Harbaugh and Michigan leave another recruit scrambling days prior to NSD

[MilesBarkley]

Harbaugh and Michigan just informed a 3-star recruit that he will not be allowed to sign his LOI on Wednesday during the February NSD.

• Kid committed to Michigan back in November, where he since took an OV to UM and had in-home visits with UM staff.
• Staff told him that he should get his GPA up to sign in February. He since scored a 30 on ACT and increased his GPA. UM Director of Recruiting told him he was "good to go" to sign with UM in February after his Fall semester.
• After early-entry deadline, and Michigan found out that some players were coming back (Patterson, Hill, etc.), he was told that he would have to go to prep school and reclassify to 2020 class to come to Michigan.
• Michigan told his family that they would like to use his scholarship for a DL grad-transfer in 2019

How Jimmy and UM continue to get away with this year after year and not have been bit in the a** on the recruiting trail yet is beyond me?

It is every year that Michigan is in the headlines for at least one of their verbal commits scholarships getting pulled days prior to them signing with UM on NSD.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...gan-football-amauri-pesek-hickson/2767007002/

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/20...n-reconsiders-his-commitment-to-michigan.html

https://www.maizenbrew.com/michigan...ickson-will-not-sign-loi-national-signing-day

 

[NittanyOpp]

Disgusting

 

[cjrugger]

Going to continue to happen as long as he's the coach. Family would be nuts to believe the 'go to prep school and we'll take you next year' line

 

[Thomas1945]

Harbaugh and Michigan just informed a 3-star recruit that he will not be allowed to sign his LOI on Wednesday during the February NSD.

• Kid committed to Michigan back in November, where he since took an OV to UM and had in-home visits with UM staff.
• Staff told him that he should get his GPA up to sign in February. He since scored a 30 on ACT and increased his GPA. UM Director of Recruiting told him he was "good to go" to sign with UM in February after his Fall semester.
• After early-entry deadline, and Michigan found out that some players were coming back (Patterson, Hill, etc.), he was told that he would have to go to prep school and reclassify to 2020 class to come to Michigan.
• Michigan told his family that they would like to use his scholarship for a DL grad-transfer in 2019

How Jimmy and UM continue to get away with this year after year and not have been bit in the a** on the recruiting trail yet is beyond me?

It is every year that Michigan is in the headlines for at least one of their verbal commits scholarships getting pulled days prior to them signing with UM on NSD.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...gan-football-amauri-pesek-hickson/2767007002/

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/20...n-reconsiders-his-commitment-to-michigan.html

https://www.maizenbrew.com/michigan...ickson-will-not-sign-loi-national-signing-day

Whose going to stop him? The NCAA is a corrupt broken organization where the Michigan’s of the World do as they please. Now if Eastern Michigan tried that all hell would descend on them to protect the “ student athlete “.

 

[Obliviax]

Grad xfer and Portal make predicting 'ships even more difficult than before. There was always this black magic to predicting how many kids would quit, get hurt, or back out of their non-binding verbal before LOI day. Now, add in income/outgoing grad xfers and portal xfers and you've got a complete mess on your hands predicting the 85 man roster limit.

 

[Art]

If the GPA and ACT numbers cited are accurate, it ain't academics that are this kid's problem. But we knew that already.

 

[SaquonCappelletti]

Can Michigan secure him a scholarship at the prep school? If not, he should enroll JUCO and save thousands upon thousands of dollars, even if it means he enrolls at a traditional school in 2021 as opposed to 2020. Or, just say screw UM and go elsewhere. That's probably the smartest thing to do.

 

[Art]

Can Michigan secure him a scholarship at the prep school? If not, he should enroll JUCO and save thousands upon thousands of dollars, even if it means he enrolls at a traditional school in 2021 as opposed to 2020. Or, just say screw UM and go elsewhere. That's probably the smartest thing to do.

Why does this kid have to go to a prep school with an ACT composite of 30? If the numbers are accurate, he's fully qualified. If for whatever reason he decided to go to a junior college, he could come out in 2020.

 

[PSUChicago]

What about Queen Nordins scholarship ? Cant Hairball use that one on the kid instead ?

 

[fastlax16]

Harbaugh and Michigan just informed a 3-star recruit that he will not be allowed to sign his LOI on Wednesday during the February NSD.

