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Heated driveways

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Does anyone have one of these? A colleague has one at his house and loves it. Saves him time and back pain.


I am considering one for my house. Any feedback from anyone who has one would be appreciated.
 
I can't begin to guess the cost of heating any sort of moderate size (or bigger) driveway. I would think that if snow were the concern, paying a local kid some cash and investing in a few cheap bags of rock salt would be the economical approach. I'm only thinking of the operating cost, not the purchase and installation expense which might put the payback period into the next century.
 
Does anyone have one of these? A colleague has one at his house and loves it. Saves him time and back pain.


I am considering one for my house. Any feedback from anyone who has one would be appreciated.
No different than radiant heat in your concrete floor. No major deal to install if building new, just install your pez tubing before pouring the concrete. Be sure to put your expansion joints in to allow the concrete to crack there not in other places. Must have boiler sized appropriately, it will run continuously when needed.
 
Put in electric. You only use it to loosen the ice when clearing the drive/walks. You don't use it to clear the drive/walks. Again, to loosen the ice, not to melt/clear. You only have to turn it on for a half hour or so before you head out to clear out the droppings. Works great and not very expensive to operate if you use it like I described.
 
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Does anyone have one of these? A colleague has one at his house and loves it. Saves him time and back pain.


I am considering one for my house. Any feedback from anyone who has one would be appreciated.
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The system requires a separate boiler, not just using your hot water tank. Use multiple zones/loops in the tubing so that if one leaks or plugs the others will still work. Size of circulating pumps will vary depending on length of driveway. Expensive to install, don't know about operating costs. Biggest issue is repairing any leaks that develop (Requires cutting out concrete to get to leak and then trying to make patch invisible) so be very careful during installation not to damage tubing.

My suggestion; just get your hot women to parade down driveway, that should melt anything.
 
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Does anyone have one of these? A colleague has one at his house and loves it. Saves him time and back pain.


I am considering one for my house. Any feedback from anyone who has one would be appreciated.

Back pain? I eliminated that years ago when I bought a snow blade for my lawn tractor. Its fun as hell plowing the driveway and sidewalk and goes extremely fast. They also sell snow blower attachments if you prefer that.
 
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The system requires a separate boiler, not just using your hot water tank. Use multiple zones/loops in the tubing so that if one leaks or plugs the others will still work. Size of circulating pumps will vary depending on length of driveway. Expensive to install, don't know about operating costs. Biggest issue is repairing any leaks that develop (Requires cutting out concrete to get to leak and then trying to make patch invisible) so be very careful during installation not to damage tubing.

My suggestion; just get your hot women to parade down driveway, that should melt anything.

Do the babe thing and every boy in the neighborhood will be there keeping your driveway clear for free! Their Dad's will supervise. I call that community service.
 
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People are giving you silly answers. I will give you the correct answer. If you can afford it, by all means the answer is YES! :)
 
Does anyone have one of these? A colleague has one at his house and loves it. Saves him time and back pain.


I am considering one for my house. Any feedback from anyone who has one would be appreciated.
I suspect the well endowed young lady in your sigpic also likely experiences back pain
 
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House my folks bought in the 60's was owned by a quirky guy who, among other things, installed electric cables under the winding drive. I will tell you that it helped for a few years... if we got on top of the snow fast, we could keep it under control. Then it went down and Dad (an electrician, btw) decided it wasn't worth the effort to fix it. [Expectation was the drive needed to be dug up and he had little interest in that]

I liked it... made my shoveling easier.
 
My colleague uses electric lines under the concrete driveway. I live in south jersey and he lives in NE Philly his system has a sensor for moisture and temperature that kicks on the system when needed.

If I did this it would be a system similar to his
 
one has to wonder if its not just cheaper to pay the local guy with a pickup and blade to scrape the driveway at 5am every day it snows more than 2".
 
My colleague uses electric lines under the concrete driveway. I live in south jersey and he lives in NE Philly his system has a sensor for moisture and temperature that kicks on the system when needed.

