Given that he didn't play LB in high school I don't think there's any doubt that another year would be beneficial in terms of his instincts at LB. But he's also a projected top 10/15 pick already, with some saying maybe even top 5. The upside of a return doesn't have a lot more room to move, but an injury could be devastating. There's also the potential upside at a team level... winning games and possibly conference or national championships. These are all factors Micah is undoubtedly well aware of and ultimately the risk vs. reward decision is up to him. Either way I'll support his decision. I will add that as a player that many felt may have character issues stemming from his high school days I think Micah has proven to be a tremendous asset both on and off the field, and I think he's been a great ambassador for all things Penn State.
Happy, yes but........
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I also think this is more likely than getting it from football activities. The uncontrolled campus and town environment has always been more risky in terms of contracting it, severity aside. That's why I found it amusing that universities were opening up campus, dorms and classrooms but cancelling football, when the opposite would have made more sense.
Is The Coronavirus Crisis Finally Over? A Nobel Laureate Says It Might Be
We’re not declaring that the virus is finished. But it’s clearly not the threat it once was.issuesinsights.com
Yeah I have been watching that exact chart. Factually though there is a lot of late reporting so any analysis on the most recent numbers is faulty as it can only and will rise.
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Let me repeat then let it go. I think there is little question that younger people are less likely to suffer dire consequences from the illness. That is not necessarily the point. That does not yet suggest that they are less likely to contract the virus. They can be spreaders. If that is wrong, then I will happily be corrected. Again, yes, I am happy to see my team playing again. But I do no think it comes without risks. And yes, they are trying to do everything to lessen those risks - BRAVO. But let us not get silly and believe this is all happening without some risk. My feeling is that if one, or two, or three should succumb to the illness - that is statistically significant to family and loved ones. It is not strictly a case of statistics.
Great. You provided no data, tried to appear reasonable, and still told us how virtuous and compassionate you are.
OMG, you are totally changing your argument. In your original post you said this:
Then after everyone proved there is no risk to the "kids", you're saying you are worried about others they may infect. Make up your f'ing mind!
FWIW, my daughter is a 20 year old college student (not at PSU) and she contracted COVID within a week of being back at school. She had very minor symptoms and isolated for 10 days. She was back working in a nursing home shortly after that (she is a nursing student).
Coronavirus: COVID Deaths in U.S. by Age, Race
While coronavirus is obviously concerning and a very real threat to some people (namely, the elderly and immunocompromised), these data also show that the risk for the rest of the population is quite low.
This article references what is probably the most respected COVID Study based on worldwide statistics - it projects the "Infection Fatality Rate" (IFR) for age groups as follows:
5 - 9 years at 0.0016%
10 - 19 years at 0.00032%
20 - 49 years at 0.0092%
50 - 64 years at 0.14%
65 years and over at 5.6%
All Ages at 0.64%
Those numbers are staggering in how revealing they are. This nonsense about risk to kids is beyond ridiculous.
Hey Hey Hey....quit trying to suggest fact use when there is fear to spread. There's an election in 6 weeks dammit!
333 people between the age of 15-24 have died "involving" COVID-19. That is an astounding .18% of all COVID deaths. Do you get that? That's almost 2/10ths of 1 percent? And don't try to tell me about co-morbidities, mister!
During the same period of time, 20,786 people between 15-24 have died of all causes. COVID was present in an astounding 1.6% of those. I can't believe you are willing to put these athletes in top physical shape, in the prime of their lives, at risk so you can sit in your living room with no risk and get enjoyment. sad
No doubt, it is ridiculous. Nothing but fear-mongering demogoguery by politicized media outlets acting as Propaganda-Generating PACs, rather than "News Agencies", and doing the bidding of their chosen political party.
I posted the article above which references the following morbidity by age group (see the rates directly below). These rates are taken from what is considered the most comprehensive and respected COVID Study based on worldwide statistics - it projects the "Infection Fatality Rate" (IFR) for age groups as follows:
5 - 9 years at 0.0016%
10 - 19 years at 0.00032%
20 - 49 years at 0.0092%
50 - 64 years at 0.14%
65 years and over at 5.6%
It is beyond shocking that the public is not being told the truth about the danger of this virus to the general public which is very negligible except to a very specific portion of the population - the very elderly and those with compromised immune systems due to pre-existing conditions - which represent a very small percentage of the general public and there are better ways to protect against the risks this portion faces without shutting down our economy.... which is unprecedented and beyond absurd.
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If any member of my family dies in any way I don't care what the odds were of it happening or what they died from. Take the emotions out of the decision making. I still let my kids drive a car and hang out with their friends. At the end of the day I am more worried about them being on the road than in what they may bring home (edit: illness and not women...I'm kind of worried about the latter too).
Yea, this same fear-mongering media predicted the number would be 3 - 5 million by this time at the height of their fear-mongering propaganda and hysteria back in late-March / early-April. But gee, let's forget about all the bullshit "supposed facts" they were propagating now that it is factually proven to be the utter nonsense it always was.
