Abro1975]

Iowa is gonna get blown out and Gilman might be the first to get spanked after that comment.

Gilman will MD or TF Pic. The match will be decided by 3 points or less, you can flip a coin who the winner is.

 

[El-Jefe]

Iowa is gonna get blown out and Gilman might be the first to get spanked after that comment.

shut up

 

[purescurve]

Agree on thomas winning. At least he is taking picc seriously. He seems to have his priorities in order. Suriano isn't in his head, yet...

 

[21Guns]

Simply awesome. Loved the quotes.

 

[matter7172]

Nothing like giving your opponent increased incentive.

 

[dunkej01]

Iowa is gonna get blown out and Gilman might be the first to get spanked after that comment.

To be honest the result for psu fans is a winner either way. Especially the followers of this board.

If ok st wins we will enjoy the HR meltdown. If iowa wins we move up in the rankings and adds excitement to our match next week.

Not sure which I prefer. But I did pick ok st to put it on them.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Man, he ran right into the middle of their huddle and smacked 'em upside the head.

 

[El-Jefe]

To be honest the result for psu fans is a winner either way. Especially the followers of this board.

If ok st wins we will enjoy the HR meltdown. If iowa wins we move up in the rankings and adds excitement to our match next week.

Not sure which I prefer. But I did pick ok st to put it on them.

I want to see Iowa win. Midlands told us who they are. Beating the Pokes on the road would tell us who the Pokes are, much earlier than the NWCA Duals. Pokes winning a bunch of close low-scoring matches probably doesn't tell us much about the Pokes. Pokes with a bunch of blowouts would, but isn't so good for us.

OTOH, Pokes win could set up an Orange Bowl matchup next month ...

 

[diggerpup]

That's funny and everything, but I would serious freak out if a PSU wrestler ever made a public comment like that.

As a PSU alum and fan, I get a lot of enjoyment on watching the kids win with class and grace.

I'm sure our kids think that at times, but you can't say that publicly.

To each their own. Let the Hawkeyes corner the market on those antics.

 

[johnstownsteel]

That's funny and everything, but I would serious freak out if a PSU wrestler ever made a public comment like that.

As a PSU alum and fan, I get a lot of enjoyment on watching the kids win with class and grace.

I'm sure our kids think that at times, but you can't say that publicly.

To each their own. Let the Hawkeyes corner the market on those antics.

I'm in the same camp as you digger. I'd hope none of our guys ever carry themselves this way. I'd actually be curious what Caels opinion would be if one of his wrestlers carried himself in the manner Gilman does. I admit though, I'm old school in my thinking and probably outdated as far as how I think athletes should act. I think you walk quietly but carry a big stick. What's that saying..."act like you've been there before..."

I like some of Gobblins comments about this over on HR. I feel the same way he does and admire he wasn't afraid to give his honest thoughts on it all. I'd also agree with Gobblin in that Gilman hasn't accomplished anything that gives him the right to talk the way he does.

 

[TangSoo]

He's a heavy favorite over Picc. It's like a pitcher in the American League headhunting. He's writing checks several of his teammates are going to have to try to cash. I'll take our brand of leaders all day every day.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

That's funny and everything, but I would serious freak out if a PSU wrestler ever made a public comment like that.

As a PSU alum and fan, I get a lot of enjoyment on watching the kids win with class and grace.

I'm sure our kids think that at times, but you can't say that publicly.

To each their own. Let the Hawkeyes corner the market on those antics.

If any team has earned the right to make such a comment, it's PSU - but are the last team that would do it as it doesn't "jive" with the pedigree of the program (like their coach, they let their actual on-mat wrestling do their talking for them). Over the past 5 years, Iowa hasn't exactly lit up the mat with scoring offense either, so it's a bit of the pot criticizing the kettle....if you ask me, but maybe that's just me.

 

[slushhead]

I'm in the same camp as you digger. I'd hope none of our guys ever carry themselves this way. I'd actually be curious what Caels opinion would be if one of his wrestlers carried himself in the manner Gilman does. I admit though, I'm old school in my thinking and probably outdated as far as how I think athletes should act. I think you walk quietly but carry a big stick. What's that saying..."act like you've been there before..."

I like some of Gobblins comments about this over on HR. I feel the same way he does and admire he wasn't afraid to give his honest thoughts on it all. I'd also agree with Gobblin in that Gilman hasn't accomplished anything that gives him the right to talk the way he does.

