Happy, yes but........

[DrJC]

There is no question that I am happy to hear that the Big Ten will begin play in October. It was not easy watching football this past week when normally I would be watching a PSU game. But I am speaking selfishly in the sense that I miss PSU football and want to again watch it. But my desire comes with a risk. Yes, the Big Ten has proclaimed that they are taking all the precautions possible - as they should. But I am worried about these kids and what we are exposing them to. No question that they would be exposed to risk anyway. We cannot make a perfectly safe environment whether in the classroom or on the football field. And, as some have argued, maybe the football field is safer - maybe. But I would like to know the real motivation for resuming the season. Sorry, I always smell the almighty buck although disguised by a host of noble and wonderful reasons. Let us not forget that there is a tremendous burden on these young men to control themselves and limit their exposure to activities that would increase risk of infection. If they can do that - BRAVO. They will deserve it.

I hope this works out for everyone. And yes, I will enjoy watching PSU but mindful of the fact that this comes with a risk. I hope it is a rewarding season and the players remain safe. Now let's kick some butt!!


WE ARE

 

[LionDeNittany]

Wow... you really saw through the smoke that noone else could! Thanks to your post I now understand that money matters to gigantic University athletic programs.

Amazing!

 

[Lion8286]

There is no question that I am happy to hear that the Big Ten will begin play in October. It was not easy watching football this past week when normally I would be watching a PSU game. But I am speaking selfishly in the sense that I miss PSU football and want to again watch it. But my desire comes with a risk. Yes, the Big Ten has proclaimed that they are taking all the precautions possible - as they should. But I am worried about these kids and what we are exposing them to. No question that they would be exposed to risk anyway. We cannot make a perfectly safe environment whether in the classroom or on the football field. And, as some have argued, maybe the football field is safer - maybe. But I would like to know the real motivation for resuming the season. Sorry, I always smell the almighty buck although disguised by a host of noble and wonderful reasons. Let us not forget that there is a tremendous burden on these young men to control themselves and limit their exposure to activities that would increase risk of infection. If they can do that - BRAVO. They will deserve it.

I hope this works out for everyone. And yes, I will enjoy watching PSU but mindful of the fact that this comes with a risk. I hope it is a rewarding season and the players remain safe. Now let's kick some butt!!


WE ARE

Your ability to state the obvious is to be applauded.

 

[DrJC]

Sometimes the obvious is avoided and denied - conveniently. Just take notice of how many people do not social distance or wear masks. Yes, so sometimes the obvious needs to be restated, restated, restated. thanks for restating it. Anything important on your mind?

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

There is no question that I am happy to hear that the Big Ten will begin play in October. It was not easy watching football this past week when normally I would be watching a PSU game. But I am speaking selfishly in the sense that I miss PSU football and want to again watch it. But my desire comes with a risk. Yes, the Big Ten has proclaimed that they are taking all the precautions possible - as they should. But I am worried about these kids and what we are exposing them to. No question that they would be exposed to risk anyway. We cannot make a perfectly safe environment whether in the classroom or on the football field. And, as some have argued, maybe the football field is safer - maybe. But I would like to know the real motivation for resuming the season. Sorry, I always smell the almighty buck although disguised by a host of noble and wonderful reasons. Let us not forget that there is a tremendous burden on these young men to control themselves and limit their exposure to activities that would increase risk of infection. If they can do that - BRAVO. They will deserve it.

I hope this works out for everyone. And yes, I will enjoy watching PSU but mindful of the fact that this comes with a risk. I hope it is a rewarding season and the players remain safe. Now let's kick some butt!!


WE ARE

You keep suggesting that these kids are at serious health risk if they are infected with the virus which is wholly unsupported by the ACTUAL DATA for this age demographic (ditto the age demographic that are one, two and three decades older than these kids!). The actual data - based on millions of cases in this age demographic - says that they are not at serious risk even if they are infected by the virus, the diametric opposite of what you're claiming, but you're not being political or spinning mistruths to defend the highly politically-motivated actions of politicians in B1G States? lol

 

[LionDeNittany]

You keep suggesting that these kids are at serious health risk if they are infected with the virus which is wholly unsupported by the ACTUAL DATA for this age demographic (ditto the age demographic that are one, two and three decades older than these kids!). The actual data - based on millions of cases in this age demographic - says that they are not at serious risk even if they are infected by the virus, the diametric opposite of what you're claiming, but you're not being political or spinning mistruths to defend the highly politically-motivated actions of politicians in B1G States? lol

Facts? What the hell are those!