• Kid committed to Michigan back in November, where he since took an OV to UM and had in-home visits with UM staff.
• Staff told him that he should get his GPA up to sign in February. He since scored a 30 on ACT and increased his GPA. UM Director of Recruiting told him he was "good to go" to sign with UM in February after his Fall semester.
• After early-entry deadline, and Michigan found out that some players were coming back (Patterson, Hill, etc.), he was told that he would have to go to prep school and reclassify to 2020 class to come to Michigan.
• Michigan told his family that they would like to use his scholarship for a DL grad-transfer in 2019

How Jimmy and UM continue to get away with this year after year and not have been bit in the a** on the recruiting trail yet is beyond me?

It is every year that Michigan is in the headlines for at least one of their verbal commits scholarships getting pulled days prior to them signing with UM on NSD.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...gan-football-amauri-pesek-hickson/2767007002/

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/20...n-reconsiders-his-commitment-to-michigan.html

https://www.maizenbrew.com/michigan...ickson-will-not-sign-loi-national-signing-day

First, you don't know it hasn't cost them kids. In general, no one is going to come out and say Michigan didn't make their final 4 or they picked USC over Michigan because of this. Second, people generally think it won't happen to them.

 

[Lion84]

3-2-1 countdown before we get a Michigan Man in here to defend Hairball with “they all do it” line of BS or it was the kids fault all along.

 

[LionJim]

If the GPA and ACT numbers cited are accurate, it ain't academics that are this kid's problem. But we knew that already.

Lol.

 

[TheGLOV]

Sounds like Revenge Tour Part III bit the kid in the butt!

 

[Art]

Lol.

The line UM is feeding him over academics is a crock. Harbaugh took kids with lesser credentials when he was coaching at Stanford, goddam cocksucker. Gottta admire the composure the kid's father maintains. If it had been me, Dudek would still be trying to unwrap himself from his own intestines.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

The line UM is feeding him over academics is a crock. Harbaugh took kids with lesser credentials when he was coaching at Stanford, goddam cocksucker. Gottta admire the composure the kid's father maintains. If it had been me, Dudek would still be trying to unwrap himself from his own intestines.

Maybe if the kid's mom cooks Jimmah some boogers to eat, then perhaps Jimmah would then relent...

 

[Art]

Maybe if the kid's mom cooks Jimmah some boogers to eat, then perhaps Jimmah would then relent...

As long as she makes 'em extra crispy.

 

[blion72]

If the GPA and ACT numbers cited are accurate, it ain't academics that are this kid's problem. But we knew that already.

kid sounds like a great student - 30 ACT is pretty solid. it is beyond me how any adult can be this unethical. i don't think there are any rules, but there should be and ncaa should enforce. i do not think every school does this. JH is pretty unique - even Saban may not be this bad.

 

[Agoodnap]

There is still another one out there that didn't sign in December yet he verbaled in July. However, this one is from St. John's in DC so JH would have to be very careful to not upset that apple cart.

 

[Art]

kid sounds like a great student - 30 ACT is pretty solid. it is beyond me how any adult can be this unethical. i don't think there are any rules, but there should be and ncaa should enforce. i do not think every school does this. JH is pretty unique - even Saban may not be this bad.

I wouldn't say "great" with a 2.7 average, but it looks like he's seen the light. Again, even with that GPA, kid is more than qualified.

My solution is the instantaneous LOI. Kid commits at any time after completing his junior year of HS, colleges opens an executable LOI in an electronic portal within X days. Kid can then sign whenever he wants and has Y days (cooling off period) from the date of signing to rescind if he so chooses. School can pull it if it hasn't been signed after Z days from its creation. For those with no electronic access, a paper alternative should be available.

Coaches probably wouldn't like it, but they get paid the big bucks so they don't have to like everything.

 

[Judge Smails]

The funny thing is you can read comment after comment from Michigan fans calling JF a "used car salesman".

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

I wouldn't say "great" with a 2.7 average, but it looks like he's seen the light. Again, even with that GPA, kid is more than qualified.

My solution is the instantaneous LOI. Kid commits at any time after completing his junior year of HS, colleges opens an executable LOI in an electronic portal within X days. Kid can then sign whenever he wants and has Y days (cooling off period) from the date of signing to rescind if he so chooses. School can pull it if it hasn't been signed after Z days from its creation. For those with no electronic access, a paper alternative should be available.

Coaches probably wouldn't like it, but they get paid the big bucks so they don't have to like everything.

But where does the BagMan fit into this equation?

 

[Art]

But where does the BagMan fit into this equation?

Same place he fits now.

 

[Delco Lion]

Fool me once, F you, fool me twice,.......

 

[BobPSU92]

TRUST. THE. PROCESSING.