So what is your point? That if Big10 plays football that number will go up and it wouldn't if they hadn't played? This is a serious health issue and not to be taken lightly but also not to peddle hysteria into the general population which many have tried to do. The news always publishes number of death but doesn't tell you if there is a percentage increase or increase in hospitalizations etc - from what I have seen the curve has been flattened almost everywhere in the US.
Are you an actual medical doctor?
Or a Doctor in the sense that Dr. Jill Biden is? Jill has a Ph.D, but was able to fool Whoopi Goldberg into thinking she was an MD.
You seem allergic to data and statistics.
Remember when the left media was pedaling that the Death Rate for the overall population was likely as high as 3% (which is what they used to project 3 - 5 million dead by the end of September - and this number assumed the total shutdowns which were put in place at the time.... they projected astronomical numbers with no shutdown)? The actual overall Death Rate for those infected is proving to be around 0.64% the Death rate for those under the age of 65 is something on the order of 0.03% (i.e., about the same as a severe flu, such as the swine flu, for this age demographic).
I posted an article above which references what is probably the most respected COVID Study based on worldwide statistics - it projects the "Infection Fatality Rate" (IFR) for age groups as follows:
5 - 9 years at 0.0016%
10 - 19 years at 0.00032%
20 - 49 years at 0.0092%
50 - 64 years at 0.14%
65 years and over at 5.6%
All ages at 0.64%
The alarmist, fear-mongering, political-propagandizing press would have you believe that all segments of society run a substantial risk of death if infected by the virus which simply is not the case.
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Remember, even the guy who finishes last in his class in med school gets to be called doctor.
No doubt.
My 3 year old has been back in pre-school since mid june(3 months)...3yos are disgusting runny nose, shoe-licking, germ spreaders. Pre-schools are pretty much universally open at this point and it's been just fine. But somehow if you are age 5-24, it's too dangerous to be in a classroom or stadium because they might be "spreaders"...uh huh....sure...keep wearing that porous piece of cotton on your face and thinking it creates a meaningful barrier against a microscopic pathogen.
The "science" crowd has decided to abandon science in favor of fear. Flatten the curve became stay home until there's a vaccine. Scientific definition means we are no longer in a pandemic. Infection and Death rates are now below previous stated requirements for safely reopening.
Leaked emails in Nashville between the mayor and Heath Dept discuss that opening of bars and restaurants has only led to 80 total cases and that they cannot release this info to the public b/c it will undermine their policy.
A revolt is coming. The time is now. Get the kids back in school. Keep the old and sick people home as warranted. Stop the nonsense.
"Your ability to state the obvious is to be applauded."
I've noticed over the years 4 or 5 year old 8286, at LEAST 99 9/10% of the time, only posts criticism of posts, or "awhole" comments like this, so enjoy! He, she or it never contributes anything else. Must be a very lonely person with no family, co-workers or friends that like him!
The Nashville thing is crazy. And it's not limited to one political side. Liberals and conservatives both own and/or work in the hospitality industry in Nashville, an industry that has been decimated based on false data. I'm guessing the dem mayor will be sacrificed. He has served his purpose.
No one cares as long as the stats don't include someone you care about. Your deaths are a sacrifice I am willing to make after all. As long as you view this as someone else's problem (the old, the already sick, the liberals, etc.) you can dismiss anything with the greatest of ease. IMO, it is a general human survival trait to look the other way at a catastrophic problem. Processing something like viral death happening to you or your family is so foreign to this day in age that it naturally would invoke almost instantaneous denial that it could happen or is happening. See the denial that the statistics are even correct as evidence.
But since the numbers are correct, 200,000 dead Americans for what greater purpose? So that we could get the plans to the death star? So that we would all shake off the "liberal media fear" and say "hey kid, throw that football in the end-zone so we can eat pizza in my living room in memory of the 200,000 fallen who were gone too soon (unless they were old and I didn't know them in which case who cares?)" As my president would say, "sad!"
I do not believe anything life threatening with this virus will happen to a college football player in the immediate future (everyone who comes into contact with them is another story). But if a PSU football player drops over, some people on this board would immediately go into "next man up" mode or "we can't let fear win" mode or "okay, so one guy out of how many died; why should that stop Micah from getting first round draft money?" mode or some other fun slogan from memes that Russians post on facebook for their masturbatory entertainment. That tells you all you need to know. But, then again, I suppose that one unfortunate player knew what he signed up for. As my president also says "sucker!"
What a giant piece of political nonsense.
By your analysis we should eliminate automobiles worldwide and save millions of lives.
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Really??? So we should discontinue driving privileges if it can be shown that it will save even one life of someone close to us, let alone the tens of thousands that we can irrefutably prove it would??? Gee, why wasn't this proposed, let alone enacted long, long ago, using your irrational logic? BTW, you are aware that Swine Flu killed 150,000 Americans just a few short years ago under President Barack Obama, but there was never a political call by the left to shut down the economy, let alone actually doing it. Can you explain that using your pathetic, self-righteous pablum?