Just let the man pontificate and give us his opinion of things. We should accept it as correct, because after all... he's a doctor.

LdN

 

[BobPSU92]

Whatever. Just play f*cking football.

 

[Nitt1300]

And here I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a loser or just a sucker.

 

[Lion8286]

Sometimes the obvious is avoided and denied - conveniently. Just take notice of how many people do not social distance or wear masks. Yes, so sometimes the obvious needs to be restated, restated, restated. thanks for restating it. Anything important on your mind?

I’ll add ”dumb” to obvious to describe your post. Dumb doesn’t need to be restated.

 

[AWS1022]

And here I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a loser or just a sucker.

Let us help, you’re both.

 

[Lion84]

And here I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a loser or just a sucker.

I think you are a Russian asset because you know I read that somewhere from an anonymous source so it must be true - jeeze.

 

[Art]

And here I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a loser or just a sucker.

Wonder if Col Dorfman has figured out what he is.

 

[Lion8286]

And here I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a loser or just a sucker.

You‘re in your own special category.

 

[DrJC]

First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses. You might get a different perspective. We do NOT know the longterm effects of infection with Corona virus. For instance, the wished for notion of herd immunity sadly may NOT apply. There have been reported instances of reinfection. Time will tell on that issue. The issue of myocarditis was not expected (although myocarditis has been around for a very long time). This had to be resolved comfortably. I am not sure where that issue stands at this moment. There is also an issue of the infection spreading to the brain creating cognitive issues. The fact is we don't know. We have just found out that there is a much greater infection with children than realized. They can become spreaders even if not actively symptomatic. And yes, there have been deaths with children and young adults, but you are correct in indicating that death is much, much less frequent - thank God. But should frequency be the determinant in assessing risk? Maybe, maybe not. And, if it was your child how would that play out?

Let's hope it works out well for all. I do appreciate the ability to comment and present my opinions. But they are just that - personal opinions. I am not the source of all knowledge - far from it.

WE ARE!

Just listened to Freimuth and Franklin. Micah might be still a possibility???.

 

[Nitt1300]

You‘re in your own special category.

still waiting for your post backing up your lie

maybe you should create another user account again

 

[Overthereguy]

First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses. You might get a different perspective. We do NOT know the longterm effects of infection with Corona virus. The issue of myocarditis was not expected (although myocarditis has been around for a very long time). This had to be resolved comfortably. I am not sure where that issue stands at this moment. There is also an issue of the infection spreading to the brain creating cognitive issues. The fact is we don't know. We have just found out that there is a much greater infection with children than realized. They can become spreaders even if not actively symptomatic. And yes, there have been deaths with children and young adults, but you are correct in indicating that death is much less frequent - thank God.

Let's hope it works out well for all. I do appreciate the ability to comment and present my opinions. But they are just that - personal opinions. I am not the source of all knowledge - far from it.

WE ARE!

Just listened to Freimuth and Franklin. Micah might be still a possibility???.

Ok, you had me at Micah! Did they really say that was a possibility? That would be awesome.

 

[NC2017]

First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses.

I am licensed RN as is my son and as soon as one subtracts out the deaths that occurred in nursing homes, related to god awful decisions, C19 becomes clear; the threat to young, healthy people isn't worth shutting down both the economy and sports.

#PlayBall

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I am licensed RN as is my son and as soon as one subtracts out the deaths that occurred in nursing homes, related to god awful decisions, C19 becomes clear; the threat to young, healthy people isn't worth shutting down both the economy and sports.

#PlayBall

Exactly!

 

[DrJC]

Ok, you had me at Micah! Did they really say that was a possibility? That would be awesome.

Freimuth was on and did NOT opt out. Asked about Micah - they were a little coy. Sounds like they have talked. Time will tell. I am of the opinion that he could benefit from another year. JUST AN OPINION.

 

[JoeBot409]

There is no question that I am happy to hear that the Big Ten will begin play in October. It was not easy watching football this past week when normally I would be watching a PSU game. But I am speaking selfishly in the sense that I miss PSU football and want to again watch it. But my desire comes with a risk. Yes, the Big Ten has proclaimed that they are taking all the precautions possible - as they should. But I am worried about these kids and what we are exposing them to. No question that they would be exposed to risk anyway. We cannot make a perfectly safe environment whether in the classroom or on the football field. And, as some have argued, maybe the football field is safer - maybe. But I would like to know the real motivation for resuming the season. Sorry, I always smell the almighty buck although disguised by a host of noble and wonderful reasons. Let us not forget that there is a tremendous burden on these young men to control themselves and limit their exposure to activities that would increase risk of infection. If they can do that - BRAVO. They will deserve it.