Sportsmanship is dying. Wrestlers are starting to emulate behavior seen in MMA and in boxing before it. Unfortunately, some of these guys are jawing like basketball, baseball, and football players. Big talk when they know full well any fight that breaks out will be broken up. I guarantee you Berger doesn't spout off like he did if it was just Terry and him alone in the arena. Gilman doesn't run into the opposing team's huddle, bypass his opponent to shake hands with someone else on the opposing team, or talk smack to the media about an opposing team if he actually has to face an entire team alone without his team and a crowd present to break up the impending beatdown. Montoya's dry-hump dance over a prone, defeated Richards was atrocious.

Cael would probably hand down swift and brutal punishment if any of his guys behaved like this. Of course, no one really has to worry about that, because he doesn't recruit guys who behave like this.

Gilman is the #1 guy at his weight. A multi-time AA. A senior. Yet he feels the need, time and again, to disrespect his opponent. It's unfortunate for the sport.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

He's a heavy favorite over Picc. It's like a pitcher in the American League headhunting. He's writing checks several of his teammates are going to have to try to cash. I'll take our brand of leaders all day every day.

Excellent point Tang, he may be a heavy favorite and may win by major or more. Problem is, there are 9 other guys he is shooting his mouth off for, and some of THEIR checks are gonna bounce.

 

[slushhead]

Excellent point Tang, he may be a heavy favorite and may win by major or more. Problem is, there are 9 other guys he is shooting his mouth off for, and some of THEIR checks are gonna bounce.

Wouldn't be surprised if one of those checks is Clark's.

 

[nitlion6]

The year Ohio State finally beat Iowa in a dual (2012) during one of the matches everytime the action would take the wrestlers to the mat's edge the Iowa wrestler would lower his stance and drive the OSU kid out of bounds and the Iowa bench would scream for a stall.

I can not remember if this match was streamed or broadcast, but the announcer pointed out this is just the Iowa style. Drive the action to the edge and half shoot a shot forcing the opponent out of bounds and scream for a stall call.

I started laughing out loud. My dad looked at me snd ask me, did I hear that right. I answered yep. Next time I see him I am going to give him grief for talking smack while broadcasting an event.

Quiet, unassuming James Yonushonis was the announcer who articulated that observation. I still kid him about talking smack about Iowa, but in reality there was nothing wrong with his observation since there was a whole lot of truth to it.

Gilman wrestles to score and I have very little issue with Gilman's statement - there's a lot of truth to his statement.

 

[diggerpup]

What is Gilman's course of action or future comments once any of his Hawkeye teammates are dinged with stalling in this dual ?

Better yet, next week, what will Gilman say to Kemerer when he gets called for stalling against Nolf? What will Gilman say to Sorenson if he gets called for stalling against Zain?

 

[tikk10]

I recall Tom Brands slapping the unquestioned "Leader" label on Gilman to start the season, wonder if he's cringing a little bit. Most coaches definitely would cringe, though I'm unsure about Tom and Terry because they're both pretty outspoken themselves, and I'm guessing Gilman felt he had license. Flo certainly appreciates Gilman's comments.

 

[CropDuster507]

Is he wrong? Or are we mad that he's honest?

I mean, I love watching Gilman lose more than almost anyone else in the nation, but I can't say he's real far off in his comment. He's just not "supposed" to say that because it's not good public manners.

 

[dropster45]

Yep, compare that to Penn State's recent leadership, many who dealt with stalling tactics themselves, but handled it with grace:
Matt Brown, David Taylor, Quentin Wright, Nico Megaludis, Jason Nolf, Zain Retheford...

 

[slushhead]

Is he wrong? Or are we mad that he's honest?

I mean, I love watching Gilman lose more than almost anyone else in the nation, but I can't say he's real far off in his comment. He's just not "supposed" to say that because it's not good public manners.

He's not supposed to say that because it's poor sportsmanship. Calling it "public manners" trivializes the value of sportsmanship.

Respect your opponent. Beat his ass, but show respect. There is a reason why wrestling is one of the rare sports that has traditionally fostered a universal brotherhood. It is the toughest challenge most participants will ever take on, so much so that it demands mutual respect among its members. I shouldn't preach to the choir, but this WWE persona that some coaches and their athletes are taking on is killing one of the last remaining purities in sport.