 

[Judge Smails]

JPC

February 4th, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^

Harbaugh is doing what it takes to maximize our chances of success. I’m fine with it.



bronxblue

February 4th, 2019 at 12:19 PM ^

Yeah, they've done this a couple of times now ghosting kids. I said this during the Swenson/Weaver situations, but we are paying these coaches millions of dollars and yet they still don't have the common courtesy to call up a high school kid and tell him they messed up and he can't commit. All of this "maybe the athlete should have read the tea leaves" rationalizations drive me crazy.


M-B Devil Dog

February 4th, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

are you kidding? They very much said it was ONLY IF HE DIDN"T GET HIS GRADES UP. He did and was told by us that everything was good to go, then for us to only back track after a newer and shinier toy needed to be on the team. None of this is the kids fault and it's Harbaughs mismanagement of the scholarship situation that is at fault. this is a complete sucker punch, like I said in my post, had Urban Meyer done this or Dabo, or Nick Saban we would be screaming how they were liars and were shitty people for doing this.

 

[Judge Smails]

M-B Devil Dog

February 4th, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^

It's amazing what we will do to support this BS and justify it. . They told the kid they wanted him but needed to get his grades up, he did and was told everything is good. At that point all the other schools drop out (or before that) I mean it's Michigan, the smaller schools know they won't win this battle. The parents are completely forthright in the fact that his need to get his grades up put's him on the line but again are told you are all good. Then Harbaugh says they want him to go to prep school...but he has a 30 on his ACT, and let's not act like this is some shit score, that get's him in A LOT of Universities and as a student athlete it's ****ing ridiculously good. You can't tell me that every kid on our team has a higher score than 30. So now that we need a defensive linemen his grades aren't good enough? Harbaugh deserves all the shit he should catch for this, They let every opportunity to be forthright with the family but weren't. Again, his ACT score was good, hell damn near good enough to be a normal student, and got his GPA up to where he was told , everything is good. Why the **** does Harbaugh make it so easy for people to make him look like a bumbling fool. he basically sabotaged this kids college career by now forcing them to scramble and find somewhere else to play that probably wasn't high on his list. Everyone that is saying "I'm good with whatever coach needs to do to make us champions". classy, go back on what you told a kid. This kid did everything he was asked of to have the rug pulled out from under him. Had Urban Meyer or Nick Saban done this this site would have been in full on flame mode decrying them of their lack of honesty and lying. Saying they are sleazy and full of shit. They told him prep school was a potential IF he didn't get his grades up but he did and was told everything was good. I'm getting tired of Harbaugh, this moving the goal posts on someone doesn't sit well with me. He didn't find a better recruit for that position who was smarter, he changed his mind on what he needed and concocted a story to make it seem more appetizing. I hope he signs somewhere else



In reply to It's amazing what we will do…by M-B Devil Dog

Jimmyisgod

February 4th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^

I'm with you. This kid got lied to and the impact for him is pretty shitty. And his GPA and ACT as a football player gets him into any program including Northwestern and Stanford.

This is what we signed up for with Harbaugh, I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the first couple kids, but it's no longer a situation where he gets the benefit of the doubt. There are too many kids and families who say they were lied to and misled.

This one seems especially egregious since it seems like it cost him an opportunity for a scholarship at another program at least for now.

It's pretty simple really, don't offer kids a scholarship if you're not sure you are going to honor the offer. If you do make an offer like this, be clear it's not an acceptable offer until X, Y, and Z happens and then when X, Y, and Z happen honor your word.

It is what it is, Harbaugh is trying to win at all costs. Bama and OSU have done similar things, but it seems now the frequency we do it with has surpassed those 2.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

