Herbie and McDonough tried to convince the audience that the Buckeyes and Irish relied very little on transfers

[sss]

Amid Herbie's unbridled joy with all things Rose Bowl (the weather, the skyline, etc. etc.), he also brought up the graphic that the OSU defense was all homegrown and the talk of the $20 million dollar roster was overblown. While it is true that only 2 starters on D are transfers (and yes Herbie, the one from two years ago still counts), Fowler correctly pointed out that leaves more money for the offensive transfers, of which there are a bunch.
Then McDonough yesterday pointed out that ND used the fewest amount of transfer snaps of the teams in the CFP. Well, those snaps seemed to matter yesterday (see link). Is there some initiative to try and convince fans that money isn't buying playoff teams? Just like in baseball, sure an exception will slip through every once in a while, but there's reason the Dodgers and Yankees were battling for the World Series.

Buoyed by transfers, Irish knock UGA out of CFP

Notre Dame got starring performances from transfers such as QB Riley Leonard in Thursday's 23-10 win over Georgia in a CFP quarterfinal, giving the Irish one of their biggest victories in decades.

www.espn.com

 

[LandoComando]

Herbie has talked all year about how the Buckeyes use the portal. Downs being the big on
Not sure the point here...what's the issue with having players from the portal? Thats what you're supposed to do
See Harris

 

[PSU Soupy]

Amid Herbie's unbridled joy with all things Rose Bowl (the weather, the skyline, etc. etc.), he also brought up the graphic that the OSU defense was all homegrown and the talk of the $20 million dollar roster was overblown. While it is true that only 2 starters on D are transfers (and yes Herbie, the one from two years ago still counts), Fowler correctly pointed out that leaves more money for the offensive transfers, of which there are a bunch.
Then McDonough yesterday pointed out that ND used the fewest amount of transfer snaps of the teams in the CFP. Well, those snaps seemed to matter yesterday (see link). Is there some initiative to try and convince fans that money isn't buying playoff teams? Just like in baseball, sure an exception will slip through every once in a while, but there's reason the Dodgers and Yankees were battling for the World Series.

Buoyed by transfers, Irish knock UGA out of CFP

Notre Dame got starring performances from transfers such as QB Riley Leonard in Thursday's 23-10 win over Georgia in a CFP quarterfinal, giving the Irish one of their biggest victories in decades.

www.espn.com

No question that the talking heads are trying to tap down the impression that NIL is not impacting the team and the tOSU defense is all home grown talent. ND goes out and gets the best 5th Year QB in the portal two years in a row and tOSU gets the best Safety/Hybrid LB player in the portal...... I'm not complaining, just stating the obvious that spending money will increase your chances to put out a better team. Other than Clemson all of the playoff teams did get better through the portal....PSU with CB help and a tremendous pick up at OT.

 

[LandoComando]

No question that the talking heads are trying to tap down the impression that NIL is not impacting the team and the tOSU defense is all home grown talent. ND goes out and gets the best 5th QB in the portal two years in a row and tOSU gets the best Safety/Hybrid LB player in the portal...... I'm not complaining, just stating the obvious that spending money will increase your chances to put out a better team. Other than Clemson all of the playoff teams did get better through the portal....PSU with CB help and a tremendous pick up at OT.

Right...we needed Rucci for the playoff run. He's not Downs but a key.

People can hate the portal all they want but its a part of the game. Allar is the only QB left that didn't transfer. Leonard was at Duke, Ewers at Ohio State and Howard at Kansas State. That's not even discussing ASU building their team via the portal or Oregon having Gabriel for year 9.

Time to embrace the portal and NIL. There's no other option. Clemson now knows that.

 

[bvillebaron]

Herbie has talked all year about how the Buckeyes use the portal. Downs being the big on
Not sure the point here...what's the issue with having players from the portal? Thats what you're supposed to do
See Harris

Let me break it down for you in terms even you can understand; the posters’ point was the shill Herbie was trying to claim that OSU didn’t rely on portal transfers when that was not accurate not that there is anything wrong with doing so.