If I did this it would be a system similar to his
I install these systems all of the time, tell me the size of the driveway and I will give you a round about estimate I will tell you now it is not cheap at all! I only work with electric and I have very limited knowledge of the glycol or hot water methods. The biggest thing is to make sure you use a reputable contractor that has installed them a lot and gives you a good warranty. its not nearly as easy as you think even the base materials have to be done perfect for it to work right.
 
I've never heard of heated driveways before but it would be pretty neat if that idea could be applied to roads and sidewalks (although I guess it would put a lot of snow removal people out of work). I can imagine that it would take a tremendous amount of energy though.

Purely from an engineering perspective I wonder if it would be more efficient to melt the snow already there or instead just keep the pavement a little above freezing so that an snow that falls on it melts right away. If you could have a sensor to tell you the temperature and another one to tell you when it's precipitating they could work automatically and you wouldn't even have to turn it on manually.
 
I install these systems all of the time, tell me the size of the driveway and I will give you a round about estimate I will tell you now it is not cheap at all! I only work with electric and I have very limited knowledge of the glycol or hot water methods. The biggest thing is to make sure you use a reputable contractor that has installed them a lot and gives you a good warranty. its not nearly as easy as you think even the base materials have to be done perfect for it to work right.
To demo the existing driveway, properly prep the base, install the electric matting and then pouring new concrete.....has to be $25+/sq ft eh?
 
To demo the existing driveway, properly prep the base, install the electric matting and then pouring new concrete.....has to be $25+/sq ft eh?

So a 10 x 20 driveway, which would only be about large enough for a car to sit on, would be 200 square feet or $5,000. And people with driveways that small probably don't have $5,000 to put towards a luxury like a heated driveway. Those with more money would be more likely to indulge in such a luxury but then again they'd likely have a much larger driveway to heat, which would cost a lot more. This isn't sounding very feasible.
 
So a 10 x 20 driveway, which would only be about large enough for a car to sit on, would be 200 square feet or $5,000. And people with driveways that small probably don't have $5,000 to put towards a luxury like a heated driveway. Those with more money would be more likely to indulge in such a luxury but then again they'd likely have a much larger driveway to heat, which would cost a lot more. This isn't sounding very feasible.
Which is why you generally only find heated driveways on multi- multi million dollar ski mansions. $25/sq ft might be low if any electrical panel mods are required to set up a new dedicated circuit.
 
Another possibility, one I've recently become aware of: South-facing driveways.

For Tuesday's storm, as I was clearing snow for my driveway, my neighbors and my father-in-law (all on the same side of the street), the folks across the street didn't have squat to clear. Now the storm was pretty much a fizzle here, not much more than 1-2 inches. But there seemed to be enough residual heat from sunny days Sat-Mon that these blacktops kept the snow from accumulating. It's the same theory that owners and would-be owners of ski resorts want a north-facing slope, but reversed. Of course, if it's really cold, that won't solve the problem, but was interesting enough to me to point out.

For the record, I have a snowblower Ro, although I shoveled Tuesday because it wasn't much snow and was windy enough it wouldn't have been dense enough not to blow all over the place, so I just pushed it to the side. If you've got the coin, do what you want for a heated parking spot. But the blower is perfect for all snows between 1 and approx 15 inches. I have no issues removing snow in those circumstances. I don't know your back condition, but mine can occasionally get tweaked, but the snowblower is still easy enough to push even when I'm already sore.
 
Another possibility, one I've recently become aware of: South-facing driveways.

For Tuesday's storm, as I was clearing snow for my driveway, my neighbors and my father-in-law (all on the same side of the street), the folks across the street didn't have squat to clear. Now the storm was pretty much a fizzle here, not much more than 1-2 inches. But there seemed to be enough residual heat from sunny days Sat-Mon that these blacktops kept the snow from accumulating. It's the same theory that owners and would-be owners of ski resorts want a north-facing slope, but reversed. Of course, if it's really cold, that won't solve the problem, but was interesting enough to me to point out.

For the record, I have a snowblower Ro, although I shoveled Tuesday because it wasn't much snow and was windy enough it wouldn't have been dense enough not to blow all over the place, so I just pushed it to the side. If you've got the coin, do what you want for a heated parking spot. But the blower is perfect for all snows between 1 and approx 15 inches. I have no issues removing snow in those circumstances. I don't know your back condition, but mine can occasionally get tweaked, but the snowblower is still easy enough to push even when I'm already sore.