I hope this works out for everyone. And yes, I will enjoy watching PSU but mindful of the fact that this comes with a risk. I hope it is a rewarding season and the players remain safe. Now let's kick some butt!!


WE ARE

Spare me the safety bullshit. You want to talk safety and football, start with head injuries not Kung Flu. You can get Kung Flu at the grocery store, you can't get CTE. Football ALWAYS had heath risks and will always have heath risks. B10 spread total bullshit about myocarditis; they are a bunch of idiots.

 

[DrJC]

Exactly!

Those are your opinions. I understand that and it seems there are varied experiences. I do know that 190,000 people have died with upwards of 200,000 in next few months. There are some countries where the rate is almost zero because of strong national policies (Canada for one. Check out their mortality rates for past few days)>. Please keep in mind that those children who attend school return to homes with adults and grandparents, many of whom have compromised health situations. But I respect your thoughts on this nasty issue.

 

[LionDeNittany]

"First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses. You might get a different perspective."

There is no different perspective on the factual numbers which are published by the CDC. I can talk to every ICU doctor and nurse in the world and the numbers will not change.

"We do NOT know the longterm effects of infection with Corona virus. For instance, the wished for notion of herd immunity sadly may NOT apply. There have been reported instances of reinfection. Time will tell on that issue."

The old... we do not know the long term effects garbage. Yeah we don't.
However this thing called SCIENCE would imply they are extremely limited.
One thing we do know... from SCIENCE is the long term effects of football. And those are really really bad.

"The issue of myocarditis was not expected (although myocarditis has been around for a very long time). This had to be resolved comfortably. I am not sure where that issue stands at this moment. There is also an issue of the infection spreading to the brain creating cognitive issues. The fact is we don't know. We have just found out that there is a much greater infection with children than realized."

Blah blah blah... spitting out a bunch of crap you have no idea about here and trying to use the lack of facts based on your opinions as a reason to commit to an action.

"They can become spreaders even if not actively symptomatic. And yes, there have been deaths with children and young adults, but you are correct in indicating that death is much, much less frequent - thank God. But should frequency be the determinant in assessing risk? Maybe, maybe not. And, if it was your child how would that play out?"

My children are attending school. Thankfully they reopened.

"I do appreciate the ability to comment and present my opinions. But they are just that - personal opinions."

Yet you state them as facts.

LdN

 

[PearlSUJam]

"First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses. You might get a different perspective."

There is no different perspective on the factual numbers which are published by the CDC. I can talk to every ICU doctor and nurse in the world and the numbers will not change.

"We do NOT know the longterm effects of infection with Corona virus. For instance, the wished for notion of herd immunity sadly may NOT apply. There have been reported instances of reinfection. Time will tell on that issue."

The old... we do not know the long term effects garbage. Yeah we don't.
However this thing called SCIENCE would imply they are extremely limited.
One thing we do know... from SCIENCE is the long term effects of football. And those are really really bad.

"The issue of myocarditis was not expected (although myocarditis has been around for a very long time). This had to be resolved comfortably. I am not sure where that issue stands at this moment. There is also an issue of the infection spreading to the brain creating cognitive issues. The fact is we don't know. We have just found out that there is a much greater infection with children than realized."

Blah blah blah... spitting out a bunch of crap you have no idea about here and trying to use the lack of facts based on your opinions as a reason to commit to an action.

"They can become spreaders even if not actively symptomatic. And yes, there have been deaths with children and young adults, but you are correct in indicating that death is much, much less frequent - thank God. But should frequency be the determinant in assessing risk? Maybe, maybe not. And, if it was your child how would that play out?"

My children are attending school. Thankfully they reopened.

"I do appreciate the ability to comment and present my opinions. But they are just that - personal opinions."

Yet you state them as facts.

LdN

Hittin' the sauce early today, huh?

PbR

 

[KCLion]

Those are your opinions. I understand that and it seems there are varied experiences. I do know that 190,000 people have died with upwards of 200,000 in next few months. There are some countries where the rate is almost zero because of strong national policies (Canada for one. Check out their mortality rates for past few days)>. Please keep in mind that those children who attend school return to homes with adults and grandparents, many of whom have compromised health situations. But I respect your thoughts on this nasty issue.

Yes, they return home, but they need to be responsible about it (they being both the kids and the adults). At some point, you have to be responsible and protect yourself.

Don’t forget, the players are going to be tested daily - they will know if they have it when they return home.