The argument by these types is always "total deaths" vs. some magical land where there are zero deaths and no-one ever needs to work.
The argument you and I are using is Total Deaths vs. Incremental Deaths with reopening and all of this over running an economy, allowing people to keep their homes and businesses or continuing to leverage the future of the country and subjecting people to default.
It's rather pointless arguing with them as they seem to not understand math, statistics (also math) and science.
LdN
I did not know that. Can you please provide a link to that data?
Two geniuses here. The car analogy is tired and doesn't work. If I get into a car accident and go home, no one in my household is at risk for getting injured because I got into a car accident. If I catch COVID and bring it home, someone in my house can get injured because I caught it and brought it home. It's really not that hard to understand the difference between the two.
If you are referring to the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, someone go tell the CDC that 150,000 Americans died from it. Their webpage says 12,469 Americans died. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html.
How many of those 200,000 does playing football or because of football? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
No-one said the car analogy was a perfect analogy. However, as an analogy it perfectly illustrates the stupidity of your position.
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So why about family members of essential workers (like me)? Where’s the outrage that I have to be exposed because my wife needs to go to work? Football players don’t have to interact with their older family members, therefore they don’t pose as much of a risk to others as essential workers. Quit crying about football and start crying about bigger risks.
In all your virtue signaling about how deeply you care, you failed to take into account the fact that the players themselves WANT to play; that their families WANT them to play. But you know what's best for them, right? Just silly. It's been asked on here multiple times and I've never seen an answer so maybe you can answer it for me: why is Journey Brown the football player such a greater risk in your mind than Journey Brown the student/citizen? What is about playing football that makes you think he's going to become a walking petri dish, infecting anyone who comes within 10 feet of him? And why won't that happen if he doesn't play football and is just a regular student? You seem to have all of the answers. So let's hear it.
Your statement reflects that you are willing to devalue certain human life based on your own self serving priorities. Your statement is the equivalent of "how many of those 200,000 are Americans?" "None, so who cares." "Are all of those 200,000 white?" "They are? Then who cares."
This makes no sense. It appears in the first sentence that you are admitting that the analogy is not a good one, but then in the very next sentence you say that it actually is a good analogy because "I suck." I may suck, but I need to ask for some non-biased evidence or testimony if I can confirm same. And just because I may suck, that does not mean that your car analogy is still good.
Two different points here.
1. The outrage over football is that it is nonessential and its playing can potentially increase social contact which creates more opportunities for the virus to spread to others, including essential workers, the elderly, etc. We need people like your wife to get us through this and we, as a society, have a duty to do the best we can to protect her and her household. We don't need football players and playing football does not accomplish the goal of doing the best we can for our essential workers and their families.
2. Football players may not interact with older family members and perhaps they can become perfect little bubble people. But they will interact with someone at some point. If one of those people then comes into contact with your wife, disaster could result. All because we wanted to beat Michigan? So silly. Further, all of the money spent on making sure these college players are safe should be spent by these universities on finding a cure for this thing so that everyone can go back to normal as soon as possible. So, in reality, it directly relates to THE biggest issue of this whole mess.
You are such an ass....my statement does not devalue any life....I asked how many of those 200,000 died playing football? Only a dick would equate that to Americans or what race people are, so f**k you dick. My opinion isn’t just about football (I know, that may blow your little mind), my opinion is about everything....we need to open up and get back to living....you go hide in your basement little man.
Yes, well stated.
Football is a cog in the big wheel of the economy.
The economy is necessary to life.
These emotional folks just do not seem to get it.
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. Between April 12, 2009, and April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates swine flu caused 60.8 million illnesses, 273,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S.
A "pigskin" rumor for the fall 2021 season 🤔
CDC: New swine flu strain in China a ‘potential pandemic concern’
U.S. health officials are tracking a newly discovered strain of swine flu in China they say has the characteristics of viruses with potential to cause a human pandemic. However, the virus has not been detected in the U.S.
Researchers conducting surveillance on pigs in China found genotype 4 (G4) Eurasian avian-like H1N1 viruses have been detected since 2016, as they reported in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The strain has genes from a mix of pig, avian and human viruses and genes from the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic virus. Genetic material can mix in an animal host through a process called reassortment, creating a new virus, according to Flor M. Munoz, M.D., M.Sc., FAAP, a member of the AAP Committee on Infectious Diseases.
The new strain appears to grow well in human airway epithelial cells and possesses “all the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans,” according to the study.
Testing of 338 swine workers in China found 10% had evidence of a past infection. There are no reports of person-to-person transmission, but experts say the virus may continue to adapt and mutate.
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Much less than that even according to the most comprehensive research based on worldwide cases.
According to the most respected COVID Study based on worldwide statistics - it projects the "Infection Fatality Rate" (IFR) for age groups as follows:
5 - 9 years at 0.0016%
10 - 19 years at 0.00032%
20 - 49 years at 0.0092%
50 - 64 years at 0.14%
65 years and over at 5.6%
All age groups at 0.64%
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