I stopped watching football years ago because of the rampant, excessive celebration and posing after every play. Then I gave up on baseball because of all the showboating and weak posturing. Wrestling is all I can still tolerate. Probably not for more than another 10 years, though, looking at the track it's on.

 

[slushhead]

I recall Tom Brands slapping the unquestioned "Leader" label on Gilman to start the season, wonder if he's cringing a little bit. Most coaches definitely would cringe, though I'm unsure about Tom and Terry because they're both pretty outspoken themselves, and I'm guessing Gilman felt he had license. Flo certainly appreciates Gilman's comments.

I bet they're not cringing in the least. Probably hoping Gilman can light the fire that they have been failing at since Metcalf graduated. Or they know Gilman needs to do this to build his own confidence -- why object if doing so might reduce your point total at Nationals?

Brands Bros: Evans, Gilman, Ramos

Manning: Berger, Montoya

Sanderson: Name one PSU wrestler who acts like any of the guys listed above.

Few coincidences there.

[One glaring head-scratcher is VaTech -- the wrestlers do not seem to adopt the persona of the coach.]

 

[Dogwelder]

For those who sometimes don't click on links, here is the rest of Gilman's quotes:

“We’re going to go down there,” Gilman said. “We’re going to invade them. We’re going to kick the crap out of them and that’s going to be that. We’ve done that ever since I’ve been here.”

 

[SetonHallPirate]

The year Ohio State finally beat Iowa in a dual (2012) during one of the matches everytime the action would take the wrestlers to the mat's edge the Iowa wrestler would lower his stance and drive the OSU kid out of bounds and the Iowa bench would scream for a stall.

I can not remember if this match was streamed or broadcast, but the announcer pointed out this is just the Iowa style. Drive the action to the edge and half shoot a shot forcing the opponent out of bounds and scream for a stall call.

I started laughing out loud. My dad looked at me snd ask me, did I hear that right. I answered yep. Next time I see him I am going to give him grief for talking smack while broadcasting an event.

Quiet, unassuming James Yonushonis was the announcer who articulated that observation. I still kid him about talking smack about Iowa, but in reality there was nothing wrong with his observation since there was a whole lot of truth to it.

Gilman wrestles to score and I have very little issue with Gilman's statement - there's a lot of truth to his statement.

It was streamed. I remember that weekend quite clearly because (a) I was there, (b) I nearly got killed on the way to my hotel from the meet after my rental car ran out of windshield-wiper fluid on my way back after that meet, (c) it was the weekend Paterno passed away, (d) I remember freaking out on my way to State College wondering if the PSU/Iowa meet would happen after hearing he passed, and (e) Cael finally beat Iowa, his first time ever as head coach.

 

[nitlion6]

I bet they're not cringing in the least. Probably hoping Gilman can light the fire that they have been failing at since Metcalf graduated. Or they know Gilman needs to do this to build his own confidence -- why object if doing so might reduce your point total at Nationals?

Brands Bros: Evans, Gilman, Ramos

Manning: Berger, Montoya

Sanderson: Name one PSU wrestler who acts like any of the guys listed above.

Few coincidences there.

[One glaring head-scratcher is VaTech -- the wrestlers do not seem to adopt the persona of the coach.]

Dresser seems to reserve his "interesting" comments for Iowa. He doesn't appear to need to piss gasoline onto fires as a standard mode of operation.

 

[SRATH]

Just think what he says about PSU.......should be fun.

"PSU, they are not so hot. They have a streak of one national titles, so what.......they have been ducking us at Midlands for years. Heck, they ducked Reno this year.....pussies. They are so afraid of Iowa they won't even pull Mark Hall's redshirt."

All in jest

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I guess I don't have a problem with somebody expressing confidence in themselves and the team, but trashing another proud program in the same quote? Childish would be my explanation. Maybe he should pull up some tape of John Smith putting the beat down on Tom Brands as a reminder that what you see today wasn't always so, and won't always be so. Gilman is an excellent wrestler, but I hope he is getting at least a little education at Iowa along the way. There are really only two types of people-humble people and those on the way to being humbled. Kyle Dake learned that from Mr. Cox recently. I love how humble Cael always was, and I notice Kyle Snyder is humble as well. Strong men with strong souls.