If you spray the blades and discharge chute with silicone or WD 40 it ends a lot of sticking problems.
 
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I don;t know much about driveways, but we hang out with elephant folks--and a number of them have tried heated floors in their barns. Eventually the weight gets to them and they fail--or the tusks in some cases. Mind you, card do not have tusks--but they aren't light either. So I think you do have to be prepared for replacement.
 
Install a Pitt thread.

Inexpensive, heats up quickly and can be sustained that way for days. Just sayin'...
 
one has to wonder if its not just cheaper to pay the local guy with a pickup and blade to scrape the driveway at 5am every day it snows more than 2".

To you and the others that only addressed payback: Not everything one buys has to have a reasonable/good payback. Sometimes you just want luxury/convenience. It's pretty sweet if you can live where there is snow (and seasons) yet NEVER have to worry about if your driveway has snow on it.

I'm guessing that of all the people that have installed heated driveways, not one gave a crap about the payback time.
 
To you and the others that only addressed payback: Not everything one buys has to have a reasonable/good payback. Sometimes you just want luxury/convenience. It's pretty sweet if you can live where there is snow (and seasons) yet NEVER have to worry about if your driveway has snow on it.

I'm guessing that of all the people that have installed heated driveways, not one gave a crap about the payback time.

Probably true. But I've got a guy down the street, reformed addict who did time for doing investments without a license who plows my driveway when it gets an inch of snow, and shovels my sidewalks too (local ordinance is that I have to shovel my walks). Dude is like a clock (has to be at his AA meeting at 5am).

But your point is well made. Money, and how you deal with it, is fungible. Can't justify a Porche over a Malibu when the speed limit is 65 either.
 
Does anyone have one of these? A colleague has one at his house and loves it. Saves him time and back pain.


I am considering one for my house. Any feedback from anyone who has one would be appreciated.
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psuro, keeping up with the green stamp? novel idea....while visiting the article, you can also play the "pig farm" game
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redOrbitAs much of the eastern U.S. continues to recover from a massive winter storm that dumped more than three feet of snow in some places, experts at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln are touting a technological advance that could make the roads safer during future blizzards. Chris Tuan, a professor of civil engineering at the university, and his colleagues have developed a type of conductive concrete which could be used in roads, making it easier to keep them free of ice and snow, ideally preventing incidents like the one which left some motorists stranded on the Pennsylvania turnpike for more than 30 hours recently. READ MORE
 
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Sometimes in life, especially as engineers, we over think things and miss the obvious, more simple solution.

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Probably true. But I've got a guy down the street, reformed addict who did time for doing investments without a license who plows my driveway when it gets an inch of snow, and shovels my sidewalks too (local ordinance is that I have to shovel my walks). Dude is like a clock (has to be at his AA meeting at 5am).

But your point is well made. Money, and how you deal with it, is fungible. Can't justify a Porche over a Malibu when the speed limit is 65 either.

Money is fungible. The heated driveway is more for my benefit than in terms of payback. Considering my life/lifestyle, pretty much everything beyond basic necessities is a luxury. I don't need most of the things I have, including the number of rooms in my house (which is an average home). At the age of 51, I have decided this will be my home, and don't see/anticipate changes to my life - so why not have some things that benefit me?

And Obli- I can justify the right Porsche over the wrong Malibu, just as I can justify the right Malibu over the wrong Porsche.
 
Money is fungible. The heated driveway is more for my benefit than in terms of payback. Considering my life/lifestyle, pretty much everything beyond basic necessities is a luxury. I don't need most of the things I have, including the number of rooms in my house (which is an average home). At the age of 51, I have decided this will be my home, and don't see/anticipate changes to my life - so why not have some things that benefit me?

And Obli- I can justify the right Porsche over the wrong Malibu, just as I can justify the right Malibu over the wrong Porsche.

The real question is, can you afford "her"? And, as a friend of mine always says about Bill Clinton, "why would you want to be president if you can't get laid?"
 
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