M-B Devil Dog

February 4th, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^

It's amazing what we will do to support this BS and justify it. . They told the kid they wanted him but needed to get his grades up, he did and was told everything is good. At that point all the other schools drop out (or before that) I mean it's Michigan, the smaller schools know they won't win this battle. The parents are completely forthright in the fact that his need to get his grades up put's him on the line but again are told you are all good. Then Harbaugh says they want him to go to prep school...but he has a 30 on his ACT, and let's not act like this is some shit score, that get's him in A LOT of Universities and as a student athlete it's ****ing ridiculously good. You can't tell me that every kid on our team has a higher score than 30. So now that we need a defensive linemen his grades aren't good enough? Harbaugh deserves all the shit he should catch for this, They let every opportunity to be forthright with the family but weren't. Again, his ACT score was good, hell damn near good enough to be a normal student, and got his GPA up to where he was told , everything is good. Why the **** does Harbaugh make it so easy for people to make him look like a bumbling fool. he basically sabotaged this kids college career by now forcing them to scramble and find somewhere else to play that probably wasn't high on his list. Everyone that is saying "I'm good with whatever coach needs to do to make us champions". classy, go back on what you told a kid. This kid did everything he was asked of to have the rug pulled out from under him. Had Urban Meyer or Nick Saban done this this site would have been in full on flame mode decrying them of their lack of honesty and lying. Saying they are sleazy and full of shit. They told him prep school was a potential IF he didn't get his grades up but he did and was told everything was good. I'm getting tired of Harbaugh, this moving the goal posts on someone doesn't sit well with me. He didn't find a better recruit for that position who was smarter, he changed his mind on what he needed and concocted a story to make it seem more appetizing. I hope he signs somewhere else



In reply to It's amazing what we will do…by M-B Devil Dog

Jimmyisgod

February 4th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^

I'm with you. This kid got lied to and the impact for him is pretty shitty. And his GPA and ACT as a football player gets him into any program including Northwestern and Stanford.

This is what we signed up for with Harbaugh, I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the first couple kids, but it's no longer a situation where he gets the benefit of the doubt. There are too many kids and families who say they were lied to and misled.

This one seems especially egregious since it seems like it cost him an opportunity for a scholarship at another program at least for now.

It's pretty simple really, don't offer kids a scholarship if you're not sure you are going to honor the offer. If you do make an offer like this, be clear it's not an acceptable offer until X, Y, and Z happens and then when X, Y, and Z happen honor your word.

It is what it is, Harbaugh is trying to win at all costs. Bama and OSU have done similar things, but it seems now the frequency we do it with has surpassed those 2.

Wow, did Bushie start posting on scUM board as M-B Devil Dog?

 

[Judge Smails]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...layers-talk-best-worst-recruiting/2767203002/

Common theme from recruits that didn't pick Michigan. Feel their coaches are phony.

Marcel Lewis: I was offered by Michigan, but I don’t like Michigan. I feel some of their coaches aren’t genuine. They don’t try to actually get to know the kid and get to know his family.

Lance Dixon: Why not Michigan: I just didn’t feel that the love that they showed was real.

Marvin Grant: Why not Michigan: I didn’t feel like it was home for me, felt like the love wasn’t real.

Ruke Orhorhoro:
Why not Michigan: I didn’t like the vibe from the school or the coaches.

Rod Heard Why not Michigan: I just really never liked Michigan that much. I know some players there and it doesn’t seem like it’s fun. I think a lot of other guys from Michigan in my class kind of have the same viewpoint of Michigan too. It’s just something about it.

 

[Cosmos]

Harbaugh and Michigan just informed a 3-star recruit that he will not be allowed to sign his LOI on Wednesday during the February NSD.

• Kid committed to Michigan back in November, where he since took an OV to UM and had in-home visits with UM staff.
• Staff told him that he should get his GPA up to sign in February. He since scored a 30 on ACT and increased his GPA. UM Director of Recruiting told him he was "good to go" to sign with UM in February after his Fall semester.
• After early-entry deadline, and Michigan found out that some players were coming back (Patterson, Hill, etc.), he was told that he would have to go to prep school and reclassify to 2020 class to come to Michigan.
• Michigan told his family that they would like to use his scholarship for a DL grad-transfer in 2019

How Jimmy and UM continue to get away with this year after year and not have been bit in the a** on the recruiting trail yet is beyond me?

It is every year that Michigan is in the headlines for at least one of their verbal commits scholarships getting pulled days prior to them signing with UM on NSD.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...gan-football-amauri-pesek-hickson/2767007002/

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/20...n-reconsiders-his-commitment-to-michigan.html

https://www.maizenbrew.com/michigan...ickson-will-not-sign-loi-national-signing-day

I can't put it entirely on Harbaugh. These kids talk. They know of the antics. Should they choose to play along then it's of their own free will. Nobody is holding a gun to their head if they're so intent on wearing the winged helmet and running out on the field to that goofy, ostentatious fight song. So in that respect, they get what they ask for. So it caused the kid to raise his ACT. Good for him. Use it! And muck Fishigun. Thank you.

 

[diontechristmas]

Can Michigan secure him a scholarship at the prep school? If not, he should enroll JUCO and save thousands upon thousands of dollars, even if it means he enrolls at a traditional school in 2021 as opposed to 2020. Or, just say screw UM and go elsewhere. That's probably the smartest thing to do.