 

[wilbury]

I saw that too. Herbie will die on that hill.

 

[Lion_Backer]

No question that the talking heads are trying to tap down the impression that NIL is not impacting the team and the tOSU defense is all home grown talent. ND goes out and gets the best 5th QB in the portal two years in a row and tOSU gets the best Safety/Hybrid LB player in the portal...... I'm not complaining, just stating the obvious that spending money will increase your chances to put out a better team. Other than Clemson all of the playoff teams did get better through the portal....PSU with CB help and a tremendous pick up at OT.

Do teams like ND and OSU have a smaller %'ge of their roster comprised from portal transfers than a majority of other teams in college football? There is no question that they are strategically using the portal to fill voids in recruiting due to injury, development, etc.

Living in the Pittsburgh area and having friends who are both alumni and fans of Pitt, the overturn of their roster (as well as other teams who are in a similar situation) is really quite significant from year to year.

The roster turnover opportunities provided by the portal has made for some entertaining football. Particularly for the casual fan.

But I have to ask, if your team is essentially comprised of a new group of players every year other than a small nucleus returning, how will that impact the fan base of that team long term?

My opinion appears to be in the minority but if you recruit and retain your players very well there is no need to hit the portal as hard as we see and hear that some teams do.

 

[diontechristmas]

They won’t talk about what’s really going on. Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson etc are no longer dominating as we’re all playing by the same rules. For years those programs were paying players and also doing things like over signing and “processing” players.

I don’t like Notre Dame at all but I venture to guess they were also among the “cleanest” major programs. I think Texas generally was too, especially compared to the likes of the SEC and Oklahoma (also curios that the Sooners also suck all of a sudden).

Just a coincidence that PSU, Texas and Notre Dame are all thriving when we’re playing by the same rules as the SEC powers?

 

[PSU Soupy]

Do teams like ND and OSU have a smaller %'ge of their roster comprised from portal transfers than a majority of other teams in college football? There is no question that they are strategically using the portal to fill voids in recruiting due to injury, development, etc.

Living in the Pittsburgh area and having friends who are both alumni and fans of Pitt, the overturn of their roster (as well as other teams who are in a similar situation) is really quite significant from year to year.

The roster turnover opportunities provided by the portal has made for some entertaining football. Particularly for the casual fan.

But I have to ask, if your team is essentially comprised of a new group of players every year other than a small nucleus returning, how will that impact the fan base of that team long term?

My opinion appears to be in the minority but if you recruit and retain your players very well there is no need to hit the portal as hard as we see and hear that some teams do.

I actually think that you need to organically grow your roster to be successful with NIL added in for areas in which that you miss, or a player that is just too good to pass up.

I equate it to recruiting.....it will be hard for Nebraska to get back to their glory days since there is not a lot of highschool football players in Nebraska that can help build a Playoff Team. Nebraska had relied upon getting players from So Cal, Texas, Oklahoma and everywhere else. You can do that but it is a hard path. LSU, UGa need to recruit their home target rich base areas well......go get a WR or QB or OL from Florida, South Carolina, Maryland whereever to help their recruiting. Then assess the team and if you need a cornerback, so get one in the portal. The Colorado experiment has not really worked. Turning your roster over every year does not buy committment from the players.

So the top teams tOSU.....1) Recruit the best players from Ohio (check) 2) Go get around 10 players from everywhere else who are potential superstars. (check) 3) Add in a QB, LB, Corner whatever you are missing and some extra depth in key positions (check).

 

[Lion_Backer]

I actually think that you need to organically grow your roster to be successful with NIL added in for areas in which that you miss, or a player that is just too good to pass up.

