HBO --- GOT. Seriously? This is how you end the season???
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To be fair, I'm pretty sure the ending on the show is the same as in the books and at that point, the show has effectively caught up with the books (some stories notwithstanding). Going forward, I believe the show runners have had conversations with Martin about how things may or may not go, though as we've seen with diversions from the books this year, the show runners aren't bound by what's been, or will be, written (though they tend to stick fairly close to the script).
Having said that.....****SPOILERS****
I'm pretty sure Jon's savior rode into Castle Black earlier in the day. Melisandre is fond of Jon and especially 'king's blood' (fat lot of good it did Stannis), and we know from earlier seasons that Red Priests/Priestesses who worship the Lord of Light (like Thoros of Myr) have the power to bring the dead back to life. My guess is we'll see her work some magic very early next season (her vision of Bolton banners up in flames may be the result of *some other* fire related force...). Otherwise, this is truly a show for masochists.
Bad day for Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Stannis, Myrcella,and things ain't looking too great for Dany. It was nice to see Cersie (literally!) and Varys back in fold. Qyburn needs to do a Dr. Frankensteinish "It's Alive! It's Alive!..." one of these days.
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Pretty bad day for Stannis's wife Selyse and Ser Meryn Trent too. Really hard to care much about characters any more on this show, but watching Cersei get her revenge next season will be fun to watch (and sadly, they used a body double for her penance walk scene - no nudity clause and all). I think I can count on one hand the number of 'good things' that have happened in this show. At this point, it's all up to Dany and Tyrion to save the day (and I'm not sure if I want them to - this world sort of deserves the long cold winter the White Walkers would bring).
Yeah, come to think of it, some members of our BoT would fit right in on GoT, with all the evil, devious ways they go about "ruling their kingdom."
I was wondering about the body double. Her breasts seemed larger than I would have thought from seeing her in the Terminator series. But I digress. Not sure who is left anymore. Only the Lannisters and Danny for the Iron Throne? I don't want to watch another year of the Bolton's or the sand snakes of Dorne. The Starks seem rather kaput in this whole thing. I guess that next season is all about revenge, but that is what a lot of this season was about. In first couple of seasons there were too many characters and now there may be too few.
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Yeah, I'm speechless. Jon Snow was one of the last remaining characters that I like. I agree with Midnighter though. I think Melisandre brings him back. There has to be a reason she shows up at Castle Black. For the book readers. Did The Mountain come back in the books or was that added for the show?
With Jon Snow gone, the show has lost three quarters of its allure for me. He was the one character I gave a damn about.
What the hell? Killing Jon Snow, bad move if he really is dead. There just no way this is end of Jon Snow. Im tired of the Starks ( the only morally good people in the show) getting betrayed and killed by their own people. There just to much stuff surrounding him for this to happen. Who is his mother, why was the red women so interested in him and the significants between him and the Night King?
I believe the red women will bring him back or he will warg into his wolf or something. Her arrival just before Jon was murdered Julius Caesar style was no coincidence.
Is Stannis really dead? They didn't actually show his death.
Where did Sansa and Reak jump to? Where they killing themselves or saving themselves?
I believe the red women will bring him back or he will warg into his wolf or something. Her arrival just before Jon was murdered Julius Caesar style was no coincidence.
Is Stannis really dead? They didn't actually show his death.
Where did Sansa and Reak jump to? Where they killing themselves or saving themselves?
2 things: 1. Stannis kept looking behind her when Brienne approached so we don't know if he or she was killed and 2. Fire light appears in Jon Snow eyes after he lay there a sec, tells us Melisandra going to bring him back
Kit's interview with EW says that Jon Snow is dead and done forever, but what else is he going to say immediately following the finale? My money's on the Red Woman but who knows, that may be too obvious. I think he's still important to the story, but so are a lot of other dead people.
There are still Starks left with major parts of the story to tell (Bran, maybe Rickon. Benjen still maybe exists but it's highly doubtful).
You'll see real Greyjoys (not just Reek) next season which is another major family that will get involved.
You will see Sam in Old Town and the Tarly family either intersecting with Sam's story or in King's Landing to help Marge/Loras/Queen of Thorns. Sam's dad has a Valyrian steel sword.
Disappointing that Drogon wasn't with Dany when the Dothraki found her, but I'm sure he'll show up soon. Also disappointing that the other two dragons weren't released yet.
I know some people were expecting a big reveal and Fire and Blood speech by Doran in Dorne, but I think that was giving the HBO Doran too much credit, this season at least.