JUCO’s will burn up eligibility and prep schools typically will not. Not all prep schools are fancy, and places like Milford Academy exist mostly for sports PG years.

Sounds like this kid doesn’t actually have grade issues. They are telling him prep school so he can play ball for a year and not lose any eligibility.

 

[vic.valiant]

You all never knew this guy even existed and could have cared less if you did.

But put Michigan in the equation and its Pavlov mode two minutes of hate.

What a bunch of fake outraged virtue signaling twats you folks are.

Carry on.

Go Blue!

 

[m48tank]

You all never knew this guy even existed and could have cared less if you did.

But put Michigan in the equation and its Pavlov mode two minutes of hate.

What a bunch of fake outraged virtue signaling twats you folks are.

Carry on.

Go Blue!

WHY'DIT take so long for a meatchicken supporter to reply???

 

[ApexLion]

You all never knew this guy even existed and could have cared less if you did.

But put Michigan in the equation and its Pavlov mode two minutes of hate.

What a bunch of fake outraged virtue signaling twats you folks are.

Carry on.

Go Blue!

I see you are shining your half of a national championship while tuning your online rabbit ears. Just as predicted.

What's interesting is that we aren't writing this stuff about Captain Sleepover. He's being written about and we are commenting on our board ya dipsht.

 

[psu00]

The funny thing is you can read comment after comment from Michigan fans calling JF a "used car salesman".

Michigan fans were just posting on their site the other day on how ‘they do things the right way. They aren’t OSU, PSU, and MSU’.

 

[psu00]

What's interesting is that we aren't writing this stuff about Captain Sleepover. He's being written about and we are commenting on our board ya dipsht.

This ^^^^. These are comments players are making in the Detroit paper and comments from Michigan fans on their board. Yet the Michigan fan comes here to attack people for commenting on what recruits and his own fans are saying.

 

[Nitt1300]

I remain convinced that we had/have as many kids in the portal as we do precisely because CJF is honest with them- even when it's not convenient to be honest.

Hairball seems to be the opposite.

 

[Saquon4President]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...layers-talk-best-worst-recruiting/2767203002/

Common theme from recruits that didn't pick Michigan. Feel their coaches are phony.

Marcel Lewis: I was offered by Michigan, but I don’t like Michigan. I feel some of their coaches aren’t genuine. They don’t try to actually get to know the kid and get to know his family.

Lance Dixon: Why not Michigan: I just didn’t feel that the love that they showed was real.

Marvin Grant: Why not Michigan: I didn’t feel like it was home for me, felt like the love wasn’t real.

Ruke Orhorhoro:
Why not Michigan: I didn’t like the vibe from the school or the coaches.

Rod Heard Why not Michigan: I just really never liked Michigan that much. I know some players there and it doesn’t seem like it’s fun. I think a lot of other guys from Michigan in my class kind of have the same viewpoint of Michigan too. It’s just something about it.

Wow this is eye opening. Frankly good for us- yeah maybe PSU won’t pay you and JMFF will make you go to class, but he will have your back if you do what’s asked of you, and will be straight with you. No way this BS from Harbaugh and the way Day lied to his QBs (Tate and the ex commit Dwan Mathis) won’t catch up with them in the future

 

[blion72]

I wouldn't say "great" with a 2.7 average, but it looks like he's seen the light. Again, even with that GPA, kid is more than qualified.

My solution is the instantaneous LOI. Kid commits at any time after completing his junior year of HS, colleges opens an executable LOI in an electronic portal within X days. Kid can then sign whenever he wants and has Y days (cooling off period) from the date of signing to rescind if he so chooses. School can pull it if it hasn't been signed after Z days from its creation. For those with no electronic access, a paper alternative should be available.

Coaches probably wouldn't like it, but they get paid the big bucks so they don't have to like everything.

totally agree with your idea - that would address the bailing behavior on both sides. as you say the coaches who game the system wont like it. BTW - I meant his ACT was solid, not so much the GPA. in fact the ACT would normally lead one to expect a much better GPA. I wonder what the UMich team avg ACT was - would not surprise me if it was a bit less than 30.

 

[Art]

totally agree with your idea - that would address the bailing behavior on both sides. as you say the coaches who game the system wont like it. BTW - I meant his ACT was solid, not so much the GPA. in fact the ACT would normally lead one to expect a much better GPA. I wonder what the UMich team avg ACT was - would not surprise me if it was a lot less than 30.

Fixed it for you.

 

[LionJim]

Fixed it for you.

Absolutely.