I equate it to recruiting.....it will be hard for Nebraska to get back to their glory days since there is not a lot of highschool football players in Nebraska that can help build a Playoff Team. Nebraska had relied upon getting players from So Cal, Texas, Oklahoma and everywhere else. You can do that but it is a hard path. LSU, UGa need to recruit their home target rich base areas well......go get a WR or QB or OL from Floriday, South Carolina, Maryland whereever to help their recruiting. Then assess the team and if you need a cornerback, so get one in the portal. The Colorado experiment has not really worked. Turning your roster over every year does not buy committment from the players.

So the top teams tOSU.....1) Recruit the best players from Ohio (check) 2) Go get around 10 players from everywhere else who are potential superstars. (check) 3) Add in a QB, LB, Corner whatever you are missing and some extra depth in key positions (check).

On a lesser scale, the process that you described was employed successfully by Boise St.

If you go through Boise St's recruiting ranking on Rivals over the past 5 years, they will have to significantly improve to just reach the rank of a program like Pitt. Yet because they are able to get the majority of their team to remain together (plus effective use of the portal) they were able to have a very good / great season.

 

[LandoComando]

Let me break it down for you in terms even you can understand; the posters’ point was the shill Herbie was trying to claim that OSU didn’t rely on portal transfers when that was not accurate not that there is anything wrong with doing so.

Oh we're incorrectly bashing Herbie
Thanks for proving my point

 

[LionDeNittany]

Let me break it down for you in terms even you can understand; the posters’ point was the shill Herbie was trying to claim that OSU didn’t rely on portal transfers when that was not accurate not that there is anything wrong with doing so.

Lando just spewing nonsens in this thread. It's amazing how he missed the topic... not

 

[LandoComando]

Lando just spewing nonsens in this thread. It's amazing how he missed the topic... not

Didn't miss the topic at all
It was an unjust attack on Herbie per usual due to bias and incompetence which is your specialty. At no point had Herbie downplayed the portal. He simply corrects people when they misstate something. As I do

 

[IANit]

No question that the talking heads are trying to tap down the impression that NIL is not impacting the team and the tOSU defense is all home grown talent. ND goes out and gets the best 5th Year QB in the portal two years in a row and tOSU gets the best Safety/Hybrid LB player in the portal...... I'm not complaining, just stating the obvious that spending money will increase your chances to put out a better team. Other than Clemson all of the playoff teams did get better through the portal....PSU with CB help and a tremendous pick up at OT.

Rucci? Thought his move was more because he wasn't happy with playing time at Wisconsin. Plus, he's a legacy. I'm sure NIL helped us keep players who committed out of high school, but we are more of a traditional program built through high school recruiting than anyone left in the playoff.

 

[LionDeNittany]

Didn't miss the topic at all
It was an unjust attack on Herbie per usual due to bias and incompetence which is your specialty. At no point had Herbie downplayed the portal. He simply corrects people when they misstate something. As I do

Again you missed the point. Try reading the OP again.

 

[LandoComando]

Again you missed the point. Try reading the OP again.

I didn't. Read it yourself.
Bashing Herbie incorrectly
Complaining about the portal
Actually bitching

 

[sss]

Let me break it down for you in terms even you can understand; the posters’ point was the shill Herbie was trying to claim that OSU didn’t rely on portal transfers when that was not accurate not that there is anything wrong with doing so.

I was going to do it, but figured it wasn't worth it. I've seen the way these type of things delve into a pissing contest. I made no statement on the transfer portal. I think PSU has used it wisely. I doubt we would be here without Fleming (USC game) or Rucci, not to mention our two CBs.

 

[LandoComando]

I was going to do it, but figured it wasn't worth it. i've seen the way these type of thigs delve into a pissing contest. I made no statement on the transfer portal. I think PSU has used it wisely. I doubt we would be here without Fleming (USC game) or Rucci, not to mention our two CBs.

Read your last two sentences
Ohio State didn't use it wisely?
No team would be alive in the playoff if they didn't.

 

[LionDeNittany]

I was going to do it, but figured it wasn't worth it. I've seen the way these type of things delve into a pissing contest. I made no statement on the transfer portal. I think PSU has used it wisely. I doubt we would be here without Fleming (USC game) or Rucci, not to mention our two CBs.