At the end of the day, what more could HBO really do? George R. R. Martin left books 4 and 5 with so many unfinished cliffhangers. HBO resolved some (battle of Winterfell, Stannis and his family, getting Tyrion to Mereen to rule quicker), and yes they know the general ending, but I think they were giving George one last chance to get his book out before next season before they go completely off the rails.
There are still Starks left with major parts of the story to tell (Bran, maybe Rickon. Benjen still maybe exists but it's highly doubtful).
You'll see real Greyjoys (not just Reek) next season which is another major family that will get involved.
You will see Sam in Old Town and the Tarly family either intersecting with Sam's story or in King's Landing to help Marge/Loras/Queen of Thorns. Sam's dad has a Valyrian steel sword.
Disappointing that Drogon wasn't with Dany when the Dothraki found her, but I'm sure he'll show up soon. Also disappointing that the other two dragons weren't released yet.
I know some people were expecting a big reveal and Fire and Blood speech by Doran in Dorne, but I think that was giving the HBO Doran too much credit, this season at least.
At the end of the day, what more could HBO really do? George R. R. Martin left books 4 and 5 with so many unfinished cliffhangers. HBO resolved some (battle of Winterfell, Stannis and his family, getting Tyrion to Mereen to rule quicker), and yes they know the general ending, but I think they were giving George one last chance to get his book out before next season before they go completely off the rails.
I am not going to read any details because I hope I have the balls to watch the show eventually but everytime I have even tried to watch with my friends or family I sort of freak out. Red Wedding was my introduction, I almost passed out.
The Mountain did come back in the books as Ser Robert Strong.
And put me in the camp that Jon is not dead. While Jon does get stabbed by his fellow Night's Watch men in the book (albeit for a different reason), the book is far more ambiguous at the end whether he is dead. I believe it just mentions that he's stabbed several times. And GOT (at least to me) is really a story about the children. Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Jon, Dany. Before Jon's death what did all of these children have in common? Well - they were still alive. That says a lot in this world. Robb, I believe, is the only one who has not made it - and he I don't think he was a POV character in the books. The others are.
The Night's Watch don't seem to take any suggestion of the existence of the white walkers/wights seriously at all - stretching back to the 1st season.
My feeling is that Melisandre or someone/thing else is going to bring Jon back. Remember the oath of the Night's Watch:
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
Jon will come back and not be beholden to the Night's Watch. He'll be free.
Which is why I said on TV. He's dead on the show. For now, maybe, but still dead. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview
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I hope wbcincy is okay. He hasn't posted yet....
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As to the other stuff that happened, the most interesting IMO are Stannis's humiliating defeat at Winterfell and Myrcella's death. Those are going to have big implications next year IMO. As for the Night's Watch, who cares? They're a bunch of murdering criminal bastards who deserve to die (or become White Walkers). My dream is that Melisandre lights the entire castle on fire after resurrecting Jon Snow next season. Olly too (little prick). I also have mixed feelings about Arya too. I'm glad she got her revenge, but she specifically disobeyed Jaqen to do it. Clearly, she's still quite selfish and not ready for 'big boy/girl' responsibilities. I'm not happy she got blinded per se, but she's seen enough from Jaquen to know that dude doesn't play around.
Sigh. Again, we're left with Dany and Tyrion to save the world (Does anyone really want the Iron Throne? It's pretty worthless in my opinion). If I'm Tyrion, I tell Dany to forget about Westeros and give Mereen a shot (after killing the masters). Westeros is a mess. I guess at some point we'll see Littlefinger head North to claim Winterfell with the help of the Eyre soldiers.
.As to the other stuff that happened, the most interesting IMO are Stannis's humiliating defeat at Winterfell and Myrcella's death. Those are going to have big implications next year IMO. As for the Night's Watch, who cares? They're a bunch of murdering criminal bastards who deserve to die (or become White Walkers). My dream is that Melisandre lights the entire castle on fire after resurrecting Jon Snow next season. Olly too (little prick). I also have mixed feelings about Arya too. I'm glad she got her revenge, but she specifically disobeyed Jaqen to do it. Clearly, she's still quite selfish and not ready for 'big boy/girl' responsibilities. I'm not happy she got blinded per se, but she's seen enough from Jaquen to know that dude doesn't play around.
Sigh. Again, we're left with Dany and Tyrion to save the world (Does anyone really want the Iron Throne? It's pretty worthless in my opinion). If I'm Tyrion, I tell Dany to forget about Westeros and give Mereen a shot (after killing the masters). Westeros is a mess. I guess at some point we'll see Littlefinger head North to claim Winterfell with the help of the Eyre soldiers.