Personally, I am a Cystic Fibrosis double lung transplant recipient, diabetic, in renal failure kidney transplant listed (all of the risks except heart issues) - I choose to let people live their lives and protect myself.

 

[NC2017]

Please keep in mind that those children who attend school return to homes with adults and grandparents, many of whom have compromised health situations. But I respect your thoughts on this nasty issue.

Since you're now presuming to speak for grandparents, as one who checks more comorbidity boxes than I care to admit, not for one second did I, or anyone I know in my age/life category, believe shutting down America is a sound idea.

Why not speak to us rather than for us?

#OpenThingsUp

 

[AWS1022]

First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses. You might get a different perspective. We do NOT know the longterm effects of infection with Corona virus. For instance, the wished for notion of herd immunity sadly may NOT apply. There have been reported instances of reinfection. Time will tell on that issue. The issue of myocarditis was not expected (although myocarditis has been around for a very long time). This had to be resolved comfortably. I am not sure where that issue stands at this moment. There is also an issue of the infection spreading to the brain creating cognitive issues. The fact is we don't know. We have just found out that there is a much greater infection with children than realized. They can become spreaders even if not actively symptomatic. And yes, there have been deaths with children and young adults, but you are correct in indicating that death is much, much less frequent - thank God. But should frequency be the determinant in assessing risk? Maybe, maybe not. And, if it was your child how would that play out?

Let's hope it works out well for all. I do appreciate the ability to comment and present my opinions. But they are just that - personal opinions. I am not the source of all knowledge - far from it.

WE ARE!

Just listened to Freimuth and Franklin. Micah might be still a possibility???.

My wife works as an essential employee and goes to work every day then comes home....she puts me at risk every day....no one seems too worried about the families of the essential workers, so why worry about families of football players when they don’t even have to see each other for months if they are concerned?

 

[Nitt1300]

"First, it would be a good idea to talk with some ICU and ER doctors and nurses. You might get a different perspective."

There is no different perspective on the factual numbers which are published by the CDC. I can talk to every ICU doctor and nurse in the world and the numbers will not change.

"We do NOT know the longterm effects of infection with Corona virus. For instance, the wished for notion of herd immunity sadly may NOT apply. There have been reported instances of reinfection. Time will tell on that issue."

The old... we do not know the long term effects garbage. Yeah we don't.
However this thing called SCIENCE would imply they are extremely limited.
One thing we do know... from SCIENCE is the long term effects of football. And those are really really bad.

"The issue of myocarditis was not expected (although myocarditis has been around for a very long time). This had to be resolved comfortably. I am not sure where that issue stands at this moment. There is also an issue of the infection spreading to the brain creating cognitive issues. The fact is we don't know. We have just found out that there is a much greater infection with children than realized."

Blah blah blah... spitting out a bunch of crap you have no idea about here and trying to use the lack of facts based on your opinions as a reason to commit to an action.

"They can become spreaders even if not actively symptomatic. And yes, there have been deaths with children and young adults, but you are correct in indicating that death is much, much less frequent - thank God. But should frequency be the determinant in assessing risk? Maybe, maybe not. And, if it was your child how would that play out?"

My children are attending school. Thankfully they reopened.

"I do appreciate the ability to comment and present my opinions. But they are just that - personal opinions."

Yet you state them as facts.

LdN

It's highly questionable if the CDC is still publishing accurate numbers. Political interference is rife currently.

 

[royboy]

Those are your opinions. I understand that and it seems there are varied experiences. I do know that 190,000 people have died with upwards of 200,000 in next few months. There are some countries where the rate is almost zero because of strong national policies (Canada for one. Check out their mortality rates for past few days)>. Please keep in mind that those children who attend school return to homes with adults and grandparents, many of whom have compromised health situations. But I respect your thoughts on this nasty issue.

Didn't we see info the other day that several thousand college students have tested positive for the virus, but that the hospitalization rate was virtually zero?

Not able to find the link currently; with your concern and medical standing, I'm sure you could find some data to bring to this discussion?

 

[LionDeNittany]

It's highly questionable if the CDC is still publishing accurate numbers. Political interference is rife currently.

I do not disagree with this. However, currently their information matches what is shown on a state by state level.
Also internationally, the numbers mostly agree with the US statistics.

Fact remains this disease is of little to no concern for young healthy adults. And, for the most part, healthy older adults.

LdN

 

[Overthereguy]

It's highly questionable if the CDC is still publishing accurate numbers. Political interference is rife currently.