Must suck to have completely missed the topic and yet think 100% you didn't. Even when three people are saying you did.

 

[jjw165]

Don’t forget about Lane and the SEC is just different bogus narrative.

 

[LandoComando]

Must suck to have completely missed the topic and yet think 100% you didn't. Even when three people are saying you did.

Again I didn't--and @sss knows exactly what I'm saying is correct hence can't articulate the point
He brought up the Yankees and Dodgers as spending money ruins the game because those teams will always win
The worst thing is when people, like @sss , make a post then refuse to own the intent

 

[Lion84]

Herbie will always spin everything to show the Bucknuts in a better light - they bought a lot of their team as many have done and that was the point - trying to say they didn't is just Herbie being the homer he always has been.

 

[SUPERTODD]

They won’t talk about what’s really going on. Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson etc are no longer dominating as we’re all playing by the same rules. For years those programs were paying players and also doing things like over signing and “processing” players.

I don’t like Notre Dame at all but I venture to guess they were also among the “cleanest” major programs. I think Texas generally was too, especially compared to the likes of the SEC and Oklahoma (also curios that the Sooners also suck all of a sudden).

Just a coincidence that PSU, Texas and Notre Dame are all thriving when we’re playing by the same rules as the SEC powers?

There was never anything clean about Notre Dame. They offered money just like OSU, Michigan, and the SEC. They were just too arrogant to admit it. A whole book was written on the dirty business Lou Holtz engaged in when he was coaching there.

 

[diontechristmas]

There was never anything clean about Notre Dame. They offered money just like OSU, Michigan, and the SEC. They were just too arrogant to admit it. A whole book was written on the dirty business Lou Holtz engaged in when he was coaching there.

Fair, but Lou has been gone from ND for nearly 30 years.

 

[GregInPitt]

Yep, any team that relies on transfer QB's is relying "heavily", not "very little", on transfers.....

 

[GregInPitt]

They won’t talk about what’s really going on. Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Clemson etc are no longer dominating as we’re all playing by the same rules. For years those programs were paying players and also doing things like over signing and “processing” players.

I don’t like Notre Dame at all but I venture to guess they were also among the “cleanest” major programs. I think Texas generally was too, especially compared to the likes of the SEC and Oklahoma (also curios that the Sooners also suck all of a sudden).

Just a coincidence that PSU, Texas and Notre Dame are all thriving when we’re playing by the same rules as the SEC powers?

Which is why after not winning anything during the first half of his coaching career Sabin magically became a top coach. No, he just found a place he could cheat the most..... The SEC.

 

[knickslions]

Don’t forget about Lane and the SEC is just different bogus narrative.

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lol quit crying you lost to Florida Kentucky and LSU. They are are no better than mid tier big ten schools in fact LSU lost to the big tens 9th place team

 

[mgkpsu]

Don’t forget about Lane and the SEC is just different bogus narrative.

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He is such an insufferable dickfore.

 

[sss]

Again I didn't--and @sss knows exactly what I'm saying is correct hence can't articulate the point
He brought up the Yankees and Dodgers as spending money ruins the game because those teams will always win
The worst thing is when people, like @sss , make a post then refuse to own the intent

Nah, everyone on here but you seems to get the point.

 

[LandoComando]

Nah, everyone on here but you seems to get the point.

They didn't though--the first post you like said exactly what I said--you were attacking Herbie (predictably and incorrectly) when he stated a fact (as you admitted in your first post) then you went on to compare it to MLB and teams buys titles. I don't know why you can't own that. There's nothing wrong with that POV but that's exactly what you did, People just don't like me so they making up nonsense.

Explain the MLB comparison if it's not about buying a title....

 

[Still in State College]

He is such an insufferable dickfore.

All he is doing is pushing the conference narrative like all the coaches do. It is part of the reason why people think that Kentucky, Mississippi State, Auburn etc. are great programs and not any different from the bottom B1G teams. They don't want people to start thinking that Florida and Minnesota are essentially the same team. So you have to get out there and sell.