In an interview on EW, the actor who plays Jon Snow states as follows:
I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.
I hope wbcincy is okay. He hasn't posted yet....
As to the other stuff that happened, the most interesting IMO are Stannis's humiliating defeat at Winterfell and Myrcella's death. Those are going to have big implications next year IMO. As for the Night's Watch, who cares? They're a bunch of murdering criminal bastards who deserve to die (or become White Walkers). My dream is that Melisandre lights the entire castle on fire after resurrecting Jon Snow next season. Olly too (little prick). I also have mixed feelings about Arya too. I'm glad she got her revenge, but she specifically disobeyed Jaqen to do it. Clearly, she's still quite selfish and not ready for 'big boy/girl' responsibilities. I'm not happy she got blinded per se, but she's seen enough from Jaquen to know that dude doesn't play around.
Sigh. Again, we're left with Dany and Tyrion to save the world (Does anyone really want the Iron Throne? It's pretty worthless in my opinion). If I'm Tyrion, I tell Dany to forget about Westeros and give Mereen a shot (after killing the masters). Westeros is a mess. I guess at some point we'll see Littlefinger head North to claim Winterfell with the help of the Eyre soldiers.
I believe Trystane is on the boat with Jaime Lannister. If that is the case, the wrath of Cersi and Jaime over the death of Myrcella will likely involve either killing Trystane or making him a prisoner. The murder of Myrcella will likely cause problems between Prince Doran and the Sand Snakes / Elleria. By killing Myrcella with Trystane on board, they have basically turned over Trystane to be the Lannister's prisoner.
An alternative thought is that maybe Jaime and Trystane will bond over Myrcella's death and plot their own revenge against the Sand Snakes with the help of Prince Doran.
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Pretty sure Kit Harrington is under contract for next season (though that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be back).
As to Jaime, I'm sort of hoping the murder of his daughter motivates him a bit. He's always been happy to be on the sidelines and never showed any real interest in ruling or war (though he's a talented fighter). Next year will be a big one for Cersei and the Lannisters I'm thinking. For the Sand Snakes, they don't have much time IMO. Once word gets back to Doran that Myrcella was poisoned, he'll have them all killed. So, they either have to kill him, or get the hell out of dodge.
Never watch GOT. There is nothing reality-based at all to keep me interested. The Vikings and Turn are my favorites.
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I think most fans of the show would agree the fantasy elements take a back seat to the characterization and political maneuvering of the characters. Lots of well developed stories about leadership and tough choices, revenge, and the 'long play' (amazing how some stories don't resolve or reveal themselves for several seasons). Having said that, I get it's sort of like telling someone you read Playboy for the articles.
I read somewhere that Actor who plays Jon Snow signed through season 7. I read it last night can't remember where.
Just pointing out a difference between TV and the books. Didn't mean to single you out. For the book readers and HBO viewers, Katelyn Stark was murdered at the Red Wedding; however, as I recall, she came back as another character later in the novels. Book 5 has her listed as dying at the Red Wedding. Am I right, that she comes back as another character, and was this captured in the HBO series?
Her resurrection as another character was not captured in the HBO series and may never be captured (as the story has gone different directions).
The actor himself is denying that this is true. Although he could be getting paid very handsomely to deny it.
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More fuel to the speculation fire - Kit Harrington did not receive a farewell gift from the show as is tradition (every character killed/booted from the show gets a farewell gift).
It was basically a bad day for every character featured in this episode. It's going to be a long wait for the next one.
But he did cut his hair and talked about upcoming movie roles. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview
Not buying it. Will help with building more suspense for the season 6 premier though.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-snow-really-dead
John Snow may in fact be dead but, I think Melisandre will save him using the power of his King's blood and he will be revived as John Targaryen, son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark.
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I know it is my heart talking and not my brain, but still see a happy ending. As the two of them hook up and rule together, uniting the kingdoms..........or Queen.
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Only issue there (and really, it's not a huge one given how 'liberal' the Targaryen's are...) if one theory holds true is that Jon Snow and Danaerys are half-siblings (same father). But, given how incestuous the Targaryen's are (far worse than the Lannister's), I don't think anyone would mind. Maybe Daario and Jorah.
....or Queen.
Right, I'm arguing semantics, but there's 0% chance he is awoken as Jon Targaryen by Mel.
Rhaegar was Dany's oldest brother, not her father. That would make Jon her bastard nephew.