 

[RoarLions1]

There are culture differences between all programs, and no doubt the environment Cael has created (and is still creating) is different in this regard. Trying here to not take a "holier than thou" position, but the fact is, our guys are far less likely to say something like this. Not saying it can't happen, after all we're talking about 18-22 year olds...but I could imagine some of our guys starting an inflammatory sentence, then catching themselves long before it's "out there".

I think Zain's comments at the Coaches Radio Show last week are appropriate. He was asked from the crowd if he gets angry when opponents are aggressive with their face slaps. Zain said "yes" he gets angry, but never loses control and channels all that energy into where it hurts his opponent the most -- on the scoreboard -- he wants to score points even more (hard to imagine, right?!!). Not saying a hard face slap is exactly like calling out your opponent in the media...but you can see how our guys deal with any distraction, be it a mouthy opponent or a guy getting physical on the mat.

 

[yekrut321]

The question we need to be asking ourselves is......is Mike Evans impressed?

 

[PSU Mike]

I think Spencer Lee is going to fill more than the moderate TALENT gap at Iowa. I bet T&T are hoping for the same.

 

[WildTurk]

I love it!

 

[Flying_Tiger]

 

[Dogwelder]

... (b) I nearly got killed on the way to my hotel from the meet after my rental car ran out of windshield-wiper fluid ...

Very scary. I discovered that the sunroof, if a car has one, is very helpful when the windshield wiper fluid is not working. you can shake water from a drinking bottle onto the windshield from the sunroof if the car is moving slowly enough. (At faster speeds, it might still work if a looong-armed co-pilot can stick the water bottle forward enough and low enough.)

 

[Dogwelder]

Very scary. I discovered that the sunroof, if a car has one, is very helpful when the windshield wiper fluid is not working. you can shake water from a drinking bottle onto the windshield from the sunroof if the car is moving slowly enough. (At faster speeds, it might still work if a looong-armed co-pilot can stick the water bottle forward enough and low enough.)

Now that I think of it, if you happen to have rubber tubing in the car, you can spit water (or gatorade, etc.) through it through the sunroof onto the windshield, probably even at high car speed.

 

[jtothemfp]

He's not supposed to say that because it's poor sportsmanship. Calling it "public manners" trivializes the value of sportsmanship.

Respect your opponent. Beat his ass, but show respect. There is a reason why wrestling is one of the rare sports that has traditionally fostered a universal brotherhood. It is the toughest challenge most participants will ever take on, so much so that it demands mutual respect among its members. I shouldn't preach to the choir, but this WWE persona that some coaches and their athletes are taking on is killing one of the last remaining purities in sport.

I stopped watching football years ago because of the rampant, excessive celebration and posing after every play. Then I gave up on baseball because of all the showboating and weak posturing. Wrestling is all I can still tolerate. Probably not for more than another 10 years, though, looking at the track it's on.

These are some great Old Man posts, Slush! LOL, I'm not going anywhere near your lawn. But, as always when your takery is thoughtfully & articulately put forth, you got me thinking. I'm personally a bit torn. I love Gilman, and love they way he talks Iowa Speak. Same with Ramos before him. I find it entertaining. And the bits of truth about the Pokes in this current round of Gilman #realtalk particularly resonate with me.

But I also like sportsmanship and I believe in the notion of respecting your opponents. And I agree with you that Gilman doesn't; he's made that clear.

But I like the way he does it. And...truthfully I don't mind that Gilman doesn't respect his opponents. I'm starting to think I actually don't mind not respecting your opponents in the sport of Wrestling. At least when you're not totally overmatching him with your talent already. The elite HS bro who's on a path to a college or Olympic wrestling career humiliating a dude who's rounding out his education by participating in sports and who probably will never wrestle again after graduation isn't any fun.

I also think *a little bit* of smack talk is good for our sport, which *can* be boring. Gawd! I know I loathe the automaton-sounding interviews far more than any disrespecting talk interviews. I love zPain. But as a general fan, who uses sports for entertainment among other things, gimme Gilman interviews all day.

But I also don't want to see Wrestling smack talk grow to MMA-level smack talk. So, I guess I'm hoping for some nice middle ground. Undoubtedly unrealistically.

But you know my favorite thing about Gilman being a woofer and a Hawk? We get the chances for our guy to shut him the eff up!

Anyway, stay articulate, but don't get too crotchedy too early, Slushbrother! Emoji!