Seriously? Are you guys really getting that desperate?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

There is no question that I am happy to hear that the Big Ten will begin play in October. It was not easy watching football this past week when normally I would be watching a PSU game. But I am speaking selfishly in the sense that I miss PSU football and want to again watch it. But my desire comes with a risk. Yes, the Big Ten has proclaimed that they are taking all the precautions possible - as they should. But I am worried about these kids and what we are exposing them to. No question that they would be exposed to risk anyway. We cannot make a perfectly safe environment whether in the classroom or on the football field. And, as some have argued, maybe the football field is safer - maybe. But I would like to know the real motivation for resuming the season. Sorry, I always smell the almighty buck although disguised by a host of noble and wonderful reasons. Let us not forget that there is a tremendous burden on these young men to control themselves and limit their exposure to activities that would increase risk of infection. If they can do that - BRAVO. They will deserve it.

I hope this works out for everyone. And yes, I will enjoy watching PSU but mindful of the fact that this comes with a risk. I hope it is a rewarding season and the players remain safe. Now let's kick some butt!!


WE ARE

Well, money, and not common sense, is the only reason for week 9.

Instead of starting on October 10 or 17, and having week 9 or 10 as wiggle room to play any needed make up games to determine Division Champs, they decided to delay the start until October 24 where there is NO wiggle room. What that did is force them to have to play 6 meaningless games between the also rans on Championship week to satisfy the TV partners.

THAT is where money and brain dead stupidity for their needless procrastination and early cancellation becomes more important than the "safety of the players".

 

[Lion84]

Seriously? Are you guys really getting that desperate?

It's people like that and politician posturing about politics that is going to prolong the pandemic by making people afraid to get the vaccine when it comes out - truly terrible. First it was killing people in Nursing Homes and now this.

 

[berklion]

Why do people complain that Covid will be over on Nov. 4. It's obvious that it was over when football season started.

 

[katchthis]

1. I talk to docs and nurses everyday. Most are in the camp of cautious optimism. The mantra continues to be use masks, socially distance, wash hands, and protect/shelter the vulnerable.

2. Most recent PA Health Dept. Stats
AGE___________ % PA POPULATION ___________ % CASES __________ % DEATHS
0-9___________________ 11.0__________________________ 2.1____________________ 0.0
10-19__________________12.4__________________________ 7.2 ____________________0.0
20-29_________________13.1___________________________18.0____________________ 0.2

3. With colleges back in session, and some with in person attendance classes, there has been an uptick in cases. I have not really read anything stating more hospitalizations, and deaths are occurring in college age students. All the negative press has been outbreaks secondary to college parties.

 

[katchthis]

I do not disagree with this. However, currently their information matches what is shown on a state by state level.
Also internationally, the numbers mostly agree with the US statistics.

Fact remains this disease is of little to no concern for young healthy adults. And, for the most part, healthy older adults.

LdN

In PA, you have to look at ages 60-69 till the % of deaths is equally represented by the percentage of the population. For ages 19 and under, PA Dept. of Health has the % of deaths listed as 0.0 while it is 23.4 % of our state population. For ages 20-29, this population represents only 0.2% of the deaths, while it 13.1 % of our state population. The numbers do not get really crazy until over age 80.

 

[LionDeNittany]

In PA, you have to look at ages 60-69 till the % of deaths is equally represented by the percentage of the population. For ages 19 and under, PA Dept. of Health has the % of deaths listed as 0.0 while it is 11% of our state population. For ages 20-29, this population represents only 0.2% of the deaths, while it 13.1 % of our state population. The numbers do not get really crazy until over age 80.

Yes.
And of those deaths the pct that were extremely unhealthy is very high.

I am waiting to see the excess death numbers in the coming months. I expect them to drop below trend.

We will see.

LdN

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

You keep suggesting that these kids are at serious health risk if they are infected with the virus which is wholly unsupported by the ACTUAL DATA for this age demographic (ditto the age demographic that are one, two and three decades older than these kids!). The actual data - based on millions of cases in this age demographic - says that they are not at serious risk even if they are infected by the virus, the diametric opposite of what you're claiming, but you're not being political or spinning mistruths to defend the highly politically-motivated actions of politicians in B1G States? lol

BUSHIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BOSCO2]

If our players get COVID it won't be from playing football. It'll be from contact with other students. JMO.

 

[psuro]

Your ability to state the obvious is to be applauded.

He has to otherwise you would never be able to figure it out.

You are welcome.

 

[katchthis]

Yes.
And of those deaths the pct that were extremely unhealthy is very high.

I am waiting to see the excess death numbers in the coming months. I expect them to drop below trend.

We will see.

LdN

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