 

[Zouavelion5]

Herbie will always spin everything to show the Bucknuts in a better light - they bought a lot of their team as many have done and that was the point - trying to say they didn't is just Herbie being the homer he always has been.

Herbie also failed to mention that OSU spent a significant amount to keep players..especially on defense

 

[LandoComando]

All he is doing is pushing the conference narrative like all the coaches do. It is part of the reason why people think that Kentucky, Mississippi State, Auburn etc. are great programs and not any different from the bottom B1G teams. They don't want people to start thinking that Florida and Minnesota are essentially the same team. So you have to get out there and sell.

Minnesota and Florida, right now , are essentially the same team

 

[Still in State College]

Minnesota and Florida, right now , are essentially the same team

Right but as a representative of the SEC (Lane Kiffin) it is his job to prop up the SEC as different and more difficult. No reason to get upset by it like some. Just like JF should be talking about how tough the B1G is.

 

[LandoComando]

Right but as a representative of the SEC (Lane Kiffin) it is his job to prop up the SEC as different and more difficult. No reason to get upset by it like some. Just like JF should be talking about how tough the B1G is.

I agree with that--I think the SEC and Big Ten should be selling themselves big time and don't blame them at all for hyping up the conference. Just wish they'd fully embrace joining forces

 

[tboyer]

I found Herbie's incessant chatter about Ohio State the most annoying part of that game, which I otherwise enjoyed because I thought Oregon was ripe for plucking.

But he's right about this Ohio State team, a lot less portal-focused than some others. Ohio State used the portal to get their starting QB and TB. The Ohio State D is almost all home grown (with the exception of Downs who was a huge acquisition for them.)

If this final four is any indication, wholesale portal-based teams are not the way to reach the highest levels of college football. Traditional recruiting and player development are still the foundation.

 

[voltz99]

Herbie has talked all year about how the Buckeyes use the portal. Downs being the big on
Not sure the point here...what's the issue with having players from the portal? Thats what you're supposed to do
See Harris

Yet he is now saying the opposite.

 

[Big 0]

ND and duhO$U have been great at recruiting, where now having a massive NIL war chest helps greatly in attracting the best talent. They both were pretty good at under the table benefits before NIL. They have the core talent to develop, but are also good at filling current starter talent holes will top players from other teams via the NIL-transfer portal complex.

And it’s been known for years, at least in the town where I grew up, that ND was providing things to recruits that other schools weren’t. It was a dirty little not-so-secret because of the whispered rumors. ND was not that saintly, and used their position as a “pious” religious school as a cover. I’m not going to get into it, but this was way back as the early 70’s.

 

[PSU Soupy]

As long as the ND Coaches went to confession pertaining to their recruiting violations in the 1970s and 1980s they were fine.

 

[Still in State College]

I agree with that--I think the SEC and Big Ten should be selling themselves big time and don't blame them at all for hyping up the conference. Just wish they'd fully embrace joining forces

Interesting exercise for you. You are forming an NCAA NFL League. 24 teams broken up into 2 conferences with 4 divisions each. Play the same style of schedule as NFL but keep it at 10 games. 4 division, 3 in a conference and 3 from a division in the other conference. Each Division Champ makes the playoffs. Max of 4 games to win it all so 14 total for two teams. The rub is you lose two home games, but you potentially gain it back in the playoffs. I looked at the Top 24 in average attendance over the last 5 years. That does leave some big ones out, but I came up with this:

Atlantic

Clemson Georgia
Florida Virginia Tech
South Carolina Florida State

South

LSU Alabama
Auburn Tennessee
Texas A&M Texas

Mid West

Michigan Notre Dame
Ohio State Penn State
Arkansas Michigan State

West

Oklahoma USC
Washington Iowa
Nebraska Wisconsin

I don't like the two west divisions, but these are teams I got based upon attendance.

Any